Shellie Zimmerman Will Not Press Charges Against Zimmerman Despite 911 Call

[bonnie]

Shellie Zimmerman Will Not Press Charges Against George Zimmerman Despite 911 Call

By KYLE HIGHTOWER and MIKE SCHNEIDER 09/10/13 04:44 AM ET EDT AP

-- The 911 call seemed frantic: George Zimmerman's sobbing estranged wife said he was threatening her and her father with a gun and she feared for her life. Please come.

Hours later Monday, after police converged on the home in an Orlando suburb and after speaking to her attorney, she changed her story, said Lake Mary Police Chief Steve Bracknell. She said she never saw a gun and that she and her father, whom she said Zimmerman had punched in the face, had no interest in pressing charges.

Police later said they did not find a gun on Zimmerman's person.

The encounter Monday was the latest in a string of incidents in which Zimmerman has landed in the news since his acquittal on July 13 of all charges for fatally shooting 17-year-old Trayvon Martin. Besides the divorce filing, he's twice been pulled over on suspicion of speeding, ticketed once. He's also appeared in photos at a gun maker that were published online and assisted members of a family from their vehicle following a car wreck.

This is certainly a damning indictment against Zimmermman.It is easy to see how these string of events could make one see "How Zimmerman is showing his true colors.

Imagine a person being pulled over for speeding or appearing in a gun photo

Monday's dispute involving the Zimmermans isn't uncommon for a couple in the midst of a divorce, said his attorney, Mark O'Mara, who led the defense team that secured the jury's not-guilty verdict. He said his client never threatened anyone with a gun and never punched his father-in-law.

Shellie Zimmerman had collected most of her belongings from the house where both she and George had been staying until she moved out. But she had returned unexpectedly Monday to gather the remaining items and emotions got out of control, O'Mara said. Police talked to everyone about what happened, but neither side is pressing charges and no one was arrested.

"I know the 911 tape suggests that Shellie was saying something but I think that was heightened emotions," O'Mara said. "There may have been some pushing and touching. That happens a lot in divorce situations ... Nobody was injured."

Her father also declined to press charges, the police chief said.

George Zimmerman's brother Robert Zimmerman Jr., tweeted after the news got out of the dispute that "we've learned from GZ case not to `jump to conclusions,' to wait for facts, & to avoid speculation. `News' is a business – not your friend."

Prosecutors, though, could still build a case based on surveillance video from cameras outside the house and also video from the squad cars of officers who responded. Florida law allows police officers to arrest someone for domestic violence without the consent of the victim.

But for the time being, "domestic violence can't be invoked because she has changed her story and says she didn't see a firearm," Bracknell said.

Shellie Zimmerman, 26, in her divorce filing last week, said she and her husband had separated a month after he was acquitted. She has asked that her husband pay for a permanent life insurance policy with her named as the beneficiary.

In an interview with ABC's "Good Morning America" that aired last Friday, Shellie Zimmerman said of her husband: "I have a selfish husband and I think George is all about George." She also said her 29-year-old husband is reckless and feels invincible.

Shellie Zimmerman, who was convicted of perjury last month for lying about the couple's finances at her husband's bail hearing, initially told a 911 dispatcher Monday that her husband had his hand on his gun as he sat in his car outside the home. She said she was scared because she wasn't sure what Zimmerman was capable of doing.

On the 911 call, Shellie Zimmerman is sobbing and repeating "Oh my God" as she talks to a police dispatcher. She yells at her father to get inside the house, saying Zimmerman may start shooting at them.

"He's threatening all of us with a firearm ... He punched my dad in the nose," Shellie Zimmerman said on the call. "I don't know what he's capable of. I'm really scared." She also alleged that George Zimmerman had grabbed an iPad from her hand and smashed it.

"We didn't find a gun," Lake Mary police spokesman Zach Hudson said late Monday night. "We didn't find anything that indicated he had a gun on his person."

"She basically said he made a movement that would be consistent with a movement someone would make if they had a gun," Hudson added.

Hudson said Zimmerman was released from investigative detention around 6:30 p.m. and "he just walked back into the house."

"Right now he's not a suspect in anything per se," he said but added that authorities were still viewing the video to see what new information can be found.

