What are Prostestants ProtestinG?

[Gus Foster]

Many today profess to be Christians and claim Protestantism as their religion. I wonder what they are protesting? Here on my desk I have a list of 84 reformers that protested against the Holy Roman Empire. From 1310, Dante Alighieri, through Wycliffe 1379, Huss 1412, Luther 1522, Tyndale 1550, Crammer 1582, Newton 1754, Wesley and many more they all had one common thrust; that the antichrist, the little horn of Dan 7, the man of sin, the abomination of desolation, the Rev 1st beast, Rev 17 Babylon, beast and harlot were all one of the same in the papacy.

Since 1800 when Napoleon appointed his three brothers the head of separate Knight's of Malta groups there have been the church's representatives in the driver's seat of every secret organization, every church, every government organization, (such as CIA, CFR, Bildeburgers, Knights of different clans, just about any other one in existance) all military and industrial complexes, and above all every economic force globally.

The New Holy Roman Empire cannot control all nations as long as some are under the freedom of constitutions and republics; thus they will dismissed or at the very least greatly truncated. Any Bible casually observed in Rev 13, 17 & 18 will show this picture plainly.

In many 'christian' homes I see the Left Behind series, the Hobit and Lord of the Rings all on the same book self; deservedly so. It occurs to me that most do not have any idea how deep this invasion goes to win the mind and soul for Satan.

As far as the harlots are concerned they are again magnified by those professing to be Protestants although they not only worship on Rome's sabbath, but consort with them in every way which nullifies any claim to be a follower of Christ and His gospel which is our only hope.

The last heart breaker is that most of the earnest Christians of today feel that their witness is just to love and talk of peace and mercy and not of the wrath of the Lamb and His trumpet warnings and plagues which are even now descending as did the flood of old.

I will have a part 2 of this next---where I need help is for you to copy this and send it to your friends, facebook account or any other way to share this to the world.

[M. T. Cross]

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In many 'christian' homes I see the Left Behind series, the Hobbit and Lord of the Rings all on the same book self; deservedly so. It occurs to me that most do not have any idea how deep this invasion goes to win the mind and soul for Satan.

What?

Oh do tell!

[Windsor]

The commonality of those three books is that they portray events which are completely fictitious. The problem is that one of them pretends to be based on events which are soon to happen whilst the other two do not. Unfortunately there is a planned movie reboot of Left Behind in an attempt to brainwash another generation with false doctrine.

[M. T. Cross]

Except that those movies are based heavily on Nordic/Icelandic lore - not Christian lore.

Are you saying that Ragnarok is happening soon?

[Gus Foster]

The condition of today's Protestantism validated by some H-isms: (Part 2)

Hegelism- Hegelian dialectic - reality is rationalization, absolution is thought ascension where human consciousness becomes reality.

Hegemonyism- domination and/or influence over all states and individuals - status of last day global church.

Hedonism- pursuit of pleasure as chief activity of life - status of individualism over all - omits Christ as head!

Hedralism- having multiple sides or faces - church adapts to any culture and form -- form of Chameleon voodoo.

Hecticism- excitement, turmoil, haste -- no regard for work of Holy Spirit -- cares of world prevail.

Heckleism- to confuse, annoy, taunt, question truth- wait 'til we see the new inquisition.

Hekatism- worship of earth, moon, underworld, sorcery - adapted in many church practices, even in some sunrise services.

Hebraism- Hebrew idiom which became Khazarism - form of Samaritanism - idea-ism/ idealism formed by Babylonian priesthood, and standards - Torah replaced by Talmud - a complete exit from God's covenant given to Abraham and David.

Heim-dallism- the rainbow bridge to a form of nirvana, to an infinity of happiness and pleasure.

There are more, but these will suffice:

--right is might and moral.

--morality is a concept and not a standard.

--sex with anyone or anything is not immoral.

--cells not only reproduce and replicate in kind but also adapt and evolve.

--natural diet and lifestyle that produces a strong immune system is replaced by pharmaceuticals and vaccinations.

--worship simply requires momentary pauses.

--spiritual discernment is only literal interpretation.

--no God/god, no creation -- man can be or become his own god -- refer to Jeroboam in 1 Cron 11, worship goats and bulls in North & South--

compare king of North & South in Dan 11--all religion (North) against all secular (South) and North absorbs South plus all merchants, etc. compare John 5 & 9, the healed at pool of North and South- the truth of Jesus against all --and today, against modern religion, the goats, bulls etc.

