BORING - HO HUM SABBATH SCHOOL?

July 28, 2003

Why do you go?

What is the purpose of the sabbath school?

Do you go so you can be a sprinkler, to others, of the water of the Spirt..or to be a sponge?

Is it a time to feed on the word of God and then spend the rest of the week doing lay activities so spiritual indigestion takes place?

Is it a training ground for Christian soldiers or a 30 minute class for weekend warriors who spend the rest of the week behind enemy lines, flirting with the harlots of Babylon?

I recommend looking in the lesson and finding at least one thing of significance to bring to the class... Be it a spiritual gem or question or an argument with the author of the lesson due to a misunderstanding or possible error/typo.

Does your class teacher/leader even use any of the excellent material in the teacher's quarterly? Do they guide you through any of the material?..doesn't have to be word for word..however there are many principles addressed in the scripture texts...and call me cynical but I would guess that the majority of the sabbath school attenders don't even read the lesson all of the way through.

I remember years ago when the question was asked how many studied the lesson and even before that how many studied every day.

Now the question is hardly posed because it might OFFEND some busy TV watching worldly backsliding SDA-on-the-books churchian.

For heaven's sake, we can't let that happen.

We can't inquire or discipline anyone unless/until the open sin reaches the media.

But I digress slightly..

Are you bummed out on sabbath school Religion..because it is only that?

Does anyone teach about life enriching/covenant relationship spiritual matters anymore.Something that has relevant contemporary application for interpersonal relationships and vertical God-human relationships???

Are you saying this quarter "oh puhleeezzzz, Hebrews again?"

or "The sanctuary, you have to be kidding..I don't care if there are 1 or 2 or 3 compartments."

The hardest sabbath school I attended was at a church where the listener was allowed a 10 second sound bite max and the teacher hogged the rest of the time.

There are some timid sorts that want only a 2nd sermon by a lay person.

Just thought of this too..is your sabbath school a place where you hardly hear the scripture read at all during the class time due to the "I think this or I think that" comments?

Are you in a crowd where NO/ZERO EG White is allowed to be quoted or read..? She is thought of as a hallucinating false cult prophet?

Would you like a spiritual check up to see where you are presently headed?

Read the following and see which one fits.

A -

We are in the world, but we are not to be of the world. Jesus entreats that those for whom He died, may not lose their eternal reward by lavishing their affections on the things of this perishing earth, and so cheat themselves out of unending happiness. An enlightened judgment compels us to acknowledge that heavenly things are superior to the things of earth, and yet the depraved heart of man leads him to give precedence to the things of the world. The opinions of great men, the theories of science, falsely so-called, are blended with the truths of Holy Writ. {FE 182.1}

But the heart that is surrendered to God, loves the truth of God's word; for through the truth the soul is regenerated. The carnal mind finds no pleasure in contemplating the word of God, but he who is renewed in the spirit of his mind, sees new charms in the living oracles; for divine beauty and celestial light seem to shine in every passage. That which was to the carnal mind a desolate wilderness, to the spiritual mind becomes a land of living streams. That which to the unrenewed heart appeared a barren waste, to the converted soul becomes the garden of God, covered with fragrant buds and blooming flowers.

The Bible has been placed in the background, while the sayings of great men, so-called, have been taken in its stead. May the Lord forgive us the slight we have put upon His word. Through inestimable treasures are in the Bible, and it is like a mine full of precious ore, it is not valued, it is not searched, and its riches are not discovered. Mercy and truth and love are valuable beyond our power to calculate; we cannot have too great a supply of these treasures, and it is in the word of God we find out how we may become possessors of these heavenly riches, and yet why is it that the word of God is uninteresting to many professed Christians? Is it because the word of God is not spirit and is not life? Has Jesus put upon us an uninteresting task, when He commands us to "search the Scriptures"? Jesus says, "The words that I speak unto you, they are spirit and they are life." But spiritual things are spiritually discerned, and the reason of your lack of interest is that you lack the Spirit of God. When the heart is brought into harmony with the word, a new life will spring up within you, a new light will shine upon every line of the word, and it will become the voice of God to your soul. In this way you will take celestial observations, and know whither you are going, and be able to make the most of your privileges today. {FE 182}

