What Does This Mean?

[Q.E.D.]

"1 When the LORD thy God hath cut off the nations, whose land the LORD thy God giveth thee, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their cities, and in their houses;"(Deut 19:1)

Sounds like God takes from some and gives it to others. Can this act of God be construed to be "passive thievery"?

On a side note. . . Did God take America from the Native Americans and give it to Bible believing Europeans?

Riddle me this. . .

Q.E.D.

[LifeHiscost]

Reason one: This is the Creator's world. Any who have homesteaded the land are only relinquishing it to its' rightful Owner, Who, I would think, has authority over His own creation. If the previous landholders had given allegiance to the land's rightful owner, or if they had been willing to share, recognizing sovereignty, God would have been more than happy to find accommodations for all.

God blesses!

[Gibs]

Ex 19:3 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;

Ex 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

Ex 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

Ex 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Ex 19:7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[LifeHiscost]

Ex 19:3 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;

Ex 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

Ex 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

Ex 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Ex 19:7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

God blesses!

[Robert]

This is the Creator's world.

He gave dominion to Adam and he forfeited it to Lucifer, who is the god of this world.

Luke 5:5 Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said to Him, "All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. 7 Therefore, if You will worship before me, all will be Yours." 8 And Jesus answered and said to him, "Get behind Me, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.' "

Note, Jesus didn't challenge what the Devil stated....

[Gibs]

Satan kinda lied there too don't we think? The father of lies and that is really not true for it was for Adam. It is only delivered into Satan's hand just for his reign of sin. He usurped it, is taking possesion by use, his use to run it in sin, only allowed by God to run it's course till it comes to it's ultimate show of where it would go. It still belongs to God and He will give it unto He wants and it will be given to the redeemed recreated brand new again. Satan actually wrested it from Adam, he overcame him. God had in the first place put it in his hands for Him and Eve amd then their family that would be his and Eve's posterity.

One thing we know, it is about to be violently taken back from ole Satan and he is to be ashes upon it.

Too we know Satan and his angels only are allowed to live to play out the reign of sin. If Adam and Eve hadn't of fallen to him he and his would have been gone long ago.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Q.E.D.]

Reason one: This is the Creator's world. Any who have homesteaded the land are only relinquishing it to its' rightful Owner, Who, I would think, has authority over His own creation.

[Q.E.D.]

Ex 19:3 And Moses went up unto God, and the LORD called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of Israel;

Ex 19:4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.

Ex 19:5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:

Ex 19:6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

Ex 19:7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

Sounds like God owns the planet earth to me. . .

Q.E.D.

[Q.E.D.]

Originally Posted By: LifeHiscost

This is the Creator's world.

He gave dominion to Adam and he forfeited it to Lucifer, who is the god of this world.

Luke 5:5 Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. 6 And the devil said to Him, "All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish. 7 Therefore, if You will worship before me, all will be Yours." 8 And Jesus answered and said to him, "Get behind Me, Satan! For it is written, 'You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only you shall serve.' "

Note, Jesus didn't challenge what the Devil stated....

Adam gave away his dominion of planet earth to Satan but God retains complete ownership of planet earth.

Satan may claim to be the god of this world but Jehovah is the God of the Universe which trumps Satan's claim.

Q.E.D.

[Gerr]

Here are some thoughts to consider:

ESV | ‎Ge 15:15 As for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried in a good old age. ‎16 And they shall come back here in the fourth generation, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”

ESV | ‎Da 2:21 He changes times and seasons; he removes kings and sets up kings;

ESV | ‎Da 4:13 “I saw in the visions of my head as I lay in bed, and behold, a watcher, a holy one, came down from heaven. ‎14 He proclaimed aloud and said thus: ‘Chop down the tree and lop off its branches, strip off its leaves and scatter its fruit. Let the beasts flee from under it and the birds from its branches....17 The sentence is by the decree of the watchers, the decision by the word of the holy ones, to the end that the living may know that the Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will and sets over it the lowliest of men.’

ESV | ‎Da 5:18 O king, the Most High God gave Nebuchadnezzar your father kingship and greatness and glory and majesty. ..‎‎

20 But when his heart was lifted up and his spirit was hardened so that he dealt proudly, he was brought down from his kingly throne, and his glory was taken from him.

‎‎ESV | ‎Da 5:25 And this is the writing that was inscribed: MENE, MENE, TEKEL, and PARSIN. ‎26 This is the interpretation of the matter: MENE, God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end; ‎27 TEKEL, you have been weighed in the balances and found wanting; ‎28 PERES, your kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians.”

