Administrators debbym Posted June 1, 2013 Administrators Posted June 1, 2013 Quote: I'm asking if Adventists teach that Jesus was obedient as opposed to Jesus actually doing those things he did because it was what he willed to do. I'm wondering if Jesus just did those things to follow what God asked of him, or if he did it because he wanted to do those. I know I'm not explaining it well, but I'm trying. this comment reminded me of that old testament verse that i believe speaks of Jesus attitude, "Psalm 40:8 King James Version (KJV) I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart. i believe Jesus joyfully and habitually did his Father's will. and i believe he was aware of what his fathers will was. in Gethsemane he struggles praying "never the less not my will but thy will be done." wrestling with our will, bring it into surrender to God's will is something we need the power of the Holy Spirit to help us do. Jesus was completely surrendered, so he experienced the power of the Spirit without measure, which we will also experience when we will be in submission to His Father's will as he was. Quote deb Love awakens love. Let God be true and every man a liar.
olger Posted June 1, 2013 Posted June 1, 2013 Amen, Deb. Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Members phkrause Posted June 1, 2013 Members Posted June 1, 2013 Quote: I'm asking if Adventists teach that Jesus was obedient as opposed to Jesus actually doing those things he did because it was what he willed to do. I'm wondering if Jesus just did those things to follow what God asked of him, or if he did it because he wanted to do those. I know I'm not explaining it well, but I'm trying. this comment reminded me of that old testament verse that i believe speaks of Jesus attitude, "Psalm 40:8 King James Version (KJV) I delight to do thy will, O my God: yea, thy law is within my heart. i believe Jesus joyfully and habitually did his Father's will. and i believe he was aware of what his fathers will was. in Gethsemane he struggles praying "never the less not my will but thy will be done." wrestling with our will, bring it into surrender to God's will is something we need the power of the Holy Spirit to help us do. Jesus was completely surrendered, so he experienced the power of the Spirit without measure, which we will also experience when we will be in submission to His Father's will as he was. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
cricket Posted June 2, 2013 Posted June 2, 2013 Okay, you've all answered my question. Adventists teach that Jesus, a man, acted out of obedience to His Father. It was Jesus' will to be obedient to the will of the Father. That's all I wanted to know. Quote
olger Posted June 3, 2013 Posted June 3, 2013 It was, until the dark night of Gethsemane. There, Jesus had to wrestle with a will in conflict with His Father's. Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
joeb Posted June 3, 2013 Author Posted June 3, 2013 JoeMo, Here's a couple of quotes from Bonhoeffer's book from which I took the quote that started this thread. They do a pretty good job of summing up his position. Quote: Only the obedient believe. If we are to believe, we must obey a concrete command. Without this preliminary step of obedience , our faith will only be pious humbug, and lead us to the grace which is not costly. Everything depends on the first step. It has a unique quality of its own. The first step of obedience makes Peter leave his nets, and later get out of the ship: it calls the young man to leave his riches. Only this new existence, created through obedience, can make faith possible. The Cost of Discipleship p. 64 Here's a longer explanation of his position from the same book. Quote: We have listened to the Sermon on the Mount and perhaps of understood it. But who has not heard it aright? Jesus gives us the answer at the end. He does not allow his hears to go away and make of his sayings what they will, picking and choosing from them whatever they find helpful, and testing them to see if they work. He does not give them free rein to misuse his word with their mercenary hands, but gives it to them on condition that it retains exlusive power over them. Humanly speaking, we could understand and interpret the Sermon on the Mount in a thousand ways. Jesus knows only one possibility: simple surrender and obedience, not interpreting it or applying it, but doing and obeying it. That is the only way to hear his word. But again he does not mean that it is to be discussed as an ideal, he really means us to get on with it. p.197 I have a couple more quotes, but they are a page or so long, several paragraphs. I hope these help you understand what he meant by his statement. Quote Liberty cannot be established without morality, nor morality without faith.Alexis de Tocqueville
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