OR

B-

With the word of God in his hands, every human being, wherever his lot in life may be cast, may have such companionship as he shall choose. In its pages he may hold converse with the noblest and best of the human race, and may listen to the voice of the Eternal as He speaks with men. As he studies and meditates upon the themes into which "the angels desire to look" (1 Peter 1:12), he may have their companionship. He may follow the steps of the heavenly Teacher, and listen to His words as when He taught on mountain and plain and sea. He may dwell in this world in the atmosphere of heaven, imparting to earth's sorrowing and tempted ones thoughts of hope and longings for holiness; himself coming closer and still closer into fellowship with the Unseen; like him of old who walked with God, drawing nearer and nearer the threshold of the eternal world, until the portals shall open, and he shall enter there. He will find himself no stranger. The voices that will greet him are the voices of the holy ones, who, unseen, were on earth his companions --voices that here he learned to distinguish and to love. He who through the word of God has lived in fellowship with heaven, will find himself at home in heaven's companionship. {Ed 127.1}

SABBATH SCHOOL IS THE HIGH POINT OF THE WEEK FOR ME.

I LOVE IT BETTER THAN MOST SERMONS.

July 28, 2003

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SABBATH SCHOOL IS THE HIGH POINT OF THE WEEK FOR ME.

I LOVE IT BETTER THAN MOST SERMONS.

How does it change what you do with the rest of the week?

/Bevin

July 28, 2003

bevin,

Thanks for the reply/question.

My participation helps keep my altruistic attitude consistent in my social interaction the next week...and as I reflect on what transpired during the sabbath school, I endeavor to improve on the class by remebering the attenders comments and analyzing so I can minister to the needs. Many times the questions and/or comments are not fully/properly addressed due to time or complexity.

I attend a very vocal and active class.

As I hear issues/principles that are challenging to me as far as application, I meditate on these and commune with the Spirit and he assists with bible texts and relevance so I can minister in a relevant, contemporary and practical way.

Gives a taste of what the life of Christ, prophets and apostles was like. Awesome living!

July 28, 2003

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The hardest sabbath school I attended was at a church where the listener was allowed a 10 second sound bite max and the teacher hogged the rest of the time.

For the most part, there are very few teachers that I enjoy sitting in with. For the most part, a good teacher will allow others to express opinions but as long as they study, really study and bring out some material other than what is read in the regular adult quarterly. I find myself getting bored with the regurgitated reading. Why bother studying by reading and looking up the texts? Another thing that drives me crazy is going day by day..."and on Sunday's lesson...and on Monday's lesson" etc. I feel like I need not bother if we are going to do it in class...but then that is me.

When I was in Fl (Orlando area) I met a teacher 23 years back and was thrilled to be able to sit in his class. He would find and utilize other writers to glean ideas on the subjects we would be studying.

This past Sabbath the teacher gave the texts that we would be covering this next week...that means that he is preparing at some length to present the lesson. Which is why everytime I attend that church, his is the only class out of 14 or so, I care to attend.

I don't care to be spoon fed. Thank you very much.

July 28, 2003

JimBob7,

You would not find yourself bored in the Sabbath School class that I attend, It is very active and has great participation by everyone in the class. We take the weeks lesson and expand it to include Ellen White and other Adventist authors and some non Adventist authors as well. We also allow the mixture of personal examples of the lesson to be used.

On top of this we have come to the conclusion that 0ne hour on the Sabbath is not enough, so our class has set up a time to meet on Friday Evening to study and bring in the beginning of the Sabbath together. We meet for about 3-3 1/2 hours. this is a large group of about fifty people and growing. A very rich class that studies and interacts very well together, nobody has gone away felling empty or left out. We have several of the Pastors, Elders,and Deacons in our class, you would fit right in to this group.

But then this is just one group in a church of many groups. And in our church you can find those type of classes that are all lecture, and very little interaction from the lay people. And there are those classes were you would have trouble staying interested in. So it does depend on the teacher and how well they prepare, and on their qualification to teach. Some folks are just more skilled than others.

God Bless!

BusyBob

July 28, 2003

ChildofChrist wrote:

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a good teacher will allow others to express opinions but as long as they study, really study and bring out some material other than what is read in the regular adult quarterly. I find myself getting bored with the regurgitated reading. Why bother studying by reading and looking up the texts? Another thing that drives me crazy is going day by day..."and on Sunday's lesson...and on Monday's lesson" etc. I feel like I need not bother if we are going to do it in class...

