QUESTION 1 for YOU - IF YOU BELIEVE JESUS is GOD

[Bible Jim]

Why do you believe Jesus is God, when you can read

word for word in the Book of Numbers,

Chapter 23, 19: God is not a man, that he should lie;

neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said,

and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken,

and shall he not make it good?

Do you believe this or is this a lie?

1. Jesus was a man.

2. Jesus was a son of man.

Is everything in this verse from the Bible...TRUE?

Yes or no?

Chapter 23, 19: God is not a man, that he should lie;

neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said,

and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken,

and shall he not make it good?

Please do not write me back giving me your theories or doctrine

or explanations of your opinions or theories of your explanations.

Just answer the questions

I presented to you as they are written.

[Johann]

Have you not read:

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Isaiah 28:10

For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

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[M. T. Cross]

Jesus was a demi God, born both or a God and of human flesh.

[Gail]

Do you think you can understand who and what God is? Good luck on that one!

[JoeMo]

"Proof texts" prove nothing. "Context" of scripture is that Jesus is God. My study and personal experiences with Jesus confirm that He is God.

[LifeHiscost]

"Proof texts" prove nothing. "Context" of scripture is that Jesus is God. My study and personal experiences with Jesus confirm that He is God.

"Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?"John 14:9 NKJV

"In the beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself.

He was present originally with God.

All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him was not even one thing made that has come into being."John 1:1-3 AMP parenthesis brackets theirs' LHC

God/Jesus saves!

[LifeHiscost]

Jesus was a demi God, born both or a God and of human flesh.

"Let these my words, with which I have made supplication before the Lord, be near to the Lord our God day and night, that He may maintain the cause and right of His servant and of His people Israel as each day requires,

That all the earth’s people may know that the Lord is God and that there is no other.

Let your hearts therefore be blameless and wholly true to the Lord our God, to walk in His statutes and to keep His commandments, as today."1 Kings 8:59-61 AMP

God cares! Jesus saves!

[Bible Jim]

BIBLE JIM

IN JOHN chapter 1 verses 1--2--3--14

I will not try to write all these verse but here is the context

JESUS who is call the word was with GOD the FATHER from the beginning

and then the bible says that the word (JESUS) became flesh and dwelt

among us---FLESH means ( people or human beings)

so JESUS who was GOD was also human

dgrimm60

Is God still a human? Yes or no?

[JoeMo]

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Is God still a human? Yes or no?

Christians (for the most part) believe in a triune God, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit. Those who do not believe in a triune God usually reject the Holy Spirit as a Person; they view Him more as a "power".

God the Father is entirely God; always has been and always will be.

The being that became Jesus was "begotten" (as opposed to being created); which to me means He was made out of the same "God stuff" as the Father. Before He was Jesus, the son of man, He was the visible being with whom humans interacted in the OT. When this being became Jesus, the Son of God; He left His "God stuff" in heaven and indeed became a human (while remaining God") - it defies logic and rational explanation; but some things will have to wait for eternity to be explained). It wasn't until Jesus returned to heaven that He got His "God stuff" back. So He was God; then God-man; and now He's God again (although He will always retain His humanity, as well). At least that's how I see it.

[JoeMo]

I believe that the being who became Jesus was the being referred to in Daniel 3:25 as "like the Son of God". I also believe that He was the being referred to frequently in the OT as "the angel of the Lord".

In the NT, even though He was human, He was also fully God (had to be - He allowed people to worship Him).

I can't rationally wrap my mind around it; but if I believe the Bible is God's Word, I gotta go with what I think God's Word says - understanding it or not. I think some spiritual truths are more intuitive than rational.

[M. T. Cross]

Is God still a human? Yes or no?

I think maybe 1% of ALL the Gods may have started off as humans. Now if you take into account the sheer number of Gods in the Hindu pantheons 1% is made that much more significantly insignificant.

Humans are not Gods. We simply aren't.

Here is an absolutely wonderful blog pos...humans and Gods

So the question is this. Did one part of the Biblical pantheon chose to incarnate as a human? If so did he retain his godhood while a human? Did he go back to being a God after his human experience was done?

Or did one of the Biblical pantheon impregnate a young woman (which if you look at the stories of the Gods in that area at that time was pretty common) and the demi God offspring became a great teacher and eventually joined his father?

So you see Bible Jim, its just not as simple as yes or no. There are many possibilities and variations. Why don't you tell us what YOU think or believe and then we can have an adult discussion about it.

[JoeMo]

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So you see Bible Jim, its just not as simple as yes or no. There are many possibilities and variations. Why don't you tell us what YOU think or believe and then we can have an adult discussion about it.

I also liked your blog post. I agree with most of it. The differences are in the details of our different "religions" so to speak. I think I could come up with bible references to support most of what you said.

[Bible Jim]

BIBLE JIM

IN JOHN chapter 1 verses 1--2--3--14

I will not try to write all these verse but here is the context

JESUS who is call the word was with GOD the FATHER from the beginning

and then the bible says that the word (JESUS) became flesh and dwelt

among us---FLESH means ( people or human beings)

so JESUS who was GOD was also human

dgrimm60

You believe,

that God, the Living Lord God.

