What you’ll see in the rebellion

[OzarkWoman]

What you’ll see in the rebellion

Written By: Bob - Dec• 28•12

Let me explain, gun grabbers, how your confiscatory fantasy plays out. Let us imagine for a moment that a sweeping gun control bill similar to the one currently suggested is passed by the House and Senate, and signed into law by a contemptuous President.

Perhaps 50-100 million firearms currently owned by law-abiding citizens will become contraband with the stroke of a pen. Citizens will either register their firearms, or turn them in to agents of the federal government, or risk becoming criminals themselves. Faced with this choice, millions will indeed register their arms. Perhaps as many will claim they’ve sold their arms, or had them stolen. Suppose that as many as 200-250 million weapons of other types will go unregistered.

Tens of millions of Americans will refuse to comply with an order that is clearly a violation of the explicit intent of the Second Amendment. Among the most ardent opposing these measures will be military veterans, active duty servicemen, and local law enforcement officers. Many of these individuals will refuse to carry out what they view as Constitutionally illegal orders. Perhaps 40-50 million citizens will view such a law as treason. Perhaps ten percent of those, 4-5 million, would support a rebellion in some way, and maybe 40,000-100,000 Americans will form small independently-functioning active resistance cells, or become lone-wolves.

They will be leaderless, stateless, difficult to track, and considering the number of military veterans that would likely be among their number, extremely skilled at sabotage, assassination, and ambush.

After a number of carefully-planned, highly-publicized, and successful raids by the government, one or more will invariably end “badly.” Whether innocents are gunned down, a city block is burned to ash, or especially fierce resistance leads to a disastrously failed raid doesn’t particularly matter. What matters is that when illusion of the government’s invincibility and infallibility is broken, the hunters will become the hunted.

Unnamed citizens and federal agents will be the first to die, and they will die by the dozens and maybe hundreds, but famous politicians will soon join them in a spate of revenge killings, many of which will go unsolved.

Ironically, while the gun grab was intended to keep citizens from preserving their liberties with medium-powered weapons, it completely ignored the longer-ranged rifles perfect for shooting at ranges far beyond what a security detail can protect, and suppressed .22LR weapons proven deadly in urban sniping in Europe and Asia.

While the Secret Service will be able to protect the President in the White House, he will not dare leave his gilded cage except in carefully controlled circumstances. Even then he will be forced to move like a criminal. He will never be seen outdoors in public again. Not in this country.

The 535 members of the House and Senate in both parties that allowed such a law to pass would largely be on their own; the Secret Service is too small to protect all of them and their families, the Capitol Police too unskilled, and competent private security not particularly interested in working against their own best interests at any price. The elites will be steadily whittled down, and if they can not be reached directly, the targets will become their staffers, spouses, children, and grandchildren. Grandstanding media figures loyal to the regime would die in droves, executed as enemies of the Republic.

You can expect congressional staffs to disintegrate with just a few shootings, and expect elected officials themselves to resign well before a quarter of their number are eliminated, leaving us with a boxed-in executive, his cabinet loyalists trapped in the same win, die, or flee the country circumstance, military regime loyalists, and whatever State Governors who desire to risk their necks as well.

Here, the President will doubtlessly order the activation of National Guard units and the regular military to impose martial law, setting the largest and most powerful military in the world against its own people. Unfortunately, the tighter the President clinches his tyrannical fist, the more rebels he makes.

Military commands and federal agencies will be whittled down as servicemen and agents will desert or defect. Some may leave as individuals, others may join the Rebellion in squad and larger-sized units with all their weapons, tactics, skills, and insider intelligence. The regime will be unable to trust its own people, and because they cannot trust them, they will lose more in a vicious cycle of collapse.

Some of these defectors will be true “operators,” with the skills and background to turn ragtag militia cells into the kind of forces that decimate loyalist troops, allowing them no rest and no respite, striking them when they are away from their most potent weapons. Military vehicles are formidable, but they are thirsty beasts, in terms of fuel, ammo, time, and maintenance. Tanks and bombers are formidable only when they have gas, guns, and can be maintained. In a war without a front, logistics are incredibly easy to destroy, and mechanics and supply clerks are not particularly adept at defending themselves.

Eventually, the government will turn upon itself. The President will be captured or perhaps killed by his own protectors. A dictatorship will form in the vacuum.

If we’re lucky, the United States of America, or whatever amalgam results, will again try to rebuild. If we’re very lucky, the victors will reinstate the Constitution as the law of the land. Just as likely though, we’ll face fractious civil wars fought over issues we’ve not begun to fathom, and a much diminished state or states will result, perhaps guided by foreign interests.

It will not be pretty. There will be no “winners,” and perhaps hundreds of thousands to millions of dead.

