The One Project--San Diego

[hch]

What is the source of the materials and DVDs that your SS teacher is using?

 

Ron Duffield and DVD Wide is the gate" The emerging new Christianity, which is supposed to be available for viewing on utube so you do not have to buy it.

[Tom Wetmore]

hch, was the book produced by The One Project read, studied, or given any consideration either in your SS class or in any of the copious materials the teacher used?

[hch]

hch, was the book produced by The One Project read, studied, or given any consideration either in your SS class or in any of the copious materials the teacher used?

 

Tom,

 

Some One Project material was reviewed with excerpts from their videos with commentary by Duffield and supplemental material that the SS teacher found online.

 

Some interesting facts:

 

"On October 25, 2012, George Fox Evangelical Seminary posted a statement about three of their graduate's accomplishments in leading out in The One Project. It seems clear that this is seen as a success for George Fox University. Terry Swenson, Alex Bryan, and Tim Gillespie were all named.  They obviously forgot to mention Sam Leonor. It would seem that if these alumnus of George Fox were promoting a truly Adventist program through the One Project that George Fox would not brag about it?"

 

And Leonard  "Sweet is involved in all three Dmin. Programs inclucing "Leadership & Global Perspectives" which Terry Swenson completed." (at George Fox University)

 

We watched the 5:39 min clip of Leonard Sweet addressing the Loma Linda University Chapel at Terry Swenson's invitation. And "Note: Rick Warren invited Leonard Sweet to be a plenary speaker at the "2008 Saddleback Small Group Conference.""

 

"RICK WARREN ON THE EMERGING CHURCH: New Age sympathizer Leonard Sweet,.."

 

Tom, while looking up facts in the handouts to respond to your question, these quotes clearly link: Rick Warren to Leonard Sweet, who inturn mentored Terry Swenson, Alex Bryan, and Tim Gillespie.

 

If you do a web search "emerging church Ted Wilson" you might discover that he warns us to stay away from the Emerging Church.

 

So on the one hand the President of the GC warns SDA's against the Emerging Church and on the other hand One Project that is so closely linked to it is packaging itself as wholesome for SDA young people.

 

There might be some red flags in that book you spoke of.

 

You and Gregory can go to the One Project meedting and promote it if you choose. But I'm going to run from it.

[CoAspen]

 

Some One Project material was reviewed with excerpts from their videos with commentary by Duffield and supplemental material that the SS teacher found online.

 

 So the answer is no, cherry picked and out of context to suit a predetermined purpose!

 

Alright!!

[Tom Wetmore]

Sounds like connect the dots conspiracy theory thinking to me.

If you haven't read the book for yourself or actually attended the meetings yourself, it is rather disingenuous to try to critique it. Consider that those who criticize often have their own agenda to promote. If everyone considered the critics withers much critical thought as they do the subject of the criticism, I think that the criticism would fall apart rather quickly.

[Gregory Matthews]

Well, HCH, it seems that you would rather convict by "guilt by association" and 2nd hand so-called evidence.  Well you are in company with those who convicted Christ of "guilt by association" and 2nd hand evidence.

 

I will quote an interesting comment:

Adventism--primal Adventism--was about men and women who longed to be with Jesus.

  See: Alex Bryan, "Primal Adventism: Jesus at our Beginning." in  Nathan Brown, Alex Bryan & Japhet De Oliveira, editors. FOR THE ONE: VOICES FROM THE ONE PROJECT. Signs Publishing, Australia, page 30. 

 

There are many people today who do not believe that SDAs of today have that same longing to be with Jesus.  The One Project would like, in part, to restore that longing to be with Jesus.

[Tom Wetmore]

IMHO, since Jesus is the primary focus of The One Project, to be opposed to, critical or suspicious of the One Project really seems to deny the name by which we are to be known - Christians - followers of Jesus. It is as unseemly as being suspicious of either Desire of Ages or Steps to Christ, or even the Gospels themselves.

Edited January 4, 2015 by Tom Wetmore
Reworded to clarify my thought...

[LifeHiscost]

Lest we forget, we have been warned of a shaking time among the remnant believers in the last day events, associated under the term the OMEGA, and which more than one recognized thought leader gives reason for caution among believers.

 

http://www.adventistsaffirm.org/article/241/previous-issues/volume-23-number-3/trojan-horses-the-new-spirituality-movements

 

Welcome to the new age of inter-spirituality, mystical or contemplative spirituality—and its many ways of encountering God. Currently championed by advocates and sympathizers of the “signs and wonders,” “emergent church,” and “worship renewal” movements, these new spiritualities are being woven into the beliefs and practices of Christian churches, youth organizations, and educational institutions.

