Ted Oplinger Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Great video. No shots fired, but the pistol did its work. It is this kind of self-defense that happens each day, every day, and usually goes unreported. Blessings, Quote "As iron sharpens iron, so also does one man sharpen another" - Proverbs 27:17 "The offense of the cross is that the cross is a confession of human frailty and sin and of inability to do any good thing. To take the cross of Christ means to depend solely on Him for everything, and this is the abasement of all human pride. Men love to fancy themselves independent. But let the cross be preached, let it be made known that in man dwells no good thing and that all must be received as a gift, and straightway someone is offended." Ellet J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings "Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway" - John Wayne "The person who pays an ounce of principle for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated" - Ronald Reagan
cricket Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Why didn't that young woman a) call the police when someone kept knocking and wouldn't show their face at the door, have a better lock on her door, c) have an alarm system installed, or d) have a guard dog in her home? Is it better to just own a gun and hope you can get to it before the intruder tries to open your door? (The door was unlocked in the video.) Quote
Ted Oplinger Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Why didn't that young woman a) call the police when someone kept knocking and wouldn't show their face at the door, have a better lock on her door, c) have an alarm system installed, or d) have a guard dog in her home? Is it better to just own a gun and hope you can get to it before the intruder tries to open your door? (The door was unlocked in the video.) Actually, the door was locked. The perp tried the door first before forcing it. Most ordinary in-knob locks are easily forced. Gauging by the time spent in the video, the average police response time would have placed them at the scene well after the intruder had broken in and done whatever he wished with the young woman. I would wager he wasn't there to take her purse... To wit... 1) Police do not respond to pesky knocking calls. They are busy responding to emergencies and crime scenes. Until her situation becomes a crime scene, they will not respond. Likewise, the US courts have ruled police have no obligation to protect people from eminent crime, only to respond and investigate once the criminal has committed the crime(s). Once the intruder kicked her door in, she had a viable call to make. By then, though, it is too late for the police to get there "on time". 2) Rental housing - most single women live in rental housing. The lease may not allow additional/better locks installed. Landlords sometimes reserve the right to enter a leased apartment for inspections and tours for prospective tenants. The most secure locks (inside-keyed deadbolts) do not allow this. 3) Alarm system - see #2 about leasing. It may not be an available option. 4) Guard dog - again, see #2. Plus, she may be allergic to dogs. Allow me to add 5) The perp had her staked out. The woman had identifiable life patterns he was using to his advantage, something we usually don't think about. I can say this: this is a scene that happens all too often today. A crime happened - breaking and entry, but her use of the pistol to keep the crime list from including a sexual assault, burglary, and/or murder. Blessings, Quote "As iron sharpens iron, so also does one man sharpen another" - Proverbs 27:17 "The offense of the cross is that the cross is a confession of human frailty and sin and of inability to do any good thing. To take the cross of Christ means to depend solely on Him for everything, and this is the abasement of all human pride. Men love to fancy themselves independent. But let the cross be preached, let it be made known that in man dwells no good thing and that all must be received as a gift, and straightway someone is offended." Ellet J. Waggoner, The Glad Tidings "Courage is being scared to death - and saddling up anyway" - John Wayne "The person who pays an ounce of principle for a pound of popularity gets badly cheated" - Ronald Reagan
Members phkrause Posted January 25, 2013 Members Posted January 25, 2013 Great video of someone that had a glue as to what to do with her weapon. And was very responsible at the same time. She had her weapon locked up in a safe place, where others could not have access to it. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
Members phkrause Posted January 25, 2013 Members Posted January 25, 2013 Why didn't that young woman a) call the police when someone kept knocking and wouldn't show their face at the door, have a better lock on her door, c) have an alarm system installed, or d) have a guard dog in her home? Is it better to just own a gun and hope you can get to it before the intruder tries to open your door? (The door was unlocked in the video.) Good points cricket. For (a) I would agree 100%, but you have to remember that sometimes it takes them a long time to arrive, and sometimes depending on the neighborhood that might not show up at all. I should know, it happened in NYC all the time. ( I definitely agree a better lock than just a little turn lock like that, but I would image it was for the purpose of this video, must homes and apartments have better locks. She should've had a dead bolt type lock. ©An alarm system would be good to, but again, your relying on the police to get there in a certain amount of time. and (d) If she's living in an apartment or even a condo, they might have rules as to a dog or any pet. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
cricket Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 I am well aware of the rules for apartments; and am well aware of the allergy situation that many people have (I've never met anyone who has as many allergens as my husband). The video seemed a little over-the-top, and the point I was really trying to make was that owning a gun is not the end-all-be-all for safety and security. There are other measures we ALL can take to help ensure a little more security for ourselves--and some of these measures could have been used by the woman in the video. police, fire, ambulance on speed dial alarm systems (even something as simple as hitting the panic button on a car alarm can scare off would-be perps) neighbors varying daily routines mace, gun, baseball bat, knife moving to a safer apartment (second floor, deadbolt lock, alarm capable, safer neighborhood, closer to police station) martial arts video surveillance security lighting warning signs motion sensors glass-break detectors neighborhood watch wide angle viewer (shows more than what's in that little peep hole) light/radio/television timers Quote
bonnie Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 I am well aware of the rules for apartments; and am well aware of the allergy situation that many people have (I've never met anyone who has as many allergens as my husband). Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