I teach a class that is sort of a combination of both you describe here. Part of the reason it is both types is because I find MOST people in the class haven't opened their quarterly since the previous Sabbath and have not gone through the lessons.

Several of the class members and myself bring in other materials to share based upon the lessons (including Mrs White's writings )but it is hard to bring those itmes into the conversation when more than 1/2 of the class has no clue what the lesson is about. We have free wheeling discussions on the lessons and get sidetracked often into other areas that while may not be directly related to the week's study still need to be explored as well.

Out of necessity (class members who do not open their books during the week) some classes end up becoming a regurgitation of what is in the quarterly (word for word) and having the folks answer the questions right then (because they didn't do them during the week) just so you can get to the outside sources and material you as the teacher and others (who actually did the lessons and enjoy the subject matter) have brought in to share based on the fundimental points brough out by the lesson. If they don't know what the lesson says it is hard for some of them to grasp what is being shared from the outside source. It is frustrating not only for the teacher but for the class members as well.

How do I know these folks haven't opened their quarterly or done looked up the text or answered the questions? It's easy I walk around in my class as I teach and I can see their books. Some are well worn, highlighted, underlined, answers writtne out etc. Others look as new as when they were passed out no writing or underlining, no highlighting, NOTHING in them at all and when you ask a question you can see it clearly on their faces that they haven't looked up the scripture or even pondered the question asked in the quarterly.

Oh yeah and every Sabbath school teacher knows there are those who sometimes should only be allowed 10 seconds to speak. If given longer they try to take over the class to steer it to their own particular personal agenda and not in the direction the rest of the class wants to go.

I agree with JimBob7's observations as well as yours regarding the class and what it should be. Unfortunatley sometimes circumstances don't allow us to have the ideal class.

July 28, 2003

The class that I teach is a small class -- only five of us, but it is a class that has seen fantastic changes in the individuals. We are all ladies, and I sometimes think of the class as the "walking wounded", as they have all had so many traumatic experiences, or some things in their lives that has nearly lost them to the church.

In our small class, tucked away in a very pleasant room far from the noise of other classes, we can spend time in nurture (and sometimes the wiping of tears), and mostly discussion based on the lesson.

I have found that the best way to lead this class is to have firmly fixed in my mind the three most important points in the lesson. There are the occasional days when someone has faced trauma of some kind, and where the nurture part of our class becomes the main focus, as the hurting person is reassured of God's love for them or the person for whom they want special prayer, and our love. The thoughts are then turned to the lesson -- and it is amazing how the points previously selected so easily fit right in to the situation.

Yes, there is sometimes one or two who have not studied the lesson right through, but I feel that it is of more benefit to make sure they understand the main thoughts of the lesson rather than boring the class with a verse-by-verse study.

Just a thought.

Beryl

July 28, 2003

Thank you for your post. It is encouraging to see your devotion to truth and the Remnant church. My fiance' likes to say,"If you are bored it is because you are boring." I have read through the other posts and was also encouraged by much of what was said. I must say, however , that a verse by verse study is not at all boring to me.In fact, I wish we spent more time defining our terms as revealed by Scripture rather than society. For me, more Scripture and Spirit of Prophecy and less thought process and bickering would be far more edifying.Thanks agin from the new guy.

P.S.- Are you a writer? It sounds like it.

July 28, 2003

Interesting questions and answers. It has been 5 1/2 years since I have regularly gone to an adult SS because I've been in Cradle Roll, Kindergarten, and now Primary. Interesting that there are many people who work for a lot of years with the kids and have a hard time transitioning to the adult SS. My mom has recently said No to being an assistant in Kindy, and she's been in the lower division SS classes since I was born, so 34 years. She has a hard time concentrating in the adult classes. I've talked with others who have said the same thing. At first I tried to keep up with the adult lesson, but it is just too hard when I'm never able to discuss it with anyone and I'm busy preparing for the children's divisions anyway.

I really like what Beryl said about her class. That is so important, and it sounds like her class is really filling a need, rather than warming seats!