Yet, this is the future we face if the power-mad among us are not soundly defeated at the ballot box before they affect more “change” than we, the People, are willing to surrender to would-be tyrants.

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[OzarkWoman]

I am both a prepper and a dependent, sad to say, trapped in Social Security. This is an excellent article right on target. Uncle Sam considers us livestock, and wants all of us corraled eating only what he shovels in our faces, completely dependent upon the state for everything the way a butterball turkey is to be debeaked with wings clipped, medicated, fed, inseminated, decapitated, plucked, and butchered. Yes, my cupboards are full, as is my fridge. I've stocked up on toilet paper and some first aid items. My shotgun is ready with ammo. But I'm getting old and I'm no Rambo. I live in an apartment and have poor eyesight. But I believe in being prepared enough not to panic when the dollar crashes and the banks close, when stores are looted by desperate mobs and normally decent people become thieves. All my life I have been punished for independent thinking, but I say "Live free or die trying!" I've had my clock cleaned several times, but I'm still trying. I hope many more of us are also preparing for the day of reckoning with the pirates, our own government.

[Guest]

Interesting article.

[Tom Wetmore]

I am both a prepper and a dependent, sad to say, trapped in Social Security. This is an excellent article right on target. Uncle Sam considers us livestock, and wants all of us corraled eating only what he shovels in our faces, completely dependent upon the state for everything the way a butterball turkey is to be debeaked with wings clipped, medicated, fed, inseminated, decapitated, plucked, and butchered. Yes, my cupboards are full, as is my fridge. I've stocked up on toilet paper and some first aid items. My shotgun is ready with ammo. But I'm getting old and I'm no Rambo. I live in an apartment and have poor eyesight. But I believe in being prepared enough not to panic when the dollar crashes and the banks close, when stores are looted by desperate mobs and normally decent people become thieves. All my life I have been punished for independent thinking, but I say "Live free or die trying!" I've had my clock cleaned several times, but I'm still trying. I hope many more of us are also preparing for the day of reckoning with the pirates, our own government.

And it is the belief that the government is our enemy that destroys this country.

[phkrause]

[And it is the belief that the government is our enemy that destroys this country.

Exactly

[OzarkWoman]

Originally Posted By: Tom Wetmore

[And it is the belief that the government is our enemy that destroys this country.

Exactly

Except that the way has been for the last few decades, it is most definitely our enemy.

[phkrause]

OZARKWOMEN

yes more government less freedom

dgrimm60

Correct dgrimm, but it doesn't matter if we have more or less government, we will be asked to go against our religious principals at some point in the near future. According to the Bible and EGW. When asked to do so, we will not be rebelling against Government, we will be standing up for God and his word, the Bible. We will not be bearing arms to fight anyone, just as the Jews during the holocaust and Christians during the dark ages, we will be persecuted for our beliefs in the Sabbath, Bible and God.

[bonnie]

Correct dgrimm, but it doesn't matter if we have more or less government, we will be asked to go against our religious principals at some point in the near future. According to the Bible and EGW. When asked to do so, we will not be rebelling against Government, we will be standing up for God and his word, the Bible. We will not be bearing arms to fight anyone, just as the Jews during the holocaust and Christians during the dark ages, we will be persecuted for our beliefs in the Sabbath, Bible and God.

Standing up for God will be seen as rebelling against trhe government.More and more government with more control and power will definitely be a factor

[bonnie]

BONNIE

that is a good point

dgrimm60

How is the Sunday law going to be passed without the aid and willingness of the government?

When religious persecution begins,will the government be our friend and protector?

As fragile as it is now and as imperfect as it is,our constitution is the only thing between us and the force the government will eventually use.

I don't believe the Sunday law could be passed today by the government. Slowly but surely we are being conditioned to accept that government knows best and that very government will work hand in hand to implement the destruction of our freedoms

[Neil D]

I am both a prepper and a dependent, sad to say, trapped in Social Security. This is an excellent article right on target. Uncle Sam considers us livestock, and wants all of us corraled eating only what he shovels in our faces, completely dependent upon the state for everything the way a butterball turkey is to be debeaked with wings clipped, medicated, fed, inseminated, decapitated, plucked, and butchered. Yes, my cupboards are full, as is my fridge. I've stocked up on toilet paper and some first aid items. My shotgun is ready with ammo. But I'm getting old and I'm no Rambo. I live in an apartment and have poor eyesight. But I believe in being prepared enough not to panic when the dollar crashes and the banks close, when stores are looted by desperate mobs and normally decent people become thieves. All my life I have been punished for independent thinking, but I say "Live free or die trying!" I've had my clock cleaned several times, but I'm still trying. I hope many more of us are also preparing for the day of reckoning with the pirates, our own government.

Wow......

