Myth of Arctic Meltdown: Stunning Satellite Images Show Summer Ice Cap

[bonnie]

Myth of Arctic Meltdown: Stunning Satellite Images Show Summer Ice Cap is Thicker and Covers 1.7million Square Kilometres MORE than 2 years ago...despite Al Gore's prediction it would be ICE-FREE by now

Seven years after former US Vice-President Al Gore's warning, Arctic ice cap has expanded for second year in row

An area twice the size of Alaska - America's biggest state - was open water two years ago and is now covered in ice

These satellite images taken from University of Illinois's Cryosphere project show ice has become more concentrated

The speech by former US Vice-President Al Gore was apocalyptic. ‘The North Polar ice cap is falling off a cliff,’ he said. ‘It could be completely gone in summer in as little as seven years. Seven years from now.’

Those comments came in 2007 as Mr Gore accepted the Nobel Peace Prize for his campaigning on climate change.

But seven years after his warning, The Mail on Sunday can reveal that, far from vanishing, the Arctic ice cap has expanded for the second year in succession – with a surge, depending on how you measure it, of between 43 and 63 per cent since 2012.

To put it another way, an area the size of Alaska, America’s biggest state, was open water two years ago, but is again now covered by ice.

The most widely used measurements of Arctic ice extent are the daily satellite readings issued by the US National Snow and Ice Data Center, which is co-funded by Nasa. These reveal that – while the long-term trend still shows a decline – last Monday, August 25, the area of the Arctic Ocean with at least 15 per cent ice cover was 5.62 million square kilometres.

This was the highest level recorded on that date since 2006 (see graph, right), and represents an increase of 1.71 million square kilometres over the past two years – an impressive 43 per cent.

Other figures from the Danish Meteorological Institute suggest that the growth has been even more dramatic. Using a different measure, the area with at least 30 per cent ice cover, these reveal a 63 per cent rise – from 2.7 million to 4.4 million square kilometres.

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The satellite images published here are taken from a further authoritative source, the University of Illinois’s Cryosphere project.

They show that as well as becoming more extensive, the ice has grown more concentrated, with the purple areas – denoting regions where the ice pack is most dense – increasing markedly.

Crucially, the ice is also thicker, and therefore more resilient to future melting. Professor Andrew Shepherd, of Leeds University, an expert in climate satellite monitoring, said yesterday: ‘It is clear from the measurements we have collected that the Arctic sea ice has experienced a significant recovery in thickness over the past year.

‘It seems that an unusually cool summer in 2013 allowed more ice to survive through to last winter. This means that the Arctic sea ice pack is thicker and stronger than usual, and this should be taken into account when making predictions of its future extent.’

The speech by former US Vice-President Al Gore (above) was apocalyptic. He said that the North Polar ice cap is falling off a cliff and could be gone in seven years

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The speech by former US Vice-President Al Gore was apocalyptic. He said that the North Polar ice cap is falling off a cliff and could be gone in seven years

Yet for years, many have been claiming that the Arctic is in an ‘irrevocable death spiral’, with imminent ice-free summers bound to trigger further disasters. These include gigantic releases of methane into the atmosphere from frozen Arctic deposits, and accelerated global warming caused by the fact that heat from the sun will no longer be reflected back by the ice into space.

Judith Curry, professor of earth and atmospheric sciences at Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta, said last night: ‘The Arctic sea ice spiral of death seems to have reversed.’

Those who just a few years ago were warning of ice-free summers by 2014 included US Secretary of State John Kerry, who made the same bogus prediction in 2009, while Mr Gore has repeated it numerous times – notably in a speech to world leaders at the UN climate conference in Copenhagen in 2009, in an effort to persuade them to agree a new emissions treaty.

The ice cap is falling off a cliff. It could be completely gone in summer in as little as 7 years from now

Mr Gore – whose office yesterday failed to respond to a request for comment – insisted then: ‘There is a 75 per cent chance that the entire polar ice cap during some of the summer months could be completely ice-free within five to seven years.’