This brief summary –distilled from a six-part presentation I will be making at the GYC convention in Louisville, Kentucky (December 30, 2009-January 3, 2010)—is designed to inform and warn about the new “Trojan horses” that are being wheeled into our churches.¹   

 

16and you will come up against My people Israel like a cloud to cover the land. It shall come about in the last days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me when I am sanctified through you before their eyes, O Gog.....Ezek 38

 

…16But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and drank up the river which the dragon poured out of his mouth. 17So the dragon was enraged with the woman, and went off to make war with the rest of her children, who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.....Rev 12

 

God is Love!  Jesus saves! 

[Gregory Matthews]

HCH, yes, we should be aware of a "shaking" that will occur among the remnant believers in End Time.  I have clicked on your cited URL and read the document that Samuel Koranteng-Pipim wrote in 2009.  Unless I missed something, he did not mention The One Project once.  But, you did not say that he did.

 

Here is what Pipim says is the focus of his diatribe:

 

“Trojan horses” include: the promotion of evolution as an acceptable doctrine of Creation, the acceptance of homosexuality, unbiblical divorce and remarriage as a valid form of morality, the embrace of new forms of worship, “gospel gimmicks,” and entertainment as acceptable forms of worship renewal, church growth, and youth ministry, and a calculated campaign for new models of leadership in the church, in the name of “inclusiveness, balance, gender sensitivity, or diversity” in spiritual leadership at every level of church administration. For more on these, see Samuel Koranteng-Pipim, Here We Stand: New Trends in the Church (Berrien Springs, MI: Adventists Affirm, 2005). See also my “Leadership in the Church: Are We Honestly Mistaken?” Adventists Affirm (Spring 2006), pp. 6-24 (available also on the author’s website: http://drpipim. org/leadership-contemporaryissues-97/55-leadership-in-the-church.html).

 

I do not believe that  The One Project has advocated a new morality.  When Pipim writes against diversity of spiritual leadership, I find that interesting.  All in all, I do not believe that your citation writes about The One Project.  At least he did not, unless I missed it, mention The One Project by name.  As I have see Pipim write in the past, and the present, I find that he is  quite wiling to clearly identify people and groups that he was referencing in his writing.  Are you telling us that your cited document was an exception in which PIpim, for some unknown reason did not want to identify The One Project? 

 

There is another important fact.  Pipim wrote your cited document in  2009.  The One Project had its  first "gathering" in mid-2011, in Atlanta.  IOW, in 2009 The One Project did not exist, unless you believe that Pipim had a prophetic revelation from God that informed him in 2009 of something that was coming in the future 2011.  Well, I do not believe that Pipim had a prophetic revelation from God and you probably do not believe that either.

 

So, the reasonable conclusion is that in your cited reference Pipim was not thinking of The One Project.  But, as I have said, you did not say that Pipim actually mentioned TOP by name.

 

 

[hch]

 So the answer is no, cherry picked and out of context to suit a predetermined purpose!

 

Alright!!

 

The answer is that I was too busy at the time of my posting to lay out everything in a way to answer all the questions posed. But I did present the gist of the matter with cut and paste material that I easily found online. And those who want to know the truth about the One Project can do the research for themselves and get all the facts.

 

The Sabbath school class that I attend is very thourough. They go into great detail. They studied the One Project for 13 weeks and I only came in at the end with about 5 sessions remaining.

 

The One Project material: text and videos clearly uses New Age techniques.

 

Look up "The Emerging Church & The One Project" by Ron Duffield.

 

Check out his various power point presentations.

He has studied The One Project thouroughly and will answer your questions based on his study of The One Project.

 

And if you are predetermined to ignore the warnings, that is your perogitive.

 

But from what I have seen, I want NOTHING TO DO WITH IT.

[hch]

HCH...So, the reasonable conclusion is that in your cited reference Pipim was not thinking of The One Project.  But, as I have said, you did not say that Pipim actually mentioned TOP by name.

 

Since I do not  know Pipim and do not have a clue about what you are writing about, I leave your post to others to figure out.

[Gregory Matthews]

HCH, so you cited a source and did not know anything about the author!  O.K.

 

However, you did reference in your  comment on The One Project, when a superficial reading of the document that you cited showed that it was written several years before The One Project came into existence and therefore the author could not have said anything about TOP.  Again, as I have said, you did not say directly that the author did say anything about TOP.

 

While you may not know anything about Pipim, those reading this thread will find it quite interesting that you referred to him in your battle against TOP.  Sometimes it is of value to know something about your sources.