--the Jesuit counter-reformation who put the anti-christ in the first or last prophetic week of church history and now the accepted protestant view.

--the reformers were misinformed and misinterpreted Scripture; they suffered without cause, they were just wrong; we now embrace Jesuit studies.

--John, Peter and Paul's testimony of the last day events have been circumvented by Jesuit studies. No every eye shall see, no violent earthquake, no islands and heavens removed; just secret rapture and Christ quietly appearing on earth to rule the wicked for a week.

--mind control with little resistance.

--revolutionary spirit is docile, just fill immediate needs and pander.

Ask yourself:

How much time to I give to Jesus, my Creator, Lord and Savior>

Do I pray often daily and study His word more than I seek entertainment?

Do I share all He has given me with others?

Am I ready for His very cataclysmic appearance?

[M. T. Cross]

Those pesky Jesuits! They are crafty indeed. They try to sneak into the pagan community as well. I know I am always on the look out for their lying ways.

[OzarkWoman]

I have The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. So what? I know fiction from reality and they are fun to watch. It seems to me that many want to control what others do. Psssttttt, it ain't goin' to happen!!!

[Gus Foster]

some like to take some facts lightly but just one is that the Bildeburgers were started in 1975 in Norway by a Jesuit, Knight of Malta and now have a controlling say in most global events and appointment of people--both Obama and Clinton attended in '07 in Washington and the result is the present office holders

[Gerr]

The Protestant stopped protesting a long time ago. They are slowly (but with gathering speed) responding to Mother's call to come back.

[M. T. Cross]

some like to take some facts lightly but just one is that the Bildeburgers were started in 1975 in Norway by a Jesuit, Knight of Malta and now have a controlling say in most global events and appointment of people--both Obama and Clinton attended in '07 in Washington and the result is the present office holders

I don't doubt that there may be factions of the Jesuits that try to exert control, but there are a lot of organizations that try to do such. Its a political game and its based on greed for power and not really anything else. Religion is just a tool used.

But still I am really really curious on how Tolkien's writings fit into the whole scheme of things and how you think they are tools of the Devil

[Gus Foster]

Hi Ozark-

In Romans 1 Paul gives us the best definition of the gospel and then in the second half reasons for the wrath of God on those who commit those sins. Then in chapter 2 Paul starts out by telling us not to judge, for we are all sinners and do many of the same things.

I really try to follow that--

my point was that the Left Behind Series has no more good theology than those other fictional books.

You know how people jump on opinions written on forums, so I try to avoid controversies--if that is possible. I must admit though I am trying to spend more time in the Word and research on the coming tribulations.

[Gus Foster]

That's easy--

my grandkids prefer those books to all those Christian books I buy them--

so where are their minds -- with Christ or somewhere else?

[M. T. Cross]

Do you think there are no valuable lessons they can learn from Tolkien?

I think what you are looking at is a problem more with the way Christian writers write for young people. Regardless of what you or anyone else says, young people want excitement and intrigue. It could be easily done in a Christian writing but its not.

[M. T. Cross]

That's easy--

my grandkids prefer those books to all those Christian books I buy them--

so where are their minds -- with Christ or somewhere else?

One more question. Was Tolkien just an example picked at random? Because there are a lot of other things that I am sure distract your grandkids from Christian writings as well. Or is there something about Tolkien that you particularly disapprove of?

To further my statement above. If you look at books that a lot of younger people are reading you will see that kids are open to spiritual things. Rick Riordan has three very successful series. The first is based on Egyption deity, the second and third based on Greek and Roman deity with a fourth soon to be on the shelves about Nordic/Germanic deity. Harry Potter introduced kids to something very esoteric and in its own way spiritual. Tolkien is still selling like crazy almost 80 years after the Hobbit was first published. These books all have lessons of making good choices, the consequences of bad choices and the proverbial good overcoming evil. Essentially the same basic point the Bible makes. But Christian books are filled with theology. That is something kids mostly do not respond to. If someone were to write some Christian based stories that had excitement and intrigue I bet kids would be willing to read and learn from them as well.

[CoAspen]

Ec, you must remember, christians, the true ones, should be solemn, non smiling, no laughter and most of all.....never, ever go near the water on a Holy Day.