Misleading as such forecasts are, some people continue to make them. Only last month, while giving evidence to a House of Lords Select Committee inquiry on the Arctic, Cambridge University’s Professor Peter Wadhams claimed that although the Arctic is not ice-free this year, it will be by September 2015.

Asked about this yesterday, he said: ‘I still think that it is very likely that by mid-September 2015, the ice area will be less than one million square kilometres – the official designation of ice-free, implying only a fringe of floes around the coastlines. That is where the trend is taking us.’

For that prediction to come true it would require by far the fastest loss of ice in history. It would also fly in the face of a report last year by the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which stated with ‘medium confidence’ that ice levels would ‘likely’ fall below one million square kilometres by 2050.

Politicians such as Al Gore have often insisted that climate science is ‘settled’ and have accused those who question their forecasts of being climate change ‘deniers’.

However, while few scientists doubt that carbon-dioxide emissions cause global warming, and that this has caused Arctic ice to decline, there remains much uncertainty about the speed of melting and how much of it is due to human activity. But outside the scientific community, the more pessimistic views have attracted most attention. For example, Prof Wadhams’s forecasts have been cited widely by newspapers and the BBC. But many reject them.

An area twice the size of Alaska was open water two years ago and is now covered in ice after the arctic ice cap has expanded for the second year in a row

An area twice the size of Alaska was open water two years ago and is now covered in ice after the arctic ice cap has expanded for the second year in a row

Yesterday Dr Ed Hawkins, who leads an Arctic ice research team at Reading University, said: ‘Peter Wadhams’s views are quite extreme compared to the views of many other climate scientists, and also compared to what the IPCC report says.’

Dr Hawkins warned against reading too much into ice increase over the past two years on the grounds that 2012 was an ‘extreme low’, triggered by freak weather.

‘I’m uncomfortable with the idea of people saying the ice has bounced back,’ he said.

However, Dr Hawkins added that the decline seen in recent years was not caused only by global warming. It was, he said, intensified by ‘natural variability’ – shifts in factors such as the temperature of the oceans. This, he said, has happened before, such as in the 1920s and 1930s, when ‘there was likely some sea ice retreat’.

Dr Hawkins said: ‘There is undoubtedly some natural variability on top of the long-term downwards trend caused by the overall warming. This variability has probably contributed somewhat to the post-2000 steep declining trend, although the human-caused component still dominates.’

Like many scientists, Dr Hawkins said these natural processes may be cyclical. If and when they go into reverse, they will cool, not warm, the Arctic, in which case, he said, ‘a decade with no declining trend’ in ice cover would be ‘entirely plausible’.

Peer-reviewed research suggests that at least until 2005, natural variability was responsible for half the ice decline. But exactly how big its influence is remains an open question – and as both Dr Hawkins and Prof Curry agreed, establishing this is critical to making predictions about the Arctic’s future.

Prof Curry said: ‘I suspect that the portion of the decline in the sea ice attributable to natural variability could be even larger than half.

‘I think the natural variability component of Arctic sea ice extent is in the process of bottoming out, with a reversal to start within the next decade. And when it does, the reversal period could last for several decades.’

This led her to believe that the IPCC forecast, like Al Gore’s, was too pessimistic.

‘Ice-free in 2050 is a possible scenario, but I don’t think it is a likely scenario,’ she concluded.

GOOD NEWS FOR POLAR BEARS...

The apparent recovery in Arctic ice looks like good news for polar bears.

If there is more ice at the end of the summer, they can hunt seals more easily. Yet even when the ice reached a low point in 2012, there was no scientific evidence that bear numbers were declining, with their estimated total of 20,000 to 25,000 thought to be higher than in the 1970s, when hunting was first banned.

In many Arctic regions, say scientists, they are in robust health and breeding successfully.

