About The 70-Week Prophecy

[hch]

The issue is where to start and where to end the count.

Starting the count with 2012,

Year 1 is 2012

Year 2 is 2013

Year 3 is 2014

...

Year 14 is 2025

Year 15 is 2026

Year 16 is 2027

 

Counting the age, when one is born 201 2, He is 15 years old come 2027.

Hope you understand this simple grade school lesson in reckoning time periods.

 

Thanks for your prayer for me, my brother. Looks like you needed that more than I do. I'll FAST & PRAY for you.

 

Samie,

 

You have a theory and you are twisting the facts to fit your theory.

 

When your Sunday to Sunday 8 day hypothesis was debunked by the Sabbath to Sabbath 7 day truth,

you did not repent, but found my counting method in error.

 

Thus you continue to try to change the truth about AD 27 that is affirmed in the Spirit of Prophecy

into a lie.

 

God is not the Father of lies.

 

Isaiah 8:20 condems what you are doing because there is No light in it.

 

And I hope that the Holy Spirit will lead you from error.

[8thdaypriest]

Daniel 12:11  "From the time that the daily is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand thwo hundred and inety days."  "Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days." 

 

Could the daily be "taken away" and the Abom. of Desol. be "set up" virtually at the same time - on the same day??  And from that day it will be 1290 days till the SC.

 

The 1395 fascinates me.  Jesus said that we would eat the Passover with Him in the Kingdom.  The law said that one could eat the Passover 30 days later, if one was on a journey, or was unclean because of a dead body at the Nissan 14 Passover.  We would certainly be "on a journey" if we leave this earth just at the Passover. 

[hch]

Daniel 12:11  "From the time that the daily is taken away, and the abomination of desolation is set up, there shall be one thousand thwo hundred and inety days."  "Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the one thousand three hundred and thirty-five days." 

 

Could the daily be "taken away" and the Abom. of Desol. be "set up" virtually at the same time - on the same day??  And from that day it will be 1290 days till the SC.

 

The 1395 fascinates me.  Jesus said that we would eat the Passover with Him in the Kingdom.  The law said that one could eat the Passover 30 days later, if one was on a journey, or was unclean because of a dead body at the Nissan 14 Passover.  We would certainly be "on a journey" if we leave this earth just at the Passover. 

 

Hey Rachel,

 

The word daily is poorly translated. It could have been rendered as it was elsewhere:

AV-continually 53, continual 26, daily 7, always 6, alway 4, ever 3, perpetual 2, continual employment 1, evermore 1, never 1; 104

 

Daniel is supplemented by Revelation.

 

In Revelation 13 the one who continues is identified.

 

"And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months" (13:5).

 

President Bush II set up an abomination that desolates on 9/20/01.

 

Pope John-Paul II died 2 April 2005.

 

Use this information to solve the math posed by Daniel 12:11 & 12

 

Christian regards

 

 

 

[8thdaypriest]

I was aware of the meanings given for "continual". 

My favorite scenario is the one in which a 3rd Temple is restored on the Mount, and animal sacrifice resumed. 

Then the New World Government decides they must internationalize the Mount to prevent Middle East War, so "the nations" (As in United Nations) take over the Old City of Jerusalem including the Temple Mount.  The courtyard is "given to the nations". 

 

They use Isa. 56:7 to say "My House shall be called a house of prayer for all people."  So the rebuilt Temple is internationalized to include Muslims/Jews and Christians (perhaps on different days).  This all in an effort to END religious wars. 

 

The Pope is chosen to represent "the nations" because he can be a mediator between Christians/Jews/Muslims. 

The Pope then stands in the Temple court, saying that he is the spokesman for God, and the world's religions.

 

That scenario is my favorite so far.

 

Rachel Cory

Prophecy Viewpoint

[hch]

I was aware of the meanings given for "continual". 

My favorite scenario is the one in which a 3rd Temple is restored on the Mount, and animal sacrifice resumed. 

Then the New World Government decides they must internationalize the Mount to prevent Middle East War, so "the nations" (As in United Nations) take over the Old City of Jerusalem including the Temple Mount.  The courtyard is "given to the nations". 