Made Himself into a man,

with the help of a woman.

And then called Himself,

the son of man,

the only begotten

Son of God

True or false?

[Sojourner]

Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, says the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty".

Sounds pretty reasonable, Jehovah is the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. At least that is who He declares Himself to be in the King James Version.

Revelation 21:6-7 "Then He said to me, "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give to the one who thirsts from the spring of the water of life without cost. "He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son".

I will be his God and he will be My Son. Again, pure SDA theology there.

Isaiah also speaks on the subject,

Isaiah 44:6 - "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: `I am the first and I am the last, And there is no God besides Me.

I am the First and I am the Last, and there is no God besides Me. - total agreement there, that is a good description of Jehovah.

Isaiah 48:12 "Listen to Me, O Jacob, even Israel whom I called; I am He, I am the first, I am also the last".

Second reference that states openly from Isaiah that Jehovah is the First and the Last.

So who then does Jesus say He is in respect to Numbers 23:19, is he a man or a son of man?

Lets have a look at what Revelation 1:17-18 has to say on this very subject,

Revelation 1:17-18 "When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, "Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.

"I am the First and the Last, the Living One and I was Dead and behold I am Alive for Evermore"

If Jehovah is the First and the Last as described above, when did Jehovah Die?

Was it not Jesus that died on the cross..?

When did Jehovah die Bible Jim?

[M. T. Cross]

You believe,

that God, the Living Lord God.

Made Himself into a man,

with the help of a woman.

And then called Himself,

the son of man,

the only begotten

Son of God

True or false?

Oh lets all just say true to see if Bible Jimmy gets to an actual point here.

[JoeMo]

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Oh lets all just say true to see if Bible Jimmy gets to an actual point here.

I agree. you're requesting answers to all sorts of riddles here; yet you tell us nothing about yourself or your beliefs. Are you a Jehovah's Witness? Are you a member of the Church of Jim?

[M. T. Cross]

I also liked your blog post. I agree with most of it.

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[Gregory Matthews]

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I think maybe 1% of ALL the Gods may have started off as humans. Now if you take into account the sheer number of Gods in the Hindu pantheons 1% is made that much more significantly insignificant.

Humans are not Gods. We simply aren't.

The gods in the Hindu pantheon has been estimated at 360,000,000.

[M. T. Cross]

Yeah its all kinda complicated with the Hindu pantheon and get more so when it starts crossing over into other cultural religions with the same deities.

[Ron Amnsn]

Christians (for the most part) believe in a triune God, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

[Dr. Waite]

Why do you believe Jesus is God, when you can read

word for word in the Book of Numbers,

Chapter 23, 19: God is not a man, that he should lie;

neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said,

and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken,

and shall he not make it good?

Do you believe this or is this a lie?

1. Jesus was a man.

2. Jesus was a son of man.

Is everything in this verse from the Bible...TRUE?

Yes or no?

Chapter 23, 19: God is not a man, that he should lie;

neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said,

and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken,

and shall he not make it good?

Please do not write me back giving me your theories or doctrine

or explanations of your opinions or theories of your explanations.

Just answer the questions

I presented to you as they are written.

Hebrews 1:1-9:

"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Who being the brightness of [his] glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son? And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. But unto the Son [he saith], Thy throne, O God, [is] for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness [is] the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, [even] thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows."

Hebrews 2:9-11:

"But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. For it became him, for whom [are] all things, and by whom [are] all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified [are] all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,"

[Johann]

Beautiful texts, Dr. Waite.

[JoeMo]

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Beautiful texts, Dr. Waite.

Agreed - some of thest texts available defining Jesus as God. Those are some of the key passages that persuaded me to turn away from the JW's.

[Aliensanctuary]

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1. Jesus was a man.

2. Jesus was a son of man.

Although YHVH, aka "God", is not made of flesh and blood as we are, the person he calls his son was no different from us except that he was able to communicate telepathically with his "father", via prayer, that is. YHVH spoke to humans through his son, and via his Spirit, he used Jesus to heal the sick and forgive sins. The words Christ spoke, then, were the words of YHVH, his father.

Jesus, as a son of man, then, indicates that he was merely human, not the non-human blazing being of energy that his father, or creator, is. Christ's destiny: to rule the Restored Kingdom of New Earth in the place of Adam, who forfeited this position.

[JoeMo]

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he was able to communicate telepathically with his "father", via prayer, that is. YHVH spoke to humans through his son, and via his Spirit

Through His indwelling Holy Spirit, we have the same access to the Father as Jesus did. We just don't "practice" listening to the still small voice enough to be able to consistently discern God's voice from the other "voices" in our head.

Another problem is that we always ask God to bless what we are doing, rather than doing what God is already blessing.

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Christ's destiny: to rule the Restored Kingdom of New Earth in the place of Adam, who forfeited this position.

Well said!