M

July 28, 2003

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Are you in a crowd where NO/ZERO EG White is allowed to be quoted or read..? She is thought of as a hallucinating false cult prophet?

No, it's more along the lines that when someone reads her, all thought processes stop.

I have been to so many classes where the teacher or the lessons are concentrating on the bible, and people are begining to think for themselves and move from a culture position, when some saint will bring up a quote from EGW and then the class becomes silent after that or far less discussion takes place after that. The thinking process has stopped among the class...

Strange how that should happen....

July 28, 2003

Yeah, I know what you mean.

But when the going gets tough, the tough get going.

Some call this the sledgehammer approach.

What I think is a challenge is when someone does that is to tangent off that with a follow up comment...or check to see if the quote is on target. Sometimes it is taken out of context and means the opposite of what the original intent was. Hey the reason I can say that is from my Pharisee days of yesteryear...

I will give you an example of the misapplication of EGW in my next post..have to dig up the quote.

July 28, 2003

To appreciate my sensitivity to this partial quote, you would have to know my pre SDA background.

I went to a mega church (8,000 members+)that was pastored by one of the best pastor/teachers in America. I don't mean doctrinally as much as his homiletics (art of preaching).

My experience with listening to sermons in general is one of disappointment ever since ..with a few exceptions.

So..when I experience these little sermonettes during communion or when there is a multibaptism.

OR

when the message time is taken up by an all music show

OR

when there is a Pathfinder day

or

Christmas program or

Mothers day handing out of the flowers

or

a testimonial hour

or

GET MY DRIFT??

this is the SDA way of voiding the law through tradition.

Here is the quote....

to support this no sermon mode...

" Our people should not be made to think that they need to listen to a sermon every Sabbath."

This is a snippet from Evangelism p 348

See they say , "even EGW says it is ok to delete the sermon."

Here it is with the the surrounding text....

Evangelism, page 348, paragraph 1

Chapter Title: Clinching the Interest

Often Make Sabbath Meeting a Bible Class.--It has often been presented to me that there should be less sermonizing by ministers acting merely as local pastors of churches, and that greater personal efforts should be put forth. Our people should not be made to think that they need to listen to a sermon every Sabbath. Many who listen frequently to sermons, even though the truth be presented in clear lines, learn but little. Often it would be more profitable if the Sabbath meetings were of the nature of a Bible class study. Bible truth should be presented in such a simple, interesting manner that all can easily understand and grasp the principles of salvation.-- Letter 192, 1906.

Got to be careful out there with those Rom 8:7 churchian

sons of Satan and daughters of the Devil.

Wheweee

July 29, 2003

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I teach a class that is sort of a combination of both you describe here. Part of the reason it is both types is because I find MOST people in the class haven't opened their quarterly since the previous Sabbath and have not gone through the lessons.

Chris, I use to be like that MOST section you referred to. I felt why bother.

But when this teacher began with a discussion of material I knew wasn't in the quarterly...it would take a while for me to catch on. Sooo....I began studying the lesson to see how this new angle did fit into the lesson. I've been hooked ever since. Especially when visiting a new church, which I might add, is more frequent than not. But when the teacher practically reads every word from the quarterly, I feel like throwing it up in the air and zoning out. (Yeah, I know that I can have a bad attitude at times, a real problem sometimes.)

But that is what makes it a "BORING - HO HUM SABBATH SCHOOL" for me. I tend to be sensitive to peoples' attitudes/spirit; what ever you may wish to call it. It is the folks that have enthusiasm for the lesson that I can lock into. And they do not act as I have described. My Opinion.

July 29, 2003

Two men looked out

From behind prison bars.

The one saw the mud,

The other the stars.

Life is like that. We can see in everything or anything what we want.

If life hands you a lemon, make lemonade.

Meaning, if we feel that the SS lesson is boring, it may be "ME" as much as the teacher. Go to the class and see the stars, bring lemonade, and make a difference. Bring some of your excitement to class and share it. It may be contagious.

A friend had charge of a youth class in church. When the kids did not raise their hands to say that they had studied, he sent them up to their parents. One Mother said, "If my son did not come up to me, it is because he lied". Either that, or they would go outside and goof off.