Since his July 13 acquittal, Zimmerman has gotten a speeding ticket in Florida and was pulled over on suspicion of speeding on a highway near Dallas, Texas, but not cited. Forney police stopped Zimmerman as he drove west on U.S. 80, about 20 miles east of Dallas. A police dashcam video released July 31 shows an officer interacting with Zimmerman and letting him go with a warning.

The officer can be heard saying, "Just take it easy. Go ahead and shut your glove compartment. Don't play with your firearm." Although the officer's comments indicated Zimmerman had a gun, a weapon can't be seen and it's not clear that he had one.

Just days after his acquittal, George Zimmerman also made news when he was credited by police and others for helping assist a couple and their two children after their SUV flipped over on a Florida highway. After the reports emerged, O'Mara had to fend off comments that it was somehow staged.

At the time, O'Mara said, Zimmerman was still getting threats and was concerned about his safety. When asked if Zimmerman was still carrying a concealed weapon, O'Mara answered, "Yes, he's protecting himself."

Weeks later, he appeared smiling with an employee at the gun manufacturer Kel-Tec, the same brand of pistol he used to shoot Martin during their February 2012 confrontation in Sanford. Zimmerman said he acted in self-defense when he killed Martin, and the polarizing case, including an initial delay in charging Zimmerman, opened up national discussions on self-defense laws and race.

George Zimmerman has been involved with a domestic case at least once before. In 2005, Zimmerman's former fiancee filed for a restraining order against Zimmerman, alleging domestic violence. Zimmerman responded by requesting a restraining order against his then-fiancee.

Hudson said Zimmerman is free to do whatever he wants at this time, but suspects he will not be staying at the same house given the recent publicity.

Said Hudson: "When you're trying to keep things quiet, it's good to keep a low profile."

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[lazarus]

It took OJ years to face justice but it seems like GZ may get there in months.

[Ted Oplinger]

It took OJ years to face justice but it seems like GZ may get there in months.

Trayvon got justice. George Zimmerman was getting the railroad. As I have said before - George may well be a real jerk...but the law has been on his side on every instance so far...even with the dealings he is now having with his soon-to-be ex.

If indeed George is the man painted by the media, his day of reckoning will come.

You do realize George is only a generation less black than your wonderful president, don't you?

[Tom Wetmore]

And Ted, the law was clearly on the side of the police using lethal force against an armed and dangerous (actively shooting) 107 year old. He got justice too. Why the difference in reaction?

The old man was in error to use force to defend himself. The old man perhaps thought his gun would protect him and remove what ever threat he (mis)perceived. He was wrong, dead wrong. Trayvon was also in error to use his superior physical force to defend himself. He likely was confident in his fighting skills to defend himself and remove the threat of what he (mis)perceived as a stalker that was threatening him. He was wrong, dead wrong. Both were met with deadly force in response. And people in both cases legitimately question the necessity of deadly force to remove the threat, or whether the police or George should have moved into a threatening position to begin with, or utilized less aggressive or violent means, or made attempt to de-escalate the situation, or... The second guessing goes on and on... But both men are dead... still.

Which killing was more justified? Why?

To me it seems an outrage that either had to die. But such is the consequences of living by a credo that thinks force and violence is a solution to whatever problem we face. Violence begets violence. Actions and reactions escalate. You threaten me with a knife, I shoot you with a gun. You shoot at me with a gun, I shoot back with a bigger gun. You respond with three shots. I respond with four. No good comes of it. Soon we are all dead or scarred. And those who survive, vow to avenge the deaths of those who died and go buy more guns and bigger guns. Everyone lives in fear, clutching the cold steel of their false salvation.

Sort of like Syria...

There has got to be a better way to solve our problems...

[Ted Oplinger]

As a lawyer, I thought the differences between Trayvon Martin and Monroe Isadore would be self-evident...

And Ted, the law was clearly on the side of the police using lethal force against an armed and dangerous (actively shooting) 107 year old. He got justice too. Why the difference in reaction?