Computer model predictions of decline caused by ice melt have also failed to come true. In 2004, researchers claimed Hudson Bay bear numbers would fall from 900 to fewer than 700 by 2011. In fact, they have risen to over 1,000.

However, the main international bear science body, the Polar Bear Specialist Group, admits it has no reliable data from almost half of the Arctic, so cannot say whether numbers are falling or rising.

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[fccool]

Well, we are in a second year towards the Sun 11 year cycle low. There's a correlation between sun cycles and ice build up and melting.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/07/18/re...r-cycle-length/

Likewise, Al Gore eaten crow a while ago on this issue and went into hiding. It doesn't mean that there are no legitimate concerns of CO2 accumulation, and the legitimacy of the moderate view on this subject.

Articles like these take the FOX NEWS approach of "well, it's snowing where I'm at, therefore the world is not warming". I think that we can avoid both sides of extremism, and talk about this issue rationally.

[hch]

Well, we are in a second year towards the Sun 11 year cycle low. There's a correlation between sun cycles and ice build up and melting.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/07/18/re...r-cycle-length/

Likewise, Al Gore eaten crow a while ago on this issue and went into hiding. It doesn't mean that there are no legitimate concerns of CO2 accumulation, and the legitimacy of the moderate view on this subject.

Articles like these take the FOX NEWS approach of "well, it's snowing where I'm at, therefore the world is not warming". I think that we can avoid both sides of extremism, and talk about this issue rationally.

 

Since we are fast approaching the end of the time of trouble, the 7 last plagues will soon be a reality.

 

One of those plagues is that the sun will be hotter and burning folks.

 

So if there is no global warming, it must be a supernatural manifestation.

 

But if global warming is deduced to be the culpret, the world can explain away the plague when it comes.

 

Thus God will allow those that destroy the world to reap what they have sown

 

and the world can and will explain away the plague by affirming that global warming is here.

 

We have not seen the end of this issue.

[JoeMo]

hch says, "Since we are fast approaching the end of the time of trouble, the 7 last plagues will soon be a reality."

 

Do you really think so?  I don't think it has even started yet.  No economic collapse (although i think one is imminent), no revealed antichrist, no worldwide persecution,no unexplainable celestial phenomena, no famines, or diseases that threaten the imminaent death of 1/3 of all things,  the church is still in defensive mode rather than in the streets proclaiming the good news...

 

This is probably not the thread to discuss this, but why do you think we're approaching the end of the time of trouble rather than the beginning?

[hch]

hch says, "Since we are fast approaching the end of the time of trouble, the 7 last plagues will soon be a reality."

 

Do you really think so?  I don't think it has even started yet.  No economic collapse (although i think one is imminent), no revealed antichrist, no worldwide persecution,no unexplainable celestial phenomena, no famines, or diseases that threaten the imminaent death of 1/3 of all things,  the church is still in defensive mode rather than in the streets proclaiming the good news...

 

This is probably not the thread to discuss this, but why do you think we're approaching the end of the time of trouble rather than the beginning?

I have no doubt that the little time of trouble has started. and the final time of jacob's trouble is not far off.

 

Then global warming will be the reason why folks curse God when the plague on the sun goes full strength.

 

So is our view of global warming bible based? Is it prophecy based? Or based on what we think or hope?

 

Start a thread with your question and we can discuss it.

[Bravus]

If I turned on the heater in my house, and it got hot, would I think the time of trouble was here?

 

Climate change is happening, it's real, we have contributed a large amount to it. We have turned on the heater.

Blaming God and calling it a supernatural 'plague' borders on blasphemy.

[Bravus]

The OP makes the common error of mistaking local weather for global climate. The warming pattern is overlaid on variations. This year was cooler in the Arctic that the record previous years. It is still warmer than most years in the historical record. To understand what is going on, we need to compare long term trends, not one snapshot.