This upset me so I approached his about it. He was adamant and said "I do not want them there.I told him, if the kids had not studied, they needed him to teach the lesson all the more. When asked if he would do this as a teacher in an adult class, he said "No". Wonder why. <img src="http://www.clubadventist.com/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

After telling me something that was in error, he called and apologized and said he would not send the kids out anymore.

The moral: even if a person has not studied the lesson, s/he is there so FEED THEM!

There is one fellow who is the most bored and boring person in our church and he falls asleep in our class. I know that he seldom studies. When I taught the lesson, he actually surprised me with some good comments.

I always liked the teachers quarterly. There were thoughts there that were not in the lesson so I added some of that to give the class something that they may not have gotten otherwise.

It is interesting to study things from the past but we have the future of the hereafter to look forward too so better make sure that folks will understand the relevance of the lesson to our days and what is soon to happen.

Mopsie

October 21, 2003

I am going to share something now that might get your attention.

The SEVENTH DAY ADVENTIST CHURCH is currently studying Jonah for the sabbath school lesson. It consists of just 48 verses that can be read in 6 to 7 minutes out loud. BUT because of the usual TOPICAL approach the tendency is to cover one topic, maybe 2 each week. This week the focus was on judgement. SS lesson leaders, teachers, facilitators will most likely lead discussion involving judgement in general..maybe not even relevant to the book of Jonah...

Now I know in this age of quick sound bites that most in the congregation would greatly suffer trying to concentrate on listening to 6-7 minutes of scripture reading..especially at one time.

However I know that in some sabbath school classes the verses will not even be read over the course of 13 weeks.

It is now supposed to be a no no ,in some areas, to even ask the sabbath school class if they took opportunity to study or even look over the sabbath school lesson...too offensive or embarrassing.

I challenge you..the ones who are faithful attenders of your sabbath school class to see if the book of Jonah is ever read once this quarter in class, out loud, by the teacher or a few people taking turns. I also challenge any teacher out there to ask at the end of the quarter to see if any class members took the time to read the 48 verses of the book of Jonah..or have ever read the whole book of Jonah.

Keep this under wraps and wait til the end.

Write it on a paper and stick it in Lesson #13 of your quarterly..

October 26, 2003

What makes most people show up late at sabbath school?

October 26, 2003

Sabbath School is more than just the SS Lesson.

There are other parts to the program as well.

A question that all SS Super's should ask themselves and their staff is "what difference is SS to make in the lives of those that attend".

When I was SS superintendent, I wanted people to leave having

done something that uplifted their spirits
learnt more about God and the Bible
learnt something that would make their lives better
got involved in something in their church or their community

I felt that all but the last was achieved. I never did figure out how to get most people involved in anything.

/Bevin

October 27, 2003

busybob,

It's been 3 months since the thread started..is your sabbath school still long?

October 29, 2003

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I challenge you..the ones who are faithful attenders of your sabbath school class to see if the book of Jonah is ever read once this quarter in class, out loud,

Interesting.

why would I need to read Jonah in the, at best, 45 minutes that we have to engage in understanding the content and applying it to today? I find there is barely enough time to set a foundation in the scripture of choice and then apply it to our lives today. We do scripture, but we read pertinent parts as they come into the study.

I get around the "who studied their lesson?" by asking "How many were blessed this week by the lesson study?" You can get a pretty good assessment of those who have looked at it this way without embarassing those who, for whatever reason, have not studied.

Follow this with, "Do you have any particular question or point of interest that you would like to bring up?" and your off and running for a SS class of participation. Why? I think it is because you have shown the class that it is their time, not yours. I think that is important. Class participation is everything to me, tho I try to encourage "nutshells" as opposed to the long winded. thoughts I have to ride herd on my tongue, also. There is usually lots more I'd like to say than I do say Now this means one has to have a pretty good handle on what the context of the study , but one doesn't have to have a doctorate (good thing:) ) A few quick, "Help Lord! 's" help too

When that passes, I focus on key points in each day (if I find something "key" in each day. Some days are dry to me I have had members tell me it is discouraging to study all week and come to class and have the teacher not even turn to the lesson! Others don't want to reiterate what they have already digested. So, as a teacher, I try to find balance.