The old man was in error to use force to defend himself. The old man perhaps thought his gun would protect him and remove what ever threat he (mis)perceived. He was wrong, dead wrong. Trayvon was also in error to use his superior physical force to defend himself. He likely was confident in his fighting skills to defend himself and remove the threat of what he (mis)perceived as a stalker that was threatening him. He was wrong, dead wrong. Both were met with deadly force in response. And people in both cases legitimately question the necessity of deadly force to remove the threat, or whether the police or George should have moved into a threatening position to begin with, or utilized less aggressive or violent means, or made attempt to de-escalate the situation, or... The second guessing goes on and on... But both men are dead... still.

Which killing was more justified? Why?

[Neil D]

Even with the Syria point. I do wish we lived in a perfect world, where violence is not required to resolve anything, but sin will not allow this. At times, violence is required. The question is: have we exhausted all options immediately available before resorting to violent consequences? Do we even have options available to us? Sometimes, violence can ONLY be met by superior violence - as in Mr. Zimmerman's case. Even then, we can agree there are consequences he is enduring just for saving his own life. Was it worth it? Time will tell

Was it worth it? Again, time will tell.

Just my $0.02, Tom

There is a third option that NO ONE seems to be listening to... and the reason no one it looking at it favorably is that it looks weak..

You alluded to responding to sin with violence...the third option is mercy....and sometimes mercy is looked upon as weak...as in walking away....

...that last assertion that "I AM RIGHT" is a pseudo 'right'...no, that is not a right...that's the "Jerk complex" that is asserting itself...We got enough jerks in the US without imposing our 'justice' to the world...

[Ted Oplinger]

There is a third option that NO ONE seems to be listening to... and the reason no one it looking at it favorably is that it looks weak..

You alluded to responding to sin with violence...the third option is mercy....and sometimes mercy is looked upon as weak...as in walking away....

...that last assertion that "I AM RIGHT" is a pseudo 'right'...no, that is not a right...that's the "Jerk complex" that is asserting itself...We got enough jerks in the US without imposing our 'justice' to the world...

Point well taken, Neil.

Yet, does not mercy need to be taken in full account? Would it have been mercy due to George had he never drawn his 9mm and shot Trayvon? Where would George's mercy due have been? Trayvon was not being merciful, and thus was shot for that lack of mercy.

If the situation allows for walking away, then yes, it is much more merciful to do so, even with the trash talking of others being evident.

George could not exercise mercy without allowing Trayvon to murder him, as Trayvon rejected the opportunity to display mercy when offered.

The Pine Bluff police, on the other hand, did not exercise full mercy when given the opportunity, asserting their "right" to take down Monroe with lethal force due to the nature of the circumstances.

In each conflict, at least one party is being a jerk to the other. Many times, each party is being the jerk perceived by the other. Mercy on both sides can reduce the need to take "jerkness" to its inevitable conclusion...

A couple of more cents into the pot...

[lazarus]

Trayvon got justice.

I'm puzzled by your sense of justice. An unarmed teen is in a fight with an armed man who was following him and gets shot and killed. Let assume for the sake of argument that he did turn around and attack GZ. Clearly he felt threatened and as it turns out he was right. His death even with that assumption that he attacked GZ is a tragedy and but hardly justice.

On the other hand a man who shoots at police on two separate occasions and gets killed by police is an injustice. They were defending themselves. Surely Martin had the right to defend himself. An armed man can shoot at police twice. An unarmed teen cannot defend himself against an armed man who is following. Odd to say the least.

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George Zimmerman was getting the railroad.

Not sure what that means.

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If indeed George is the man painted by the media, his day of reckoning will come.

Again, GZ is doing a great job of making himself out to be the killer of Treyvon Martin who got away with murder. Can't blame the media on this one.

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You do realize George is only a generation less black than your wonderful president, don't you?

And this means......what?

[bonnie]

Again, GZ is doing a great job of making himself out to be the killer of Treyvon Martin who got away with murder. Can't blame the media on this one.

Could you explain how touring a gun manufacturer,being pulled over for speeding twice and a dubious altercation with a soon to be ex-wife is doing a great job of showing himself to be a killer who got away with murder.

His wife admits to lying,admitting she never saw the gun she accused him of having.

Most of us have been pulled over for speeding,is that the sign of a killer.

Having a interest in guns and being able to see how they are produced is the sign of a killer. We have several gun collectors in our family that would certainly do so if they had a chance.Are they potential killers?

