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[lazarus]

An Incredible man. A 20th century Moses.

[CoAspen]

Ghandi, King and Mandela showed the world that much can be changed through non violent means.

[Stan]

Ask a Sikh about Ghandi. Their response will not be pretty.

[OzarkWoman]

He was a Communist.

[Tom Wetmore]

Not really.

For those who prefer the importance of truth - http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/06/world/africa/nelson-mandela-other-side/index.html

[OzarkWoman]

Not really.

For those who prefer the importance of truth - http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/06/world/africa/nelson-mandela-other-side/index.html

You mean your liberal truth. Mandela spouted that he respected and liked Castro. That was why most of southern Florida did not like the man. Maybe you should learn what the truth is. BTW, CNN is not going to work. One does not use a liberal something to prove a liberal something.

[Neil D]

Not really.

For those who prefer the importance of truth - http://www.cnn.com/2013/12/06/world/africa/nelson-mandela-other-side/index.html

found this quite amazing....

didn't realize that Mandela once advocated violence and also didn't realize that he changed his views while in prison....

Which only goes to show that sometimes people do rehabilitate in prison when they are willing to be a bit more humble..

[phkrause]

found this quite amazing....

didn't realize that Mandela once advocated violence and also didn't realize that he changed his views while in prison....

Which only goes to show that sometimes people do rehabilitate in prison when they are willing to be a bit more humble..

Actually what it shows me, is that he had a good heart to begin with, and this is how the HS can work in us.

[lazarus]

He was a Communist.

That's what they said about MLK. Name calling, slander, dirty tricks is the fall back position if you don't have a good argument against what is right.

[OzarkWoman]

Originally Posted By: OzarkWoman

He was a Communist.

That's what they said about MLK. Name calling, slander, dirty tricks is the fall back position if you don't have a good argument against what is right.

Oh poor you. I was in many civil right marches and I like MLK. Get over yourself. I never said bad things. In fact, he did some good things and said many good things, but he was still a Communist. That happens to just be his political philosophy. All you ever want to do is to argue.

BTW, liberals would know all about the name calling and dirty tricks.

[bonnie]

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That's what they said about MLK. Name calling, slander, dirty tricks is the fall back position if you don't have a good argument against what is right.

Oh poor you. I was in many civil right marches and I like MLK. Get over yourself. I never said bad things. In fact, he did some good things and said many good things, but he was still a Communist. That happens to just be his political philosophy. All you ever want to do is to argue.

BTW, liberals would know all about the name calling and dirty tricks.

MLK did many good things,that can't be taken away from him.He was however a womanizer and plagerizer which says a lot about his honesty.

There are many reports that he was abusive to women as well.

[lazarus]

Oh poor you. I was in many civil right marches and I like MLK. Get over yourself. I never said bad things. In fact, he did some good things and said many good things, but he was still a Communist. That happens to just be his political philosophy. All you ever want to do is to argue..

You are fun to talk to but I think you are mistaken: MLK said this about communism.... All but one taken from Strength to Love

‘‘Communism and Christianity are fundamentally incompatible’’

‘‘cold atheism wrapped in the garments of materialism, communism provides no place for God or Christ’’

‘‘robs man of that quality which makes him man,’’ that is, being a ‘‘child of God’

‘We’re not going to defeat Communism with bombs and guns and gases.… We must work this out in the framework of our democracy’’

Perhaps as you were marching you saw this and thought it was true:

[OzarkWoman]

Do all liberals have this hard of a time understanding the written word? I said that Mandela was the Communist not MLK. You really do want to argue. Now, you can argue with yourself.

BTW, you are not fun to discuss with because you fail to accept any truth at all.

[ClubV12]

Heard a rumor Paul had a change of heart...

[lazarus]

I said that Mandela was the Communist not MLK.

You are totally right. My mistake. You're still fun though.

[bonnie]

You are totally right. My mistake. You're still fun though.

Perhaps a lot of people think MLK had at least communist leanings is because he surrounded himself early on in his career with those that were

[bonnie]

Have you ever read the book by Nelson Mandela,"How To Be A Good Communist?

[LifeHiscost]

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when they are willing to be a bit more humble..

Now if I can just learn how to change "they" to "I". Seems to be the work of a lifetime. I'm glad the disciple of Christ has this promise in which to cling.

"Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. "Hebrews 12:1-3 NKJV

God cares! Jesus saves!

[Tom Wetmore]

Have you ever read the book by Nelson Mandela,"How To Be A Good Communist?

Have you?

(Not actually a book, but rather a hand written manuscript purportedly by Mandela, that has been transcribed, edited and published by his enemies.)

[lazarus]

Just realized there's still a lot of hate out there for Mandela but the struggle continues.

[phkrause]

Just realized there's still a lot of hate out there for Mandela but the struggle continues.

Very sad but true

[CoAspen]

Reminds me of some Biblical characters, Moses-Murderer, but still went to heaven, David-wife steling murderer, but a man after Gods own heart. We have a tendency to look at persons mistakes and make that the person. I knew we would get some focus on the negative side of human life. We are called HUMANS, not GODS!

[Tom Wetmore]

Do all liberals have this hard of a time understanding the written word? I said that Mandela was the Communist not MLK. You really do want to argue. Now, you can argue with yourself.

BTW, you are not fun to discuss with because you fail to accept any truth at all.

Why do you have to be so prickly? And why do you assume that this fits within your liberal vs. conservative frame of reference? Why the need to spit on his grave? (Even before he is in it, really.) Can you accept that the man changed?

Since you seem to want to turn this into a ideological battle ground, why do you suppose that the primary, if not only, sources of this idea that Mandela was a communist originated from his enemies, from an evil sadistic apartheid regime initially, and now only from right wing blogs and websites, some of which are apartheid throwbacks and otherwise racist in orientation. All seems measured to discredit all the good the man did and undo his reputation and undermine progress.

[bonnie]

Every time someone disagrees with the opinion of some posters here,the old fall back is hate.

[bonnie]

Why do you have to be so prickly? And why do you assume that this fits within your liberal vs. conservative frame of reference? Why the need to spit on his grave? (Even before he is in it, really.) Can you accept that the man changed?

Since you seem to want to turn this into a ideological battle ground, why do you suppose that the primary, if not only, sources of this idea that Mandela was a communist originated from his enemies, from an evil sadistic apartheid regime initially, and now only from right wing blogs and websites, some of which are apartheid throwbacks and otherwise racist in orientation. All seems measured to discredit all the good the man did and undo his reputation and undermine progress.

There is a great deal written about and on the life of Nelson Mandela,many pages that seem to be hand written by Mendela.

The man was not this peaceful loving man that he is portrayed to be. He encouraged the use of violence and terrorism.He was tired in part for terroristic acts.

You claim the negative is all from his enemies. A good way to dismiss those that disagree with you.

Were there good things he accomplished?Yes Were there bad things he was responsible for? Yes