From these passages, it seems to me that God puts nations & individuals on probation. When they fail to carry out His purposes, they pass from the main stage of history and another takes their place. God bore with the wickedness of the Canaanites for 400 years. He bore with literal Israel for over a thousand years. As in the parable, He came looking for fruit but did not find it. So the vineyard was given to someone else. How long God bears with people before the judgment descends on them is what a lot of people forget when they look at how the Canaanites were exterminated. Even then, those that did not resist like the Rahab and her family and the Gibeonites were spared.

[LifeHiscost]

Quote:

Note, Jesus didn't challenge what the Devil stated....

He didn't have to. Jesus knew the Word.

"He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies."John 8:44 NASB

God blesses!

[Robert]

Adam gave away his dominion of planet earth to Satan but God retains complete ownership of planet earth.

God "gave" Adam the earth....God isn't an "Indian giver". He is moral...He is ethical...He doesn't lie and He doesn't want this wasted, polluted, sin sick world back.

[Q.E.D.]

Here are some thoughts to consider:

ESV | ‎Ge 15:15 As for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried in a good old age. ‎16 And they shall come back here in the fourth generation, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”

ESV | ‎Da 2:21 He changes times and seasons; he removes kings and sets up kings;

ESV | ‎Da 4:13 “I saw in the visions of my head as I lay in bed, and behold, a watcher, a holy one, came down from heaven. ‎14 He proclaimed aloud and said thus: ‘Chop down the tree and lop off its branches, strip off its leaves and scatter its fruit. Let the beasts flee from under it and the birds from its branches....17 The sentence is by the decree of the watchers, the decision by the word of the holy ones, to the end that the living may know that the Most High rules the kingdom of men and gives it to whom he will and sets over it the lowliest of men.’

ESV | ‎Da 5:18 O king, the Most High God gave Nebuchadnezzar your father kingship and greatness and glory and majesty. ..‎‎

20 But when his heart was lifted up and his spirit was hardened so that he dealt proudly, he was brought down from his kingly throne, and his glory was taken from him.

‎‎ESV | ‎Da 5:25 And this is the writing that was inscribed: MENE, MENE, TEKEL, and PARSIN. ‎26 This is the interpretation of the matter: MENE, God has numbered the days of your kingdom and brought it to an end; ‎27 TEKEL, you have been weighed in the balances and found wanting; ‎28 PERES, your kingdom is divided and given to the Medes and Persians.”

From these passages, it seems to me that God puts nations & individuals on probation. When they fail to carry out His purposes, they pass from the main stage of history and another takes their place. God bore with the wickedness of the Canaanites for 400 years. He bore with literal Israel for over a thousand years. As in the parable, He came looking for fruit but did not find it. So the vineyard was given to someone else. How long God bears with people before the judgment descends on them is what a lot of people forget when they look at how the Canaanites were exterminated. Even then, those that did not resist like the Rahab and her family and the Gibeonites were spared.

Amen

Q.E.D.

[LifeHiscost]

Originally Posted By: Q.E.D.

Adam gave away his dominion of planet earth to Satan but God retains complete ownership of planet earth.

God "gave" Adam the earth....God isn't an "Indian giver". He is moral...He is ethical...He doesn't lie and He doesn't want this wasted, polluted, sin sick world back.

"And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come."

Luke 19:13 KJV

Of course the instruction is for those who joy in giving heed to His Word. As for the others,

"But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us."Luke 19:14 KJV

God blesses!

[Gordon1]

...God isn't an "Indian giver". He is moral...He is ethical...He doesn't lie and He doesn't want this wasted, polluted, sin sick world back.

Almost all the "Indians" - Native North Americans - I have met are more honest, direct and kinder than the churchmen I know.

Natives didn't want this world wasted and polluted either.

"Indian giver" is a racist term, here implying "Indians" are immoral, unethical liars.

"Indian giver" belongs to the genocidal vocabulary used by churches of Canada to eradicate native people:

• The United Church of Canada (1925 union of Methodist, Congregationalist and most Presbyterian churches of Canada)

• The Anglican Church in Canada (Church of England)

• The Roman Catholic Church in Canada

[Gibs]

Satan will be brought to ashes here on the earth he wrested from Adam and then God restores it to better than before.

He restores all men also who will come as he has outlined and made the way for redemption back to the image of Himself again.