[Ted Oplinger]

Well, Laz, since seem to be part of the lynch mob that's after GZ, let's take this one at a time:

Originally Posted By: Ted Oplinger

Trayvon got justice.

I'm puzzled by your sense of justice. An unarmed teen is in a fight with an armed man who was following him and gets shot and killed. Let assume for the sake of argument that he did turn around and attack GZ. Clearly he felt threatened and as it turns out he was right. His death even with that assumption that he attacked GZ is a tragedy and but hardly justice.

[lazarus]

Could you explain how touring a gun manufacturer,being pulled over for speeding twice and a dubious altercation with a soon to be ex-wife is doing a great job of showing himself to be a killer who got away with murder.

Most reasonable people would conclude that no explanation is necessary.

[lazarus]

Well, Laz, since seem to be part of the lynch mob that's after GZ, let's take this one at a time:

Not a lynch mob. A lynch mob would have patted GZ and then and asked him to lead the pack and get another N-word. This case followed the classic pattern. There was even a token white woman victim.

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brooding 6' tall fighter pictures taken shortly before Trayvon died.

Wow, you profiled him too.

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Trayvon's manner of slow walk matched the behavior of one casing out apartments for break-ins

LOl, have you seen video of this slow walk? You've certainly bought Zimmerman's version of events. Of course you leave out that he was told not to follow and said 'they always get away". Two simple FACTS that give a clear indication of what kind of person GZ was as is evidenced by his subsequent behavior.

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I don't fault Trayvon for this.

You faulting for looking like he's brooding and being 6ft

You fault him for walking slow.

In fact you are faulting him for being there when the one at fault is GZ for profiling and and following Treyvon.

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That sequence of events has been firmly established in police reports and court records.

The burden of proof is beyond reasonable doubt. You chose to believe Zimmerman's version of events. That your right but that's all it is.

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If he was "scared for his life" as some have put forth, he should have found refuge inside. Common sense tells us this.

I'm sure you've heard of the flight or fight response. Some people run some people fight. If you ever been in a confrontation you will know that even if you decide to stand you ground fear still rushes through your body. Martin had the right to stand his ground.

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But he wasn't, was he, Laz? Rather, he was spoiling for a fight, wasn't he?

Wonder why you have to paint such a dark picture of Martin. Even GZ doesn't do that.

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Trayvon, having some experience in MMA,

Again you ignore the fact the GZ took MMA classes three times a week. How many classes did TM take? The fact that you gloss over these details and amplify TM's MMA experience is revealing.

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Shooting through a closed door is not the same as shooting "at police".

He knew police were there. There were negations. Who else was he shooting at?

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Police training kept them from actually being in front of the door.

Why? People shoot through doors and cops get injured as a result. Your argument is proving my point. Shooting through doors is has resulted in dead cops. Despite their training the cops would have to have entered through the door some time sooner or later.

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So long as he was left alone, he posed no harm,

Someone who has shot at others cannot be said to pose no harm. If I had a neighbor who had fired shots twice at police I would not want the police to leave him alone. They negotiated, the waited, they fired gas, they distracted him and he still fired shots at them as they entered.

Originally Posted By: lazarus

Never heard of "getting railroaded"?

Yes, but not what you said.

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In other words, getting charged and tried for crimes one was innocent of, with no pursuit of truth or justice? Much like every "trial by media" is - and as George's conviction in the media certainly was?

Blaming the media is an easy option. GZ is now giving evidence that he is reckless and folks are beginning to see why on that night he ended up killing TM.

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George was acquitted of the charges, because it was demonstrated in court Trayvon was the aggressor, not the defender.

No. GZ was acquitted simply because there was a majority white jury and TM was black, seen brooding, bigger, stronger, and up to no good. This was the trial of Treyvon Martin rather than GZ.

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A rather stupid, but odd thing. But stupid and odd fit the media template, so we are not to question it, lest the "racist" label be so eagerly applied...but anyone denying the racial polarization of the Zimmerman trial is but willfully ignorant, even disingenuous. The issue is front and center of the media circus which continues to swirl around him.