 

They use Isa. 56:7 to say "My House shall be called a house of prayer for all people."  So the rebuilt Temple is internationalized to include Muslims/Jews and Christians (perhaps on different days).  This all in an effort to END religious wars. 

 

The Pope is chosen to represent "the nations" because he can be a mediator between Christians/Jews/Muslims. 

The Pope then stands in the Temple court, saying that he is the spokesman for God, and the world's religions.

 

That scenario is my favorite so far.

 

Rachel Cory

Prophecy Viewpoint

 

Hey Rachel,

 

I do not know if you read EGW. But she clearly states that there will not be a third temple. So I don't give it any possibility.

 

But from the time that GW set up his abomination of desolation on 9/20/01

(In a speech to congress he declared that Muslim teachings were good:

they teach that salvation is possible without Christ, which is an abomination to God

and will result in the destruction of those who believe it)

 

After GW's abomination of desolation there were 1290-days until the one who continues

 

and 35 days later (May 17, 2005), the blessing came when a British tabloid revealed that

GW had fixed (altered) intellegence to take America to war in Iraq.

 

Thus the fulfillment of Daniel 12:11-12 was understaning:

 

GW had set up the Abomination of Desolation 9/20/01

John-Paul II is the continual that was taken away 1290-days later 2 April 2005

And GW was on record as being a liar 1335-days after 9/20/01 on 17 May 2005,

so his apostate teachings about Islam was no more trustworthy than his call to war with Iraq.

 

Christian regards

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

I get really tired of Bush-bashing.  Any POTUS, PMOGB, PMOA, MP, CFOSDAD, CPOSDAC POCC, etc, could be set up as being listed as a person in biblical prophecy, if someone tried hard enough.  

 

(don't ask me to define the abbreviations....I probably won't remember them all)  

[hch]

I get really tired of Bush-bashing.  Any POTUS, PMOGB, PMOA, MP, CFOSDAD, CPOSDAC POCC, etc, could be set up as being listed as a person in biblical prophecy, if someone tried hard enough.  

 

(don't ask me to define the abbreviations....I probably won't remember them all)  

 

 

Hey rudywoofs,

 

The good news is that God is not a respector of persons. Obama is a continuation of GW.

And as America's last president (according to Daniel 7,8, 11, etc) we have not seen anything yet.

 

What GW started BO will finish according to Daniel and Revelation's prophecy.

 

But of course that is not how everybody reads the prophecies. And not everybody

can claim to have predicted in September 2012 that Pope Benedict would leave office

by the spring of 2013. So for the record I will stand by my prophetic understanding

until such time as more light comes.

 

But prophetic understanding is not intended for everyone...

 

Christian regards

[Samie]

Samie,

 

You have a theory and you are twisting the facts to fit your theory.

 

When your Sunday to Sunday 8 day hypothesis was debunked by the Sabbath to Sabbath 7 day truth,

you did not repent, but found my counting method in error.

 

Thus you continue to try to change the truth about AD 27 that is affirmed in the Spirit of Prophecy

into a lie.

 

God is not the Father of lies.

 

Isaiah 8:20 condems what you are doing because there is No light in it.

 

And I hope that the Holy Spirit will lead you from error.

Not twisting facts, brother; it is called "correcting" your error. You know how to count but you don't apply it correctly when it debunks your FALSE belief.

 

The issue is the nth day starting from day 1.  So FROM Saturday - day 1, to the next Saturday, nth day.

Saturday, day 1

Sunday, day 2

Monday, day 3

Tuesday, day 4

Wednesday, day 5

Thursday, day 6

Friday, day 7

Saturday, day 8.

 

If TRUTH can't open your eyes, what will?

[hch]

Not twisting facts, brother; it is called "correcting" your error. You know how to count but you don't apply it correctly when it debunks your FALSE belief.

 

The issue is the nth day starting from day 1.  So FROM Saturday - day 1, to the next Saturday, nth day.

Saturday, day 1

Sunday, day 2

Monday, day 3

Tuesday, day 4

Wednesday, day 5

Thursday, day 6

Friday, day 7

Saturday, day 8.

 

If TRUTH can't open your eyes, what will?

 

Brother Samie,

 

From your chart, Seventh-day Aventists who go to church on the Seventh Day would go on Friday.

And if they should go on Friday that week, the next week it would be Thursday and so forth.