Always live in fear of contamination!!!!

[M. T. Cross]

You would think I would have that through my head by now eh? I almost get it, then I get together with my pagan group and we honour our Gods with love and laughter, we even seek out water on holy days sometimes, and I forget that true Christians don't feel the same way.

Thanks for your continued patience in reminding me CoA. You are a fine person

[Gus Foster]

Random--

there is always a point about where the mind is there is the heart-- it may touch on a five year old playing video games killing things hours at a time

[M. T. Cross]

You will find no disagreement from me on the video games.

[Stan]

I would rather be looking forward and be a proclaimer that Jesus is returning, and to "keep the Commandments and have the faith of Jesus" then constantly looking backwards pointing out the errors of others in bygone years and centuries.

Stan

son of Eric

son of Vilmer

[M. T. Cross]

I would rather be looking forward and be a proclaimer that Jesus is returning, and to "keep the Commandments and have the faith of Jesus" then constantly looking backwards pointing out the errors of others in bygone years and centuries.

Stan

son of Eric

son of Vilmer

^^ ^^

Looky there, someone celebrating their beliefs. Good on ya

[JoeMo]

As long as we are exposing evil infidel heretic satanic writers, let's not forget that sleeze ball C.S. Lewis (author of "Chronicles of Narnia"). Comparing Christ to a lion - really? And his church to a bunch of children and misfits? OOHH the pain!

Seriously - how many of you that are "satanizing" "Left Behind" and the writings of Tolkien and Rowling ever read the books? You might be suprised at the blessings and spiritual insights these books contain.

Did you know that Tolkien's and Lewis' books were banned by various countries and denominations for several years?

[joeb]

As long as we are exposing evil infidel heretic satanic writers, let's not forget that sleeze ball C.S. Lewis (author of "Chronicles of Narnia"). Comparing Christ to a lion - really? And his church to a bunch of children and misfits? OOHH the pain!

Seriously - how many of you that are "satanizing" "Left Behind" and the writings of Tolkien and Rowling ever read the books? You might be suprised at the blessings and spiritual insights these books contain.

Did you know that Tolkien's and Lewis' books were banned by various countries and denominations for several years?

I've read Tolkien, several times over in my years away from the church. I have to agree that the Lord of the Rings trilogy and The Hobbit are poison for young minds. It's true there are good things in the books, but those good things are what make them so dangerous as they are mixed with Satanic teachings such as spiritualism. Poison mixed with healthy food is still poisonous. The healthy food just makes the poison appear good for you but the poison will still kill you in the end.

I find any argument that says spiritualism masquerading as good literature for young Christian minds to be a very dangerous argument for said minds.

[JoeMo]

joeb; you are completely entitled to your opinion. That being said, your revelation is not my revelation.

[joeb]

joeb; you are completely entitled to your opinion. That being said, your revelation is not my revelation.

Just what, according to you, is good about teaching spiritualism to anyone? That's not meant to be a snide question, but a serious one. I'd really like to see you answer the question. Not to condemn you for your opinion, but to understand your reasoning.

[JoeMo]

Teaching the Bible or the SoP is teaching spiritualism in the sense that it teaches us how to interact with God; and pulls the curtain back on things that are happening in the spiritual realm that we wouldn't otherwise know. The thing about the so-called "spiritualism" taught in the Bible and that written about by Tolkien, Lewis, and Rawlings is that the Bible is a non-fictional book (for those who believe it to be so); and the other books are documented certified fiction - make believe stories - it says so right in the books.

There are fictional stories in the Bible, also. For example - the so-called "spirit" conjured up by the witch for King Saul; and the story of Lazarus laying in the busom of Abaraham. Am I to conclude from those stories that the soul is unconditionally immortal, that we go to heaven or hell as soon as we die; and the right person can call out souls back to earth? About as much as I believe that Hemione's (character in Harry Potter's Book) spell "Leviosa" means anything other than "rise" in Latin. Or that Frodo's ring of power actually existed at one time. People have brains; and if they are intelligent enough to read these books, they are intelligent enough to discern fact from fiction.

So - yes, teaching spiritualism as God outlines in the Bible is good. Reading a novel is different than studying scripture. One is done for learning and growth; the other is done for entertainment. Say what you want about the books - they beat the heck out of the garbage that passes for entertainment on most TV channels.