Moderators lazarus Posted September 24, 2012 Moderators Posted September 24, 2012 I'm going to an ordination on Sabbath. It's for a long time pastoral colleague. Great pastor and friend. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Members phkrause Posted September 24, 2012 Members Posted September 24, 2012 I'm going to an ordination on Sabbath. It's for a long time pastoral colleague. Great pastor and friend. have a good time Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Moderators lazarus Posted September 24, 2012 Author Moderators Posted September 24, 2012 Here's what makes it "post-worthy". The candidate is a woman. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
olger Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Moderators lazarus Posted September 25, 2012 Author Moderators Posted September 25, 2012 Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
olger Posted September 25, 2012 Posted September 25, 2012 Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Moderators lazarus Posted October 5, 2012 Author Moderators Posted October 5, 2012 Ordination went well. Very spiritual and uplifting experience. I certainly felt the presence of the Lord was there. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Woody Posted October 5, 2012 Posted October 5, 2012 Ordination went well. Very spiritual and uplifting experience. I certainly felt the presence of the Lord was there. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Â
doug yowell Posted October 5, 2012 Posted October 5, 2012 Ordination went well. Very spiritual and uplifting experience. I certainly felt the presence of the Lord was there. If WO is NOT of the Lord, that's pretty scarey. Quote
Woody Posted October 5, 2012 Posted October 5, 2012 Originally Posted By: lazarus Ordination went well. Very spiritual and uplifting experience. I certainly felt the presence of the Lord was there. If WO is NOT of the Lord, that's pretty scarey. IF WO was not of the Lord - how could the Lord have been present? Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology. Â
Moderators lazarus Posted October 5, 2012 Author Moderators Posted October 5, 2012 Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
doug yowell Posted October 5, 2012 Posted October 5, 2012 Originally Posted By: doug yowell I note your use of the word if. Are you unsure? [/quote'] You used the words "I felt". I am very unsure of your feelings when comparing them with God's Word. One of the two of us is wrong on this. I'm going with my natural reading of the Bible and reasoning from that. My reasoning processes MAY be wrong but I try to keep my feelings out of it. If faith demanded a 100% impossibility that I could be wrong it (faith) wouldn't be needed. Quote
doug yowell Posted October 5, 2012 Posted October 5, 2012 IF WO was not of the Lord - how could the Lord have been present? Exactly. Quote
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted October 5, 2012 Administrators Posted October 5, 2012 Kind of reminds me of the reaction of observers at Pentecost that didn't recognize the presence of the Lord in that place and assumed an entirely different "spirit" as responsible... And then there were the doubters willfully rejecting the Spirit by which Jesus cast out demons. Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted October 5, 2012 Administrators Posted October 5, 2012 ... You used the words "I felt". I am very unsure of your feelings when comparing them with God's Word. One of the two of us is wrong on this. I'm going with my natural reading of the Bible and reasoning from that. My reasoning processes MAY be wrong but I try to keep my feelings out of it. If faith demanded a 100% impossibility that I could be wrong it (faith) wouldn't be needed. Have you ever sensed the presence of the Lord? Is feeling or emotion ever a part of worship for you or a part of your relationship with the Lord? Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Moderators lazarus Posted October 5, 2012 Author Moderators Posted October 5, 2012 I note your use of the word if. Are you unsure? You used the words "I felt". I am very unsure of your feelings when comparing them with God's Word. . How could you possibly be sure of my feelings since you didn't feel them. Is it possible for God's presence to attend an event that he does not sanction? Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Moderators lazarus Posted October 5, 2012 Author Moderators Posted October 5, 2012 Originally Posted By: Woody IF WO was not of the Lord - how could the Lord have been present? Exactly. Of course he can be present. What? Do you think that God is so mad that he says. "Oh, I'm not coming then, because you didn't listen to me." The children of Israel wanted a king. God said no. They insisted. God warned them and then blessed the new king. He was there and he blessed. We need to be more mature in our understand of who God is and what he does. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
doug yowell Posted October 6, 2012 Posted October 6, 2012 Kind of reminds me of the reaction of observers at Pentecost that didn't recognize the presence of the Lord in that place and assumed an entirely different "spirit" as responsible... Quote
doug yowell Posted October 6, 2012 Posted October 6, 2012 Have you ever sensed the presence of the Lord? Quote
doug yowell Posted October 6, 2012 Posted October 6, 2012 I thought I just said that? Is there an echo in here? So unless you were being less than forthcoming I should be able to assume that the feelings you revealed to us were legitimately felt. Quote: Is it possible for God's presence to attend an event that he does not sanction? That would be strange. If He went to an event He didn't sanction why would He let anyone know He was there? Wouldn't they assume that His presence was an affirmation of something He did sanction. This situation is getting more bizzare every minute. Quote
doug yowell Posted October 6, 2012 Posted October 6, 2012 Of course he can be present. What? Do you think that God is so mad that he says. "Oh, I'm not coming then, because you didn't listen to me." Quote
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted October 6, 2012 Administrators Posted October 6, 2012 Originally Posted By: Tom Wetmore Have you ever sensed the presence of the Lord? Yes. Quote: Is feeling or emotion ever a part of worship for you or a part of your relationship with the Lord? Yes. So, if you posted about the occasions when you experienced the above, situations where I was not also present would I be able to, with absolute certainty, be able to affirm or deny your testimony that you felt the presence of the Lord? How do you know that your experience of emotion that you felt was genuinely reflective of a real relationship with the Lord and not something else? Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
doug yowell Posted October 8, 2012 Posted October 8, 2012 So, if you posted about the occasions when you experienced the above, situations where I was not also present would I be able to, with absolute certainty, be able to affirm or deny your testimony that you felt the presence of the Lord? Quote
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted October 8, 2012 Administrators Posted October 8, 2012 Yes, we can all be deceived. That applies to you as much as me, or Laz or whomever you wish. That should make one very cautious about knee-jerk reactions of condemnation to what someone else claims to have experienced. Ones reaction may well be as much a deception as the subjective perception of the observation of, or testimony of another's experience. That is my point. You really cannot judge what Laz has testified to if you were not there or knowing his mind and heart. Nor can you be so certain that your interpretation and perception is not falsely biased. Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
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