bonnie Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Just a curiosity question.If I am willing to cave someone's head in with a bat or stab them in self defense,why shouldn't I be able to shoot them in self defense? Or is it the word shoot and gun that disturbs people but not the act? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Guest Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Why didn't that young woman a) call the police when someone kept knocking and wouldn't show their face at the door, have a better lock on her door, c) have an alarm system installed, or d) have a guard dog in her home? Is it better to just own a gun and hope you can get to it before the intruder tries to open your door? (The door was unlocked in the video.) Why are you so dead set against someone being able to protect themselves? That doesn't make any sense at all to me. The very idea, "Hey, let's disarm all the honest people" (for truly, those are the only ones you will ever be able to disarm) just blows my mind. Quote
cricket Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Have you ever waited for an police/ambulance in an emergency situation? The last time I called in en emergency took over 8 minutes.A guard dog must be confined before police enter or they very likely will shoot it.While waiting for them to arrive a confined guard dog is useless. Quote
cricket Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Just a curiosity question.If I am willing to cave someone's head in with a bat or stab them in self defense,why shouldn't I be able to shoot them in self defense?Or is it the word shoot and gun that disturbs people but not the act? Not really sure why people keep thinking I don't think shooting someone with a gun is okay when done in self defense. I'm just trying to say that there are other measures we can take to make ourselves a little safer and that we shouldn't forget to take those measures too. Quote
cricket Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Why are you so dead set against someone being able to protect themselves? That doesn't make any sense at all to me. The very idea, "Hey, let's disarm all the honest people" (for truly, those are the only ones you will ever be able to disarm) just blows my mind. I am not dead set against someone being able to protect themselves. Rather, I'm just pointing out that there are other measures we can (and should) take as well. Still don't know why people think I'm saying to disarm gun owners. Quote
Guest Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 I don't think anyone is saying that there is anything wrong with those other measures. We're talking about gun rights because that is what our gov't is trying to take away from us. When they start trying to take away our baseball bat rights, or our dog rights, then you can bet the farm, that those will be the topics that are front and center. Quote
cricket Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 So, a post in Townhall showing a video of a young woman who takes no self-defense measures other than using a gun can't really be discussed. Instead, we're to only discuss whether or not we should have guns? Quote
Guest Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Our beloved gov't has made this topic front and center. I surely did not want it to be this way. So if you now want to start talking about baseball bats and dogs, that's fine I guess, but what's the point? It's not the topic at hand. If the gov't banned cars, would you just let it go, and start talking about boats and bicycles? Nobody is knocking those other measures. But when you say we need to focus now on bats and dogs, you are saying in a round about way, that I should be willing to relinquish my gun rights. Or at least that's the way it comes off. And to that I say NO! Which is the whole point of the video being about a gun and not a dog. Quote
cricket Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Okay, so...change the topic. We're NOT talking about the video. We're talking about gun ownership. Quote
Guest Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 The video is about gun ownership. What else could you possibly take from it? Quote
cricket Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Gun ownership is fine. Using a gun for protection is fine. For me and my house, it will be a measure of last resort--not first resort. Still it is a resort we are able to take, and are willing to take if it comes to it. We'll still pray for safety. We'll still lock our doors. We'll still turn on our house alarm. We'll still have the police on speed dial. We'll still have motion sensing lights at the perimeter of our house. We'll still have our alarm signs posted in the yard. We'll still retreat to a safer place in the home. We'll still sound our car alarm. We'll still call the police. We'll still spray pepper mace. We'll still swing with a bat. And we'll still aim our guns at anyone who makes it that far. Quote
cricket Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 The video is about gun ownership. What else could you possibly take from it? The video, in my opinion, is about using a gun as a first response. And I, personally, find that a bit over the top. Quote
Guest Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 I still do all those things too. But those measures are not under attack yet. :) Quote
Guest Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Originally Posted By: RLH The video is about gun ownership. What else could you possibly take from it? The video, in my opinion, is about using a gun as a first response. And I, personally, find that a bit over the top. Call it what you will. I know that if you choose to use pepper spray when you could have used your gun, you run a high risk of getting yourself killed. You don't get two chances, just the one. Which is why I will use my best weapon first. If it jams, or if I get nervous and drop it, then I will grab my baseball bat. If someone is trying to kill me, or invading MY home, my thought is NOT "How can I make it more fair for them? I don't want to go over the top here." Quote
cricket Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 For me, personally, there is nothing so worthwhile (save the people) in my home as to kill someone else--even an intruder. I am willing to kill someone else to save my husband, my children and anyone else in my home. But if it means only saving myself, well, I'll leave the killing to someone else. I've got a Maker to meet. Quote
Guest Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 Why did you let him kill you Richard? "Well, you know, I didn't want to be seen as over the top." Quote
Guest Posted January 25, 2013 Posted January 25, 2013 I've got a Maker to meet. Self defense is not murder. But I can respect your view, if you would rather let them take you out. I can understand it even. I think. Quote
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