[LifeHiscost]

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will work hand in hand to implement the destruction of our freedoms

Perhaps "is working" is a better description although I'll give credit to the many who are lending an effort to maintain the only constitution that ever existed keeping its' citizens free for over 200 years. And that without enforced religion.

God blesses!

[bonnie]

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will work hand in hand to implement the destruction of our freedoms

Perhaps "is working" is a better description although I'll give credit to the many who are lending an effort to maintain the only constitution that ever existed keeping its' citizens free for over 200 years. And that without enforced religion.

God blesses!

It amazes me how many SDA's see the constitution as a outdated papar. Yet I see more and more that come from a non-religious background and thinking that are appalled at what they see happening.

[Ted Oplinger]

Actually, Tom, it is the belief government cannot be trusted that built this nation into a mighty republic. It is the belief that government can be trusted to solve all our ills that destroys this once mighty republic. Major distinction.

The belief that government can be trusted to solve all our ills requires the complete surrender of every right contained within the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, in the name of security and fairness.

The result is now being seen as anything but secure and fair, and our government is now not only abnegating on protecting the rights of the people (as is the function of properly instituted government, as seen by the Founding Fathers), but it now seeks to undermine those very rights to eliminate any dissent or independent living aside from what the government decides to dispense.

People don't have to believe the government is the enemy. The government itself makes that call by either shepherding and safeguarding those rights, or finding ways to subvert those rights to its own ends.

To tell the truth...the US government has declared its animosity to the states and the people since the Civil War. It has simply taken 150 years for the the fruit to finally reveal its true nature and character in a movement that began shortly after the turn of century...the 1900's, that is.

Blessings

[lazarus]

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will work hand in hand to implement the destruction of our freedoms

Perhaps "is working" is a better description although I'll give credit to the many who are lending an effort to maintain the only constitution that ever existed keeping its' citizens free for over 200 years. And that without enforced religion.

God blesses!

American citizens have not been free for 200 years. Only about 50 or so. The federal government came to their aid to enforce the constitution.

American liberty is largely a myth.

[OzarkWoman]

American citizens have not been free for 200 years. Only about 50 or so. The federal government came to their aid to enforce the constitution.

American liberty is largely a myth.

You are joking, right? I hope so because I almost fell off my chait laughing so hard at your reply. It is the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard. Mind you, I hold a Masters in American History. I can only say that you are, indeed, wrong to the very core. Have fun trying to get others to believe that and if they do then they must be drinling from the same cup as you.

[lazarus]

I'm serious.

When did all Americans get the right to vote?

When did all Americans get equal rights?

[OzarkWoman]

I'm serious.

When did all Americans get the right to vote?

When did all Americans get equal rights?

Oh please!!! You can do better than that. In fact, the past 50 years has seen our rights and freedoms eroded. It just happening at a faster rate now is all. BTW, maybe if we only allowed people to vote who actually had skin in the game we could get back to a decent country. yeah, I know that you will take it as racist but it has nothing to do with race. If one is living completely off the government, not talking about ss, since those people already paid into it, then it wouldn't hurt for them to not vote since they seem to vote for the freebies and not really what is best for the country. Add to that, in my opinion, if people can't answer a few questions correctly about their government then they should not be allowed to vote either. I believe that if people can't name their Vice president, senators and representatives and know what the three branches of government and know what they are there for then they should not be able to vote. Knowing who won the latest American Idol does not count as being a good citizen.

Try again. I already said that I am very conservative and I am old enough to have seen the loss of many rights and freedoms over the decades.

BTW, are you an American?

[lazarus]

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In fact, the past 50 years has seen our rights and freedoms eroded.

I don't understand what you are saying? Are you saying that African American's rights have been eroded in the last 50 years?

Is giving Americans the right to vote eroding their freedom? Does allowing Americans to drink from any water fountain mean less freedom.

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BTW, maybe if we only allowed people to vote who actually had skin in the game we could get back to a decent country.

Skin in the game? What does that mean? Some American idioms I don't get.

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Try again. I already said that I am very conservative and I am old enough to have seen the loss of many rights and freedoms over the decades.

Please tell me what freedoms you have lost.

[Neil D]

I am an American....

And I too would like to know what we've lost in freedom in the last 50 years.....as I have seen some freedoms grow....

[OzarkWoman]

This is not about race or ethnicity, no matter how badly libs want it to be. I will not fall into the liberal race trap.

[lazarus]

This is not about race or ethnicity, no matter how badly libs want it to be. I will not fall into the liberal race trap.

You mean you can't or won't explain what you mean. What freedoms have you lost over the last 50 years? A conservative should be able to answer that.

[OzarkWoman]

Law Enforcement authorities may now conduct secret searches and wiretaps in your home or office without showing “probable cause.”

Americans can now be jailed without a formal charge & without the right to confront the witnesses or evidence against them. American citizens are now being held in military jails without charge and without a clear path of appeal for their indefinite confinement.

