SDA church adding Sunday services

[bonnie]

I tend to think you mean this for anyone who posts anything you disagree with. Just sayin'.

It would be difficult to take it any other way.  Those claiming to be SDA's but then present half truths, innuendo, slander and misrepresentation are not in any way concerned with truth....of any kind!!

The" truth is important crowd" has a very different view of truth. Almost from the beginning of this topic there has been EXTREME misrepresentation of what those of us that disagree have said. This same group has seemingly been disturbed at times by disrespectful posts towards others,yet note the sarcastic responses and from whom.I don't remember everything that Lyndon has posted,I know I don't always agree with him,but I have yet to read any post of his that comes close to the disrespectful posts by the "please be civil and truth is important group".He may have but I can't recall if he did.

It comes across has having to demean those that disagree with you in order to feel you have the superior and right position.Those that disagree just couldn't possibly understand the more enlightened minds represented here.

Having a service on Sunday that mimics the Sabbath service is the objection. I doubt that many Sunday worshiping churches would be to pleased with a regular church service on Sunday by SDA's. It isn't for the unchurched or for those that are lacking in services on Sunday to attend. It is simply to draw members from the Sunday worshiping churches.

We have two churches within three blocks of us. The churches are active throughout the week. All are welcome and the meetings are varied with something for everyone. They manage a wonderful outreach without mimicing Sabbath services on the 7th day. 

[Tom Wetmore]

is Andrew Henriques a bona fide SDA minister?   The only place I can find him is on his own internet site called, "Saved to Serve" (under the website of http://prophesyagain.org/)  His wife, Hilari Henriques, writes for Advindicate...

Does not appear that he is. I do not find him listed as being employed by the the Church as a pastor of any SDA Church. His website identifies his church as the "Save to Serve Church".

[JoeMo]

If you don't support Sunday services at an SDA Church, don't attend or give them money.  It's that simple.  If God supports a Sunday outreach, it will succeed no matter how much the saints whine.  If God does not support it, it will die no matter what is done to support it.  There is Bible precedent for this statement.  I think it was Gamaliel...

[JoeMo]

For several years, I have attended SDA churches that meet at Sunday churches. They have all been very gracious to us - even to the point of letting us use their facilities for free. They even offer to provide music, preaching, or ministry, should we need it. On occasion, we have extended the same offer to them. Many of them have Saturday services to accomodate those who are convinced of Sabbath sacredness; but don't want to leave their current congregations. Is that bad?

[bonnie]

If you don't support Sunday services at an SDA Church, don't attend or give them money.  It's that simple.  If God supports a Sunday outreach, it will succeed no matter how much the saints whine.  If God does not support it, it will die no matter what is done to support it.  There is Bible precedent for this statement.  I think it was Gamaliel...

I suspect many things will succeed at this time in history that would not in times past. I know we have a different view as to events yet to unfold. 

Not all new approaches are wrong,but many times new approaches begin a slippery slope or is simply an old sin dressed up to be acceptable.

[Gregory Matthews]

In post # 49, Pam asked:

 

Of what does the "Sabbath blessing" consist?  IOW, could you describe the "Sabbath blessing"?  Is it tangible, or intangible?

 

A good answer would take a book.

 

A brief answer would be:  The Sabbath is a time spent away from the requirements of living our lives in this world and spent  in fellowship/communion with God.  The blessings that come from that are whatever it is that God brings to us and we are willing to listen to and apply to o9ur lives.

 

Going back to the story of Eden, the Sabbath was a  time when God met with Adam and Eve and talked to them.  While we may not see God face to face and we may not directly hear God's voice, the Sabbath may still be a time when we and God get together.

 

The Sabbath is much for  than worship.  The Sabbath is much more than two hours.

 

Probably all of us have failed to exhaust the blessings that can come to us in the Sabbath experience.  In this, we all, probably, need to grow.

 

 

 

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[TheCodeMonk]

As a convert to SDA, I would probably go to a Sunday worship service. It's not because it's what I'm used to, but because what has become of our Sabbath routine. I work 50 to 75 hours a week (5 days) and to be honest, getting up on Sabbath is hard. By the time we get the kids ready, breakfast, cleaned up, and in the car, I've been made to feel like it's just another work day. What's the running joke among adventist on Sabbath afternoon? "it's time for my lay activities!" So what's the point of a holy day if it's slept through? I try my best to study, read, and watch the Sabbath school lessons, but frankly I'm so exhausted I end up even nodding off at potluck.

I'd much rather wake up a little later and spend the entire day studying and visiting others with a renewed vigor than sleeping the rest of the day away just so I don't feel like a bad adventist for not going to church..

Is it wrong to go to church in Sunday? I don't think it is any more than sleeping away the entire Sabbath afternoon.

[JoeMo]

"Is it wrong to go to church in Sunday?"

 

Absolutely not - no more than it would be wrong to go to Wednesday night prayer meeting.   It is also not wrong to nap on Sabbath afternoons - not for me at least.

What is wrong is treating the Sabbath  like any other day.  It's a special day - whether you go to church, sleep in late and go to the mountains, or go on a bike ride.