Stupid but largely irrelevant since racism in America was never about heritage but about color of the skin and power. There have been African-Americans who were able to skirt white racism because they looked white. An African American woman almost got treated at the Washington SDA sanitarium when they barred "colored' people because she looked white. I doubt that GZ would be depicted as a monkey by Tea Party racists if he were president.

The GZ trail merely reveals the polarization that currently exists in American society. It used to be acceptable to be a white racist. You were accepted and protected, sometimes elevated. Now its not acceptable but it's still in the heart.

[Ted Oplinger]

Laz, you have some awfully odd ways of calling "fault". I would guess they'd have to be odd, in order to believe what you believe about Trayvon.

What I listed there was the sequence of events as it was sustained in police reports, eyewitness testimony, and court records. Yes, there are probably a couple of different versions of the events, but these did not hold up as credible in court - and that's the key.

About the lynch mobs...don't you know they've gone PC? They come in all colors and persuasions, Laz. The chief characteristic, though, remains that they won't accept what is legally established, and seek their own form of vigilante justice outside of sustainable facts.

TM didn't "stand his ground". He went 100 yds OUT OF HIS WAY, when his uncle's door was just FEET away. That's not "stand your ground", Laz, that is out of control ego and malice.

Profiling? Get over it, Laz. Educate the ones involved to cease that kind of activity. It's just like the TSA situation: if the problem is young Saudi nationals using planes to blow up buildings, then who needs to be screened? Young Saudi nationals. If Young Saudis get upset about that, then they just might ought to get upset with their countrymen first, instead of the ones trying to protect themselves.

Laz, the profiling issue to me is but a lack of willingness on the part of people groups to take responsibility for the actions bringing on the attention. That means shaming and shunning the perps and encouraging the youth to be different from that. There doesn't have to be an ethnicity or race attached to that. What I hear when someone cries that profiling is "bad" is that they don't care enough to reject that kind of activity. That's an argument I just don't buy into, and many different groups are buying into it.

Then again, don't you do the exact same thing by labelling all Southern White people as racist rednecks? Profiling every White as racist? Don't cry about young black men getting profiled for crime when a) there are color-blind government stats demonstrating they do have an issue with criminal activity, the black political and cultural leadership doesn't want to constructively address the issue, but rather excuse, and even encourage, this activity as "black culture" - the "gangsta lifestyle", and c) they themselves profile other groups (Whites, Jews, Hispanics, Koreans...the list is long) as "'racists" for daring to takes steps to protect themselves from the activity of these young black men.

There are elements of each of these points within your version of the Trayvon tragedy, Laz. Get mad if you like, but the truth is the truth, and it will not go away just because one doesn't agree with it.

On the MMA thing...George's experience with MMA, per his trainer/instructor, was strictly for exercise and conditioning. Laz, you ignore and gloss over the fact that George's trainer is on record saying George could not use MMA techniques well enough in an actual street fight to win, given an opponent of equal or greater size/weight advantage. George's encounter with Trayvon underscored that, and placed an exclamation point on that for George.

I discussed this with my own Tae Kwan Do instructor, and he said there are many who take the martial art, even rank up to black belt and beyond, and yet these cannot translate what they know in the gym to an effective defense in a street fight. Some cannot even translate their skills into effective sparring within the martial art. George was one of the latter - he could not even spar in class effectively. This is a rather well-known phenomenum, Laz...but again, it doesn't fit your particular narrative.

As for George's current problems...no, the media are driving the same killer narrative, sensationalizing the incidents as they follow George around, to portray just the picture you want. But...things like touring a gun manufacturing plant after accepting an extended invite, and helping a distressed couple, just don't count toward the narrative.

No, Laz, on this issue, I must concur you do indeed swallow the sensationalized/propagandized George Zimmerman, hook, line, and sinker. Apparently, you fall into the crowd that wants vengeance, not justice - the modern-day lynch mob. No sense in giving the man the benefit of the doubt in character, is there?

[bonnie]

As for George's current problems...no, the media are driving the same killer narrative, sensationalizing the incidents as they follow George around, to portray just the picture you want. But...things like touring a gun manufacturing plant after accepting an extended invite, and helping a distressed couple, just don't count toward the narrative.