An argument from ignorance of the most basic issue of all - what climate *is* - is not an argument at all. It's just ignorance.

[phkrause]

Excellent points Bravus

[Gregory Matthews]

Yes, Bonnie's article is interesting.  However, in truth, global warming predicts that the polar regions may at times grow larger in size as a result of global warming.  Global warming includes three potential aspects:  1) Warmer air typically carries more water (In the tropics it is typically more humid than in other areas.) than colder air.  2) Warmer air typically increases evaporation from the ocean.  3) Shrinkage of sea ice leads to an increased exposure of ocean water.  This leads to more evaporation and increased snowfall.  Therefore, global warming can lead to both increased warming and increased snowfall.  Depending on the geographic area and which dominates, global warming can, in the early stages,  produce both increased growth in the ice sheets and a decay in those ice sheets.

 

It is of interest to note that while land ice shrinkage does affect sea level, shrinkage of sea ice does not affect sea level.  This is due to the fact that sea ice is in equilibrium with the ocean on which it floats.

 

NOTE:  The information above has come from a NASA release.   I seemingly do not know how to quote material and post it in this new forum.  So, I have stated the above in my own words.

 

 

[hch]

If I turned on the heater in my house, and it got hot, would I think the time of trouble was here?

 

Climate change is happening, it's real, we have contributed a large amount to it. We have turned on the heater.

Blaming God and calling it a supernatural 'plague' borders on blasphemy.

 

Hey Bravus,

 

When Bible prophecy (Revelation 3) identifies the last church that thinks that it has need of nothing

 

When Bible prophecy (Daniel 7) identifies the last American President that the church cannot see

 

When Bible prophecy (Revelation 17) identifies the last pope that the church cannot see

 

And when the blind church cannot see it all coming to a climax with global warming setting

the stage for one of the last plagues that Revelation 16 clearly states that men will explain it away and curse God

 

"And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.

 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory" (Revelation 16:8-9).

 

Because we admit too late that we did it, men curse God for the plague.

 

That's how I read it

 

[CoAspen]

 

When Bible prophecy (Daniel 7) identifies the last American President that the church cannot see

 

When Bible prophecy (Revelation 17) identifies the last pope that the church cannot see

 

And when the blind church cannot see it all coming to a climax with global warming setting

the stage for one of the last plagues that Revelation 16 clearly states that men will explain it away and curse God

 

Can someone tell me which Bible says all of this? I have several versions and commentaries, but can find no such thing........help.....anyone.........

[fccool]

Can someone tell me which Bible says all of this? I have several versions and commentaries, but can find no such thing........help.....anyone.........

 

I'm guessing... the Camping/Jones translation

 

[Gregory Matthews]

CoAspen:  HCH's comment is a great example of eisegesis.

[Stan]

Eisegesis
Eisegesis (/ˌaɪsəˈdʒiːsəs/; from the Greek preposition εἰς "into" and the ending from the English word exegesis, which in turn is derived from ἐξηγεῖσθαι "to lead out") is the process of interpreting a text or portion of text in such a way that the process introduces one's own presuppositions, agendas, or biases into and onto the text. This is commonly referred to as reading into the text. The act is often used to "prove" a pre-held point of concern to the reader and to provide him or her with confirmation bias in accordance with his or her pre-held agenda. Eisegesis is best understood when contrasted with exegesis. While exegesis is the process of drawing out the meaning from a text in accordance with the context and discoverable meaning of its author, eisegesis occurs when a reader imposes his or her interpretation into and onto the text. As a result, exegesis tends to be objective when employed effectively while eisegesis is regarded as highly subjective.

[hch]

CoAspen:  HCH's comment is a great example of eisegesis.