[Tom Wetmore]

If just one hurriedly cited source proves to be questionable at best, it certainly seems to beg the question, "what about the rest of the crticism and supposed analysis of the One Project?"

[hch]

If just one hurriedly cited source proves to be questionable at best, it certainly seems to beg the question, "what about the rest of the crticism and supposed analysis of the One Project?"

 

Tom

 

When you start at TOP and follow it back to its roots, you find out that TOP has a history that links to failed teachings recycled and being promoted by those who we should expect to know better.

 

Rather than spending time debating the messenger who has given the warning

TO BEWARE OF TOP, look at TOP in light of Isaiah 8:20.

 

But as for me, I'm moving on from this TOP-ic.

[CoAspen]

When truth is not wanted and untruths found out, what is the best course of action........abandon your position and run!!!!

 

Quite typical of the accusers.

[Gregory Matthews]

HCH Said:

 

 

 

When you start at TOP and follow it back to its roots, you find out that TOP has a history that links to failed teachings recycled and being promoted by those who we should expect to know better.

 

Based upon what HCH has posted, it appears that  HCH really does not know what TOP teaches.  Rather HCH seems to have focused on assumptions, guilt by association and the 2nd hand comments of others. 

 

HCH tells us that TOP has a history of failed teachings.  O.K.  Let us look at one of its teachings:

 

 

 

. . . love for Jesus and an unsurpassed longing to be with Him. . . . Adventism's uniqueness is found at its historical root: Jesus/

  Page 31 of THE ONE PROJECT, by Alex Bryan.

 

Well, HCH, are you telling us that the teaching that Adventism has a historical focus on Jesus is a failed teaching?  Well, you may be correct, that on a personal basis Adventism has failed in your life to bring you to a place where your central focus is on Jesus.  Please note, I am not saying that such is true for you.  Rather, I am saying that if it is true, then Adventism has personally failed in how it has related to you.  But, if that is true for you, let us not generalize it to a global failure of Adventism.  Adventism has brought some people to the point where the central focus of their lives is a focus on Jesus.  For those people, Adventism has not failed.  

 

 

 

For Miller, as for Joshua Himes, . . .Jesus came first.  They really believed that good ideas mattered, but the desire to know and understand truth came out of a desire to know Jesus. 

Page 39 of the one project, BY Lisa Clark Diller.

 

Is this what you would call a failed historical teaching.  Are you intending to tell us that it is a failed historical teaching to tell us that Biblical doctrine is centered and founded in Christ? 

 

 

 

. . . we must recover the Gospel, re-learn and fall in love again with that historic, beautiful, redemptive, faithful, demanding reconciling, all-powerful, restorative, atoning, grace-abounding, soul-quenching, spiritually fulfilling good news of God's love as expressed in Jesus.

Page 2 of THE ONE PROJECT, By Japhet De Oliveira and reference to Gabe Lyons.

 

O.K. Let us ask what part of the above is a failed historical teaching?

 

Is it a failed teaching to say that Christ is redemptive and/or faithful?

 

Is it a failed teaching to say that Christ is all-powerful and restorative?

 

HCH, I await your enlightenment as to how you believe any of that above are a failed historical teaching.

[aka]

 

One Project Discussion

 

Quote from Gregory Matthews: “There are many people today who do not believe that SDAs of
today have that same longing to be with Jesus. 

The One Project would like, in part, to restore that longing to be with Jesus.” (Message #32)

 

Yentyl says: I thoroughly agree with your observation Greg, and count myself as one of those with experience in  being around hundreds of church religious people who do their best in keeping Jesus as only some abstract concept for their lives.
 

Aliensanctuary:  “Drums...now that's what our local church needs...perhaps they will awaken the dead.” (#7)

Yentyl: Hey cool guy… I laughed very loud and strong when the full impact of your wit settled in my brain. Smile from me to you…

 

AlienS: “To carefully study the life and teachings of Christ should be the program for all who believe in him. To reprogram our behaviors to model His would be our life's work.” #26

Yentyl: Thank you for saying how your conviction on this is.
I am one with you here and live day for day in Christ centered bible study.
 

TomW : I read the book the One Project produced.  That really confirmed for me that the critics did not know what they were talking about. It really strikes as weird in a truly disturbing sense that a single-minded focus on Jesus should draw such resistance, criticism and even hostility from those claiming to be fellow Christians.  Really?  #24

Yentyl: 1Cor2 …”Now the natural person does not accept what pertains to the Spirit of God, for to him it is foolishness, and he cannot understand it, because it is judged spiritually.”

Non-spiritual neo-pharisees and neo-saducees have flooded SDA ranks.