 

That is not correcting an error it is compounding an error to make it worse the more you distort the facts.

 

You would do well to look at the Seventh-day model (Sunday to Sabbath)

And consider the Spirit of Prophecy that confirms AD 27

and pray that God would lead you to truth.

 

Christian regards,

[Samie]

Brother Samie,

 

From your chart, Seventh-day Aventists who go to church on the Seventh Day would go on Friday.

And if they should go on Friday that week, the next week it would be Thursday and so forth.

 

That is not correcting an error it is compounding an error to make it worse the more you distort the facts.

 

You would do well to look at the Seventh-day model (Sunday to Sabbath)

And consider the Spirit of Prophecy that confirms AD 27

and pray that God would lead you to truth.

 

Christian regards,

 

You insist on your error, Bro.

 

We normally count the weekdays starting from Sunday as day 1.  Starting from Sunday, the 7th day is Saturday, as Scriptures say. But it seems you don't want Scriptures by insisting to start the count from Saturday.

 

Now that you are shown that your erroneous theory on AD 27 is Biblically untenable, you run to the SOP for shelter. Here's what the SOP offers you:

"There is no excuse for any one in taking the position that there is no more truth to be revealed, and that all our expositions of Scripture are without an error. The fact that certain doctrines have been held as truth for many years by our people, is not a proof that our ideas are infallible. Age will not make error into truth, and truth can afford to be fair. No true doctrine will lose anything by close investigation." {RH December 20, 1892, par. 1}

 

Again, the 70 weeks of Dan 9, like all other prophecies directly related with the setting up of the abomination of desolation, will find fulfillment shortly before the 2nd Coming, as gleaned from the words of our Master Teacher Himself (Matt 24:15-31).

 

Please do pray to NOT continually resist the leading of the Holy Spirit Who guides us into truth.

[hch]

You insist on your error, Bro.

 

We normally count the weekdays starting from Sunday as day 1.  Starting from Sunday, the 7th day is Saturday, as Scriptures say. But it seems you don't want Scriptures by insisting to start the count from Saturday.

 

Now that you are shown that your erroneous theory on AD 27 is Biblically untenable, you run to the SOP for shelter. Here's what the SOP offers you:

 

Again, the 70 weeks of Dan 9, like all other prophecies directly related with the setting up of the abomination of desolation, will find fulfillment shortly before the 2nd Coming, as gleaned from the words of our Master Teacher Himself (Matt 24:15-31).

 

Please do pray to NOT continually resist the leading of the Holy Spirit Who guides us into truth.

 

Brother Samie,

 

You try to shackle me with your error.

 

You are the one that wrote [Posted 13 September 2014 - 09:11 AM post #41]:

 

The issue is the nth day starting from day 1.  So FROM Saturday - day 1, to the next Saturday, nth day.

Saturday, day 1

Sunday, day 2

Monday, day 3

Tuesday, day 4

Wednesday, day 5

Thursday, day 6

Friday, day 7

Saturday, day 8.

 

Then you say above:

We normally count the weekdays starting from Sunday as day 1.  Starting from Sunday, the 7th day is Saturday, as Scriptures say. But it seems you don't want Scriptures by insisting to start the count from Saturday

 

But in your example of how we should count you started your counting on Saturday to make Saturday as day 8.

 

Thus you are mixing truth and error giving contradicting facts (so called).

 

use the right measurement to count and you will arrive at the right answer whether it is the days of the week or the years for a king's rule or the years from your birth. Use the wrong measure and you will come up with the wrong answer. And when people see you are counting correctly, they will believe you. When they see that you are twisting the facts to fit what you want to believe, they will let you believe what you want and not listen to anything.

 

Christian regards,

[Samie]

Bro Henry;

 

You are shackling yourself with your own error. I merely showed you how your counting logic is erroneous.

 

Sunday is the 1st day and Saturday is the 7th day. From Sunday, the 7th day is Saturday. That's since Creation.  The biblical counting of days starts from 1, NOT 0.

 

But you want your count to start with 0, so that from 12 AD, you end up with 27 AD in an attempt to force-fit your reckoning with the Biblical specs of the 15th year of Tiberius' reign.  And when I showed you your erroneous count, you end up labeling me with you-know-what.