No, Laz, on this issue, I must concur you do indeed swallow the sensationalized/propagandized George Zimmerman, hook, line, and sinker. Apparently, you fall into the crowd that wants vengeance, not justice - the modern-day lynch mob. No sense in giving the man the benefit of the doubt in character, is there?

But think of the glee when and if pushed into defending himself again there will be a physical confrontation.

I don't know if in fact GZ had a weapon under his shirt,but why would that be so startling. C&C means that you would probably C&C. A vindictive wife that yells abuse is not uncommon. While it is not rare for a abused wife to refuse to file charges,someone that is terrified of a spouse does not go on national TV and explain what a abuser he is.Nor do they lie in a public 911 call. They keep things as quiet as possible while removing themselves.

Speeding tickets seem to be a sign of a killer to some. All four of my sons,my husband and myself have had more than our share of speeding tickets or warnings. None of us have the slightest desire to kill anyone or would do so because of that.

But I fully expect with the attitude shown here being common to many that it could very well be a self fulfilling prophecy

[bonnie]

Now isn't it time we follow and dissect every portion of the lives of these thugs? I would guess you would find more than traffic violations in their past and future

eptember 12, 2013

Following the Leaders: Black on White Violence Increasing?

M Catharine Evans

Do you remember when the leader of the New Black Panthers publicly called for blacks to kill whites, and Eric Holder's DOJ did nothing? How about when Barack Obama advised his supporters to "get in their faces," "punish your enemies," and "if they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun?"

Now the most divisive president and attorney general in history are getting what they want. They've already accomplished redistributing the wealth, now it's time to redistribute the violence.

Hate crimes against "whitey" seem to be occurring on a daily basis.

Here are two more.

Jeffrey Babbitt died on Monday. Last Wednesday the 62-year-old NYC retired train conductor had just finished visiting his favorite store in Union Square when a 31-year-old black man started shouting he hated white people. According to eyewitnesses LaShawn Marten, alias Lashawn Redrick, yelled "the next white person who walks by, I'm going to f...up."

Babbitt was the "next person." He was pronounced brain-dead after Marten punched him in the head causing him to fall. His skull hit the ground with such a force, one witness said she heard it crack.

Two days after the Babbitt attack, an unidentified black man riding through Harlem on the M60 bus called a white passenger a "cracker." He then punched the 31-year-old victim so hard he broke his nose and eye socket, according to police.

Despite eyewitness accounts of the perpetrators' shouting racial slurs right before the assaults, the mainstream media still couldn't bring itself to tell the truth.

CBS reported the Babbitt murder as a "possible hate crime." CBS went so far as to explain possible motives other than racism. Apparently, Marten was upset because no one would play chess with him.

The Washington Post headline read: "62-year-old NYC man punched in possible bias attack; upgraded charges possible."

The New York Times added the word "random" in their lead: "Friends Mourn Man Fatally Assaulted in Possible Random Hate Crime." The NYT piece added the fact that Marten was homeless and suggested he may have been mentally ill.

Too many angry black people apparently think they have a license to commit violence against whites, following the lead of arrogant leaders that flout the laws of the land.

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2013...l#ixzz2egmukQKb

[lazarus]

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Profiling? Get over it, Laz.

I see it every day. Driving a nice car. Visiting a member in a white neighborhood, etc. It real whether your media tells you or not.

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Educate the ones involved to cease that kind of activity.

Driving, going to a predominantly white neighborhood. Being parked by the side of the road. Being asked is this your car? Are you kidding? LOL.

Trouble is that you accept the media stereotypes.

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What I hear when someone cries that profiling is "bad" is that they don't care enough to reject that kind of activity.

I would expect you to hear that. I'm not surprised. So....You you are saying that accept criminal activity?

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don't you do the exact same thing by labelling all Southern White people as racist rednecks?

Wow, where did that come from? Ok, this will be easy for you to prove. Post the quotes.

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Profiling every White as racist?

Post the quotes.

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Don't cry about young black men getting profiled for crime when

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a) there are color-blind government stats demonstrating they do have an issue with criminal activity,

How can they be color-blind if they demonstrate....?