He restores both that saw utter corruption. Sister White writes what God showed her of this and it is worth reading.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Robert]

MY apologies....It's a term I grew up with as a kid. Maybe you have a better term?

[Robert]

Satan will be brought to ashes here on the earth he wrested from Adam and then God restores it to better than before.

No, you've got it wrong. He doesn't restore it; He reduces this world to nothing. Then He recreates a new earth and a new heaven.

[LifeHiscost]

Quote:

No, you've got it wrong. He doesn't restore it; He reduces this world to nothing. Then He recreates a new earth and a new heaven.

I'm just wondering how something that isn't any more is

recreated. The word isn't found in the Scriptures and it is biblical that God creates new heavens and earth.

" “For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind."Isaiah 65:17 NKJV

Almost the same is said of Jerusalem. However both promises are found only in the Old Testament which eliminates those promises to those who don't or won't accept that venue for present Truth.

OTOH one could say the same thing about the promises in the New Testament.

God blesses!

[olger]

"Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne...."

[LifeHiscost]

"Jesus said to them, “I tell you the truth, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne...."

"Do not lie to one another, since you laid aside the old self with its evil practices, and have put on the new self who is being renewed to a true knowledge according to the image of the One who created him— a renewal in which there is no distinction between Greek and Jew, circumcised and uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave and freeman, but Christ is all, and in all.

So, as those who have been chosen of God, holy and beloved, put on a heart of compassion, kindness, humility, gentleness and patience; bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you."Colossians 3:9-13 NASB

God blesses!

[Robert]

I'm just wondering how something that isn't any more is recreated. The word isn't found in the Scriptures and it is biblical that God creates new heavens and earth.

" “For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind."Isaiah 65:17 NKJV

"I create new"....Therefore, the old is gone, right?

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved,....13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells

[Gibs]

God doesn't waste anything, unlike man He is faithful down even to the count of the hairs on your head. He will recycle the elements of the earth and it will have a very old apparent age when made new just as it did back about 6,000 yrs ago, the dating of the elements show it had an apparent great age.

"“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away.” [Revelation 21:1.] The fire that consumes the wicked purifies the earth. Every trace of the curse is swept away. No eternally burning hell will keep before the ransomed the fearful consequences of sin. {GC88 673.4}

The Holy City is brought down we know at the end of the 1,000 yrs after the 1'st resurrection and Satan and his are brought to ashes and the earth is made anew and we live on it eternally. He makes it new right before the eyes of all the redeemed in the city while it sits on earth is what I see.

If he were going to disolve this one why did he bring down the Holy City before He made an earth to set it on?

He recreats man too, to a brand new creature!

"This is the message that you are to bear to the souls perishing in their sins. If they will come to Christ in repentance, he will receive them, and will recreate them in his image." {RH, January 11, 1912 par. 15}

"The feet of the wicked will never desecrate the earth made new. Fire will come down from God out of heaven and devour them--burn them up root and branch. Satan is the root, and his children are the branches. {Mar 351.1}

The same fire from God that consumed the wicked purified the whole earth. The broken, ragged mountains melted with fervent heat, the atmosphere also, and all the stubble was consumed. Then our inheritance opened before us, glorious and beautiful, and we inherited the whole earth made new. {Mar 351.2}

"I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away." Revelation 21:1. The fire that consumes the wicked purifies the earth. Every trace of the curse is swept away. No eternally burning hell will keep before the ransomed the fearful consequences of sin." {Mar 351.3}

The elements are still all here, just like you burn up something, you caused rapid oxidation and rapid change in it's elements, God can change them back instantly.

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[Gibs]

2Pe 3:10 through 3:12 is the recycling God does of bringing all back, the fire of God is not man's fire. You all may see it as you wish but to me God is able to do this in a very short time.

We'll see it done from the Holy City I do believe!

1Jo 4:4 ¶ Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

[LifeHiscost]

Originally Posted By: LifeHiscost

" “For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former shall not be remembered or come to mind."Isaiah 65:17 NKJV

"I create new"....Therefore, the old is gone, right?

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved,....13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells

I was trying trying to show the distinction between re-create

and create anew. Perhaps a moot point in the eyes of some.

"Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new." 2 Corinthians 5:17 NKJV

I believe that process begins with the acceptance of Jesus, as I can give personal witness in my own life, and continues on into the Kingdom of Heaven and is a work entirely made possible as a result of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Our part is only of submission to that which God is willing to do for the humble suppliant

"Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

Luke 17:21 KJV

God blesses!