 

Gregory,

 

If I understand you correctly, this is one of my examples of eisegesis (commonly referred to as reading into the text):

 

Pope Benedict XVI has but a very short time left (9/3/11)

 

#Pope Benedict XVI marks his last year with a Latin America trip that includes a visit to #Cuba (23 March 2012)

 

With Benedict XVI in his last year,

Who’s going to be the new pope? … (3 April 2012)

 

Is Pope Benedict going to be pope in 2013? (29 April 2012)

 

Months ago I tweeted that pope Benedict XVI is a short timer. Now Vatican power play is news! Y u b last 2 know?

(28 May 2012)

 

If Pope Benedict’s 8th year is really his 7th, his time ends before May 2013 (7 July 2012)

 

Pope Benedict’s 8th year is really his 7th, because his ascension year was John-Paul II’s last year.

Will Benedict XVI’s 7th year B his last (8 August 2012)

 

Pope #Benedict XVI As I read Daniel’s prophecy, 7’s number of completeness. His ascension year (zero) 2005.

He might last till spring 2013? (30 September 2012)

 

The Twitter archives have these Pope Benedict quotes on the dates cited (and since I cannot retweet myself, when the pope resigned I looked them up and tweeted them again citing the dates of the originals).

 

Using eisegesis, how was it possible to accurately tweet (check out my tweets in the Twitter archives) for and during the year and four months before Pope Benedict XVI resigned that he has a very short time left (September 2011); he is a short timer (May 2012); that 2012 is his last year (March & April 2012); that his time ends before May 2013 (July 2012); and that he might last till spring 2013? (30 September 2012) Those eight (before the fact) Pope Benedict XVI tweets have been proven to be true. As tweeted, Benedict XVI was a short timer. His last year to head the papacy was 2012. He resigned before May 2013, and he did not last in office until the spring 2013. Prophetic insight was accurately tweeted because it was understood from the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation. (Due to a 150-character limitation, Tweets may come across as being ambiguous: like Benedict’s 8^th year is really his 7^th, which could not be elaborated in Twitter’s limited format.)

 

Stan graciously provided this example: "Eisegesis is best understood when contrasted with exegesis. While exegesis is the process of drawing out the meaning from a text in accordance with the context and discoverable meaning of its author, eisegesis occurs when a reader imposes his or her interpretation into and onto the text. As a result, exegesis tends to be objective when employed effectively while eisegesis is regarded as highly subjective."

 

From exegesis (of Daniel & Revelation 17), I concluded 2012 was Benedict's last year, he might last till the spring of 2013.

 

Using the same methodology, I concluded:

 

When Bible prophecy (Revelation 3) identifies the last church that thinks that it has need of nothing

 

[Revelation 3:14 "unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans"  "The message to the Laodiceans is applicable to Seventh-day Adventists who have had great light and have not walked in the light." {2SM 66.2} ]

 

When Bible prophecy (Daniel 7) identifies the last American President that the church cannot see (Laodicea is blind)

 

[Daniel saw great beasts come from the sea (Daniel 7:2-7) Heaven explained the four beasts: "These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth" (7:17). Though Daniel saw sea-beasts, Heaven is expanding and explaining the meaning that is to be opened in the endtime as EARTH BEASTS. "Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased" (12:4) So to allow a meaning that was understood before the prophecy was unsealed in the endtime to be the endtime meaning is to accept a partial premature meaning as the final meaning before it is revealed. And when the earth in Revelation 13 is understood the "four kings, which shall arise out of the earth" (7:17) can be identified with no difficulty. (The difficulty is not in their identification, the difficulty is in having faith to believe the word of God and struggling with the historical partial view that is generally accepted as the final word on the subject.) ]

 

When Bible prophecy (Revelation 17) identifies the last pope that the church cannot see (Laodicea is blind)

 

[Pope Benedict was in office a "short space" The single pope papacy from 1929 through 2013 has ended. There are now 2 popes and soon to be 3.]

 

But if my exegesis is to be labeled as eisegesis without looking at the facts or asking intelligent questions, I will do well to be more mindful where I cast my pearls.