Government agents may now monitor the First Amendmentprotected

activities of religious and political institutions, and then infiltrate these groups with no suspicion of criminal

activity. This is a return to domestic spying on law-abiding

religious and political groups.

The Government may now prosecute librarians or keepers

of any other records if they reveal that the government

requested information on their clients or members in the

course of an investigation. It has become a crime for these

individuals to try to safeguard your privacy or to tell you

that you are under investigation.

PARENTS ARE FEARFUL OF DISCIPLINING THEIR YOUNG.

And this to top off what I posted. Of course there are tons more but I am not going to waste my time listing the hundreds and hundreds of rights and freedoms we have lost. What I posted above just happened since 2001.

Tax his land,

Tax his wage,

Tax his bed in which he lays.

Tax his tractor,

Tax his mule,

Teach him taxes is the rule.

Tax his cow,

Tax his goat,

Tax his pants,

Tax his coat.

Tax his ties,

Tax his shirts,

Tax his work,

Tax his dirt.

Tax his tobacco,

Tax his drink,

Tax him if he tries to think.

Tax his booze,

Tax his beers,

If he cries,

Tax his tears.

Tax his bills,

Tax his gas,

Tax his notes,

Tax his cash.

Tax him good and let him know

That after taxes, he has no dough.

If he hollers,

Tax him more,

Tax him until he's good and sore.

Tax his coffin, Tax his grave,

Tax the sod in which he lays.

Put these words upon his tomb,

"Taxes drove me to my doom!"

And when he's gone,

We won't relax,

We'll still be after the inheritance TAX !!

Accounts Receivable Tax

Building Permit Tax

CDL License Tax

Cigarette Tax

Corporate Income Tax

Dog License Tax

Federal Income Tax

Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)

Fishing License Tax

Food License Tax

Fuel Permit Tax

Gasoline Tax

Hunting License Tax

Inheritance Tax

Inventory Tax

IRS Interest Charges (tax on top of tax),

IRS Penalties (tax on topof tax),

Liquor Tax,

Luxury Tax,

Marriage License Tax,

Medicare Tax,

Property Tax,

Real Estate Tax,

Service charge taxes,

Social Security Tax,

Road Usage Tax (Truckers),

Sales Taxes,

Recreational Vehicle Tax,

School Tax,

State Income Tax,

State Unemployment Tax (SUTA),

Telephone Federal Excise Tax,

Telephone Federal Universal Service Fee Tax,

Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Tax,

Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax, Telephone Recurring and Non-recurring Charges Tax,

TelephoneState and Local Tax,

Telephone Usage Charge Tax,

Utility Tax,

Vehicle License Registration Tax,

Vehicle Sales Tax,

Watercraft Registration Tax,

Well Permit Tax,

Workers Compensation Tax.

Not one of these taxes existed 100 years ago and there was prosperity, absolutely no national debt, the largest middle class in the world and Mom stayed home to raise the kids.

And now you can stop asking stupid questions.

[lazarus]

Law Enforcement authorities may now conduct secret searches and wiretaps in your home or office without showing “probable cause.”

Americans can now be jailed without a formal charge & without the right to confront the witnesses or evidence against them. American citizens are now being held in military jails without charge and without a clear path of appeal for their indefinite confinement.

Government agents may now monitor the First Amendmentprotected

activities of religious and political institutions, and then infiltrate these groups with no suspicion of criminal

activity. This is a return to domestic spying on law-abiding

religious and political groups.

An number of different groups of minorities have been subject these actions throughout the history of the USA. GWB bought in a lot of those provisions for the general populous. I fault Obama for continuing these practices but in general there is more liberty for Americans than there used to be.

[bonnie]

I'm serious.

When did all Americans get the right to vote?

When did all Americans get equal rights?

I know you cannot let go of the slavery issue. Or the fact that not all had the same protections.

This is still by most standards a young country.When this country was settled and our constitution was created I think most rational people did and do understand that a federal law cannot erase years of culture and hatreds. For our founding fathers it was a spectacular document,paving the way for future freedoms.

Nothing,not even your continued pounding on the issue of slavery or racism can change that. In general there have been more freedoms here and more advantageous.

Yes,it is an imperfect country, it has committed honest mistakes and some not so honest.Some took to long to correct and some in the eyes of those like yourself cannot and will not be forgiven or put behind you. You may find that a rewarding way to live and if so,I wish you success. But I guess I don't think you have the right to demand perfection from a country or people till you,yourself can fill those perfect shoes.

Have you figured out yet what you expect to right wrongs of the past?

[OzarkWoman]

I fault Obama for continuing these practices but in general there is more liberty for Americans than there used to be.

Sorry but that is complete and utter BS and nothing but.