JoeMo Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Great post, MT. I totally agree with your assessment of Jay-Z's rapping abilities. I was thinking the same thing as you stated when I was watching their performance - "They're married"; and I wasn't offended. My kids were watching it with me; but they are 20 and 22 years old; so I didn't find it inappropriate. I wonder - why are we more OK with letting our young people witness graphic violence (which is NOT part of a normal life); on TV; but uncomfortable with people expressing sexuality (which is a normal part of life)? I was impressed with Lorde's performance. For a 16 or 17 year old, she's got a great voice. phkrause 1 Quote
M. T. Cross Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Lorde was very impressive, she has a very unique musical mind as well. Quote
Members phkrause Posted January 31, 2014 Members Posted January 31, 2014 I understand what your saying JoeMo, but would you allow your young children to watch you having sex in bed?? Even though as you say, its natural, but still there has to be some limits! Sorry but I can't agree. Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
bonnie Posted January 31, 2014 Author Posted January 31, 2014 Regarding the performances...... So I watched the Beyonce and Jay-Z one last night. While I can understand that some people feel that it was a highly sexualized song and performance and be offended by that, I would offer another point of view. It was a performance by a married couple. A couple that has been together for a while, and who's highly sexualized performance was about being with each other - their legal, rings and wedding ceremony spouse. So in a way they are promoting marital values. I think the most offensive thing about it was that they let Jay-Z have a mic. May be a marketing genius and a music mogul, but he is really a horrible rapper. It is quite a stretch to claim they were promoting marital values. You have a cynical view of Natalie Grant and yet can put the idea out there that this performance by a married couple was promoting marital values. Since when is the intimate side of marriage a spectator sport for publicity and profit? Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
bonnie Posted January 31, 2014 Author Posted January 31, 2014 I was thinking the same thing as you stated when I was watching their performance - "They're married"; and I wasn't offended. My kids were watching it with me; but they are 20 and 22 years old; so I didn't find it inappropriate. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
JoeMo Posted January 31, 2014 Posted January 31, 2014 Don't get me wrong pk - the sex act is still a VERY private matter. I'm not promoting putting more sex on TV; I just think it's kinda wierd that people are more comfortable letting their kids learn about beating people up, torturing them, and killing them than letting them learn about sex. No I wouldn't want my kids watching me having sex; but I wouldn't want them watching me beat someone to death either. Quote
bonnie Posted January 31, 2014 Author Posted January 31, 2014 Don't get me wrong pk - the sex act is still a VERY private matter. I'm not promoting putting more sex on TV; I just think it's kinda wierd that people are more comfortable letting their kids learn about beating people up, torturing them, and killing them than letting them learn about sex. No I wouldn't want my kids watching me having sex; but I wouldn't want them watching me beat someone to death either. Was this somehow a either or that has to be chosen from? I didn't see anywhere that someone was advocating violence rather than watching graphic sex. Maybe graphic sex can stand on it's own merits or lack of just as graphic violence. Most that I know personally that don't have a problem with graphic violence don't have a problem with graphic sex Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Members phkrause Posted January 31, 2014 Members Posted January 31, 2014 Don't get me wrong pk - the sex act is still a VERY private matter. I'm not promoting putting more sex on TV; I just think it's kinda wierd that people are more comfortable letting their kids learn about beating people up, torturing them, and killing them than letting them learn about sex. No I wouldn't want my kids watching me having sex; but I wouldn't want them watching me beat someone to death either. So are you saying that watching that show, the grammys, that someone would go away saying that they've learned something about sex? Because that's what I'm taking away from this post! Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
JoeMo Posted February 1, 2014 Posted February 1, 2014 No; I'm saying that it was sexual (and somewhat occult); but that's no worse than the violence on other programs; and the grammys shouldn't be singled out as having a bad influence on people. At any rate, this conversation is getting way off topic. Sorry about that. Bottom line is that I'm OK with Natalie walking out of the grammy's, whatever her reason. I would have been OK if she didn't walk out of the Grammy's. It shouldn't be a big deal over why she did. She has her standards and she was true to them. I myself have walked out of performances because they were out of my comfort zone. I have also walked out on sermons for the same reason. Quote
fccool Posted February 1, 2014 Posted February 1, 2014 I actually walked out of Christian concerts because they were incredibly loud... but, to be fair, I really don't like modern live pop music for that reason. There's the need to blast the roof off, and my ears can't survive it. That's actually coming from a guy who wrote electronic rock music. phkrause 1 Quote
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted February 1, 2014 Members Posted February 1, 2014 I agree with M.T. about Natalie's behavior of walking out on the Grammy's was her subsequent tweeting about her reason. That's what's made the whole thing an issue. As for the Beyonce performance... well... I watched it just now to see what she and hubby did. First thought that came to my mind was, "she's sure got a big butt"... then, "you'd never catch me wearing that outfit" .... then, "what's he saying?" I thought it was rather inane, frankly. But then, I'm not a connoisseur of today's popular music or apparel... Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
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