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the black political and cultural leadership doesn't want to constructively address the issue, but rather excuse, and even encourage, this activity as "black culture" - the "gangsta lifestyle",

LOl, thats what your media would have you believe. Black political and "cultural" (what ever those are) have done more to fight the problems in the black community than any white leader has done.

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There are elements of each of these points within your version of the Trayvon tragedy, Laz. Get mad if you like, but the truth is the truth, and it will not go away just because one doesn't agree with it.

Why would I get mad? Your posting, on the other hand seems rather intense. Are you upset? What you are saying is not new. It's predictable. It part of the pattern of these kind of conversations about race. Many whites rejected the African-American understanding of America in the middle of the last century. I really don't expect you to agree or embrace my view. This is the essence of the polarization. MLK was one of the most hated men in America when died but the struggle for understanding and justice continues.

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On the MMA thing...George's experience with MMA, per his trainer/instructor, was strictly for exercise and conditioning. Laz, you ignore and gloss over the fact that George's trainer is on record saying George could not use MMA techniques well enough in an actual street fight to win, given an opponent of equal or greater size/weight advantage.

Then the same trainer touts the course using GZ's name, curious. You bought that line about Z being 1 out of 10. That's curiouser.

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As for George's current problems...no, the media are driving the same killer narrative, sensationalizing the incidents as they follow George around, to portray just the picture you want.

There you go again. It's all the media's fault.You should be encouraging GZ to take responsibility for his own actions not give him asn excuse by making the media culpable for his misdeeds. He's an adult.

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No sense in giving the man the benefit of the doubt in character, is there?

You and many others are blessing him with that, even to the point of absurdity. I think he is where is now because he has not taken responsibility for his actions. I hope his recklessness is not fatal but maybe as a result of jail time he'll become more responsible.

[lazarus]

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Now isn't it time we follow and dissect every portion of the lives of these thugs? I would guess you would find more than traffic violations in their past and future

LOL.

[Planey]

The chief characteristic, though, remains that they won't accept what is legally established, and seek their own form of vigilante justice outside of sustainable facts.

Reminds me a bit of OJ.

[Guest]

It took OJ years to face justice but it seems like GZ may get there in months.

I hope you never have to defend your life by killing someone, only to be attacked by a bunch of racists afterwards.

And before you say you're not a pack of racist dogs, please tell me how else you would describe people who view EVERYTHING through the prism of race?

That is the very definition of racist. Don't bother with facts, that will only confuse your kind.

[bonnie]

I hope you never have to defend your life by killing someone, only to be attacked by a bunch of racists afterwards.

And before you say you're not a pack of racist dogs, please tell me how else you would describe people who view EVERYTHING through the prism of race?

That is the very definition of racist. Don't bother with facts, that will only confuse your kind.

If Martin had been white this would have ceased to be an issue long ago.

Or if Martin had done the killing it would be ignored as the countless black on white crimes are

[Guest]

If Martin had been white this would have ceased to be an issue long ago.

Or if Martin had done the killing it would be ignored as the countless black on white crimes are

Exactly. It only goes one way.

Racism sucks.

[lazarus]

I hope you never have to defend your life by killing someone, only to be attacked by a bunch of racists afterwards.

GZ wasn't defending his life he was making sure that "they don't get away".

[lazarus]

If Martin had been white this would have ceased to be an issue long ago.

Because the perp would have been behind bars long ago. That's the point of the fuss with Martin. Glad you get it.

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Or if Martin had done the killing it would be ignored as the countless black on white crimes are

Ignored. Are you kidding? That Austrailian kid? Ignored? Really?

FBI's annual figures on homicide rates in America repeatedly show that of the thousands of killings in the nation annually only a minuscule number of whites are killed by blacks. The plain fact is that whites are likely to be killed by other whites, and blacks by other blacks. Yet, it's because interracial killings, more specifically black-on-white killing, is so rare that it lends itself to fear, sensationalism, and hysteria.

White on white crime is a more serious problem for whites that white on black crime. Whites need to watch out for other whites.

[bonnie]

Because the perp would have been behind bars long ago. That's the point of the fuss with Martin. Glad you get it.

[lazarus]

Nothing was said at all concerning the number of whites killed by blacks.

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Or if Martin had done the killing it would be ignored as the countless black on white crimes are

Did you post these two statements?