 

Christian regards,

[Bravus]

Hmm. Not an aggressive question, an interested one. Why do you say there was more than one pope prior to 1929? As far as I know the last time a pope resigned (so that there were two alive) was in the 1600s.

[hch]

Hmm. Not an aggressive question, an interested one. Why do you say there was more than one pope prior to 1929? As far as I know the last time a pope resigned (so that there were two alive) was in the 1600s.

 

Hey Bravus,

 

I actually said "The single pope papacy from 1929 through 2013 has ended. There are now 2 popes and soon to be 3."

 

The papacy received its deadly wound in 1798. The kingdom was restored to the pope in 1929. From 1929 through 2013, the healed papacy had one king/pope at a time.

 

As with the book of Daniel, Revelation makes a statement and expands and explains.

 

Revelation 17 states that 5 popes are fallen: Pius XI & XII, John XXIII, Paul VI and John-Paul I

 

one is = John-Paul II

 

one is to come for a "short space" = Benedict XVI

 

EGW "The number 7 indicates completeness, and is symbolic of the fact that the messages extend to the end of time, while the symbols used reveal the condition of the church at different periods in the history of the world." {AA 585.3}

 

Since 7 is the number of completeness, a short space can not be longer than completeness.

 

Benedict became pope in 2005, that was his ascension year (J-P II's last year through 29 March on Babylonian calendar)

 

Thus Benedict XVI's first year began 29 March 2006 and his term had to end prior to 29 March 2013

or he would exceed the time allotted "short space" that is less than 7-years

 

But then Francis I was elected as the 8th and he was not one of the 7.

 

How can that be? If his reign is less than a year in Biblical chronology, it is as he never was.

 

There are kings in Bible time that ruled a few months and their reign was completely contained in the final year of their predecessor or their successor's ascension year. 

 

EGW: "the Revelation is the supplement of Daniel. The more fully we accept the light presented by the Holy Spirit through the consecrated servants of God, the deeper and surer, even as the eternal throne, will appear the truths of ancient prophecy; we shall be assured that men of God spake as they were moved upon by the Holy Ghost. Men must themselves be under the influence of the Holy Spirit in order to understand the Spirit's utterances through the prophets. These messages were given, not for those that uttered the prophecies, but for us who are living amid the scenes of their fulfillment."  {2SM 114.2}

 

When Babylon fell Kings Nabonidus and Belshazzar ruled jointly and in Babylon's final moments, Daniel was made the third ruler in the kingdom--Babylon had 3 kings.

 

Revelation is expanding and explaining Daniel and Revelation 17 is expanding and explaining Revelation 16.

 

Beginning with "And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared" (16:12).

 

That is beginning to happen now. ISIS has captured a large chunk of Syria and Iraq that contains much of the Euphrates River. They have been battling for a dam on the ER that if breached will take out thousands of homes and part of Baghdad. But the Christians in the Euphrates River basin are being forced to pay a tax to support ISIS, convert to Islam, or die (they are fleeing for their lives). ISIS is beginning to dry up the Christian influence in the ER basin area.

 

Continuing to verse 13 "And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet" (16:13)

 

The dragon is Satan. He gave his seat and authority to John-Paul II. And since J-P II is dead and cannot come back to life; but one of the 7 is the 8th. So Satan (the dragon) has to appear as one of the 7 popes, i.e., John-Paul II.

 

EGW: "Through the two great errors, the immortality of the soul and Sunday sacredness, Satan will bring the people under his deceptions."--The Great Controversy, p. 588.

 

Pope J-P II links to Sunday sacredness thru Dies Domini and if he were walking on earth, he could say like Jesus saying to Thomas  - touch me feel me...  But his body is in the Vatican crypt.  Must be his spiritual body...oooh

 

Francis I is the beast currently

 

Benedict XVI (the retired) is the false prophet. This is John-Paul II, I was his right hand man. I know him....

 

Revelation 17:8 &11 "The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.... And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition."