Of course, the first thing I do is ask for God's help because I don't know anything It's amazing what He can do in me!! I can finish a class and wonder who that was standing up there saying and asking such things!! Even my husband sometimes hardly recognizes me I really think that is because God is taking over And He isn't boring

My husband was just reading over my shoulder and saw the header "Boring --Ho Hum Sabbath School" He exclaimed with a chuckle. "Ours sure isn't boring!" God bless him He just gained a big point

Shirley,

I especially liked your take on the boring SS. Make lemonade!! Spice it up!! If all else fails, ask a relative, but challenging question. Play the devils advocate, but make sure others realize there is a twinkle in your eye by the twinkle in your voice does the teacher talk on and on? Get that question in! Don't embarass the teacher or change the subject. Just challenge. Creat the opportunity for discussion. ( Or at least try ) No arguing allowed, 'tho. Differing opinions are welcome, they stimulate discussion. But no argueing If a subject gets too hot, suggest moving on while encouraging personal study on the topic at home later in the afternoon The earth may have been created in 7 days, but some "discussions" could go on forever

I love Sabbath School

Love you all,

sylvia

October 29, 2003

Sylvia,

When I was teaching, I would make the lesson into many, many questions that I would throw out to the class for discussion. I would not preach to them. I made every effort to get all members involved. I had a following of folks who still miss my class. Some would even come from a neighboring church to attend.

I always made a special point to ask how the lesson fit into our lives today and for the future. If we study the past and do not bring it down to our days, what is the purpose of the lesson?

With the thought that one picture is worth a thousand words, I would also bring some 'show and tell' to the class. The adults liked that as much as kids do and it helped the important thoughts to stick with folks better.

Shirley

October 29, 2003

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I would also bring some 'show and tell' to the class. The adults liked that as much as kids do and it helped the important thoughts to stick with folks better.

Shirley

Good idea. Must be challenging to find something relative?

Sylvia

October 29, 2003

As I studied I would watch for a keyword or sentence. One time I read about how Jesus is like a magnet to draw all people to Him.

I got a magnet and a bunch of straight pins. I gave it to one of the class members and told him/her to draw the magnet over the pins. Every eye was riveted on the demonstration. Some jumped right onto the magnet and others did not.

The idea being, that while Jesus appeals to all for salvation, some respond and some do not.

Another time I wrapped a package in gold or silver papers and offered it to someone with whom I had explained my plan.

I told the person that it was a gift beyond price, like the hope diamond, and begged them to accept it and they made all kinds of excuses to reject it.

Then we discussed that Jesus offers us salvation and how some resist His pleas and find all types of excuses not to surrender their lives to Him.

My 'show and tell' always led to a discussion of that part of the lesson and we had fun in learning truths that may have seemed boring if we had just read about them.

Jesus used 'show and tell' like a lost coin or a lily and would point out different things in nature as He presented His parables to the folks in His daily commune with them.

Shirley

October 29, 2003

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Jesus used 'show and tell' like a lost coin or a lily and would point out different things in nature as He presented His parables to the folks in His daily commune with them.

Yes, He did and when I taught Cradle Roll and Kindergarten and Primary, I would do the same thing. "As Jesus Taught."

While I was in FL, we had guest teachers as well as pastors. One SS teacher would hand out little pieces of paper and those 'half pint' pencils, and instruct the general SS class to number 1 to 20 or whatever. Then he would proceed to give a quiz. Then...he would begin covering the lesson and ask, "What did you answer?" Some times he would bring out points that I didn't remember. Ouch! Kept me on my toes, don't ya know! Just an idea for someone looking to do something different.

I know that I can go over a lesson daily and at times not learn anything new. Then there are times that I seem overwhelmed. Same process, amazingly. There are times that the lesson is just what I need for that very moment (like they were written just for me) and othertimes I can't begin to figure, 'How does it apply to me?' But that's ok. I know that somewhere, someone needs that spiritual lesson.

October 29, 2003

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Another time I wrapped a package in gold or silver papers and offered it to someone with whom I had explained my plan.

I told the person that it was a gift beyond price, like the hope diamond, and begged them to accept it and they made all kinds of excuses to reject it.

Then we discussed that Jesus offers us salvation and how some resist His pleas and find all types of excuses not to surrender their lives to Him.

Clever. Praise God!

October 29, 2003

Boring - ho hum SS? Is it not due to a boring teacher and a ho hum audience?

Gerry

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