 

The point is, instead of "enjoying" your job and the associated commute, enjoy God, your family, and your brothers and sisters.  If that involves church, so be it!

[bonnie]

As a convert to SDA, I would probably go to a Sunday worship service. It's not because it's what I'm used to, but because what has become of our Sabbath routine. I work 50 to 75 hours a week (5 days) and to be honest, getting up on Sabbath is hard. By the time we get the kids ready, breakfast, cleaned up, and in the car, I've been made to feel like it's just another work day. What's the running joke among adventist on Sabbath afternoon? "it's time for my lay activities!" So what's the point of a holy day if it's slept through? I try my best to study, read, and watch the Sabbath school lessons, but frankly I'm so exhausted I end up even nodding off at potluck.

I'd much rather wake up a little later and spend the entire day studying and visiting others with a renewed vigor than sleeping the rest of the day away just so I don't feel like a bad adventist for not going to church..

Is it wrong to go to church in Sunday? I don't think it is any more than sleeping away the entire Sabbath afternoon.

Whether it is wrong or not that is a choice you get to make. You have made the choice that your routine and responsibilities make it logical and more convenient to attend Sunday services. No one can decide for you whether it is wrong or not. For my family,yes it would be wrong.

My husband also worked many hours,six days a week and a ten hour day was a short day.We looked forward to Sabbath and yes he might take a short nap.  With raising eight kids it usually was a short one. But it was a day the kids and my husband and I looked forward to the other six days

[Bill Cork]

Here's an article by someone who actually went to Huntsville to see for themselves and to talk to the pastor about his intent.

 

http://spectrummagazine.org/article/2015/02/19/perspective-noble-progressivism-or-dangerous-apostasy-firsthand-account-%E2%80%9Csurge-ch

[D_Bishop]

There was a church here in Houston that was having Sunday services.  I've never been to that church.  It is located in far SW Houston, a part of town I don't frequent.  I am thinking it is a predominantly caribbean congregation.  The only reason I know about this is because the church was, and maybe still is on Facebook.  

 

As for Pastor Andrew Henriques I download his sermons off you tube onto my iPhone. I then play them via the iPhone in my car while I commute to and from work.  I like what he has to say.

[whbae]

Satan has not ceased his clever gimmick to dilute the Sabbath meaning!

[B/W Photodude]

As for Pastor Andrew Henriques I download his sermons off you tube onto my iPhone. I then play them via the iPhone in my car while I commute to and from work.  I like what he has to say.

I have liked what I have heard him say in YouTube videos I have watched. I called the Florida Conference to enquire about him and they declined to say anything about him except that he is not on the Florida Conference staff as a pastor in any of their churches and did not offer anything positive about him. After the Doug Batchler fiasco, it all makes sense now.

[Guest Sophia]

Andrew Henriques and his wife Hilary both attended Oakwood University.

[Guest Spiritual Warrior]

The only commandment to begin with the word remember, is the one commandment that most

try their best to forget!  Ironic.  God spoke it with His mouth and wrote it with His finger, and told

us that it would be a sign between Him and us, and man thinks it is no biggie to just change it

to a day of his liking?!  God had told us of this happening before hand in Daniel 7:25!  

Daniel 7:25 King James Version (KJV)

²⁵ And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High,

and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.  

<<<<< "think to" means it was not ever changed! >>>>>>   The Catholic church declares that she changed the

solemnity or solemness of the 7th day (now called Saturday) sabbath, to SUN day (was called the 1st day), and that the

very fact that she did make this change (in her mind only), that she in fact had such authority!  She claims that this is the "MARK" of her ecclesiastical authority!

Another words...  the MARK of the beast system... or the Mark of the Beast!  https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=national+sunday+law

As president Trump gives the "power back to the people",  eventually the people will demand that the united States should force

its people to worship on SUNday!  We will then have made an image to the beast!

 

 Catholic Church claims responsibility for the change from seventh-day to first-day Sabbath. Here is an explanation from The Catechism of the Catholic Church Section 2 Article 3 (1994):

Sunday – fulfillment of the Sabbath. Sunday is expressly distinguished from the Sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the Sabbath... 

The Sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation, has been replaced by Sunday which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ...

In respecting religious liberty and the common good of all, Christians should seek recognition of Sundays and the Church’s holy days as legal holidays.

And here are various Catholic sources claiming the change was the doing of the Roman Catholic Church:

Cardinal James Gibbons, The Faith of Our Fathers (Ayers Publishing, 1978): 108:

But you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.

The Convert's Catechism of Catholic Doctrine (1957): 50:

Q. Which is the Sabbath day?
A. Saturday is the Sabbath day.
Q. Why Do we observe Sunday instead of Saturday?
A. We observe Sunday instead of Saturday because the Catholic Church transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday.

Chancellor Albert Smith for Cardinal of Baltimore Archdiocese, letter dated February 10, 1920:

If Protestants would follow the Bible, they should worship God on the Sabbath day by God is Saturday. In keeping the Sunday, they are following a law of the Catholic Church.

Stephen Keenan, Catholic—Doctrinal Catechism 3rd Edition: 174:