 

EGW:"As the second appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ draws near, satanic agencies are moved from beneath. Satan will not only appear as a human being, but he will personate Jesus Christ; and the world who has rejected the truth will receive him as the Lord of lords and King of kings. He will exercise his power, and work upon the human imagination. He will corrupt both the minds and the bodies of men, and will work through the children of disobedience, fascinating and charming, as does a serpent. What a spectacle will the world be for heavenly intelligences! What a spectacle for God, the Creator of the world, to behold! The form Satan assumed in Eden when leading our first parents to transgress, was of a character to bewilder and confuse the mind. He will work in as subtle a manner as we near the end of earth's history. All his deceiving power will be brought to bear upon human subjects, to complete the work of deluding the human family. So deceptive will be his working, that men will do as they did in the days of Christ..." {RH, April 14, 1896 par. 6} 

 

But alas of the 10 virgins awaiting our Lord, this will be too much for 5 of them to hear.

 

Christian regards,

 

[Tom Wetmore]

This is drifting off topic significantly...

 

[CoAspen]

What!!! You don't see a connection between artic melting and pope's?? I 'm shocked!

[Bravus]

If we can be permitted to follow the drift for a little while, just because it's interesting.

 

(On-topic Dad joke: let's just go with the floe...)

hch, if I'm reading you correctly you seem to be saying we are less than a year from the End. Francis doesn't count if his papacy is less than a year. He became pope in March this year, so he has already been pope for 6 months. If he makes it to a year he's the 8th of 7 and it seems as though the prophecy is invalid. 

Is that an accurate reading?

[Igakusei]

There needs to be a website that compiles prophesies like this. It'd be interesting to read all of the ways the same verses have been used in the past.

[hch]

This is drifting off topic significantly...

 

Sorry.

I got caught up with endtime fulfillment of prophecy as it relates to global warming and forgot the topic.

[hch]

If we can be permitted to follow the drift for a little while, just because it's interesting.

 

(On-topic Dad joke: let's just go with the floe...)

hch, if I'm reading you correctly you seem to be saying we are less than a year from the End. Francis doesn't count if his papacy is less than a year. He became pope in March this year, so he has already been pope for 6 months. If he makes it to a year he's the 8th of 7 and it seems as though the prophecy is invalid. 

Is that an accurate reading?

 

I don't want the global warmers to get over heated

I did try to send you a PM . Did not work. Why don't you send me one?

 

Christian regards

[JoeMo]

Thought it was time to get off off the "gay people" topic and talk about another permanently arguable topic - Climate Change!

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/07/08/nobel-prize-winning-scientist-says-obama-is-dead-wrong-on-global-warming/

[LifeHiscost]

If I turned on the heater in my house, and it got hot, would I think the time of trouble was here?

 

Climate change is happening, it's real, we have contributed a large amount to it. We have turned on the heater.

Blaming God and calling it a supernatural 'plague' borders on blasphemy.

Blaming God never seems appropriate to me. OTOH He does take responsibility for even the worst misbehavior of humankind as well as the worst of events in nature as evidenced by the crucifixion of the Creator.

There is a multitude of events in present history of the world that indicates Jesus coming and the last day events are indeed upon us as described in the Word. The 24th chapter of Matthew is probably the clearest description that might be referred to corroborating the fact. One of them that might be most unsettling to many, is this one.

…2For you yourselves know full well that the day of the Lord will come just like a thief in the night. 3While they are saying, "Peace and safety!" then destruction will come upon them suddenly like labor pains upon a woman with child, and they will not escape.....1 Thessalonians 5

The mind of the believer has a couple of promises to rely on for their peace of mind.

4But you, brethren, are not in darkness, that the day would overtake you like a thief;…1 Thessalonians 5

29"Even so, you too, when you see these things happening, recognize that He is near, right at the door. 30"Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.…Mark 13

God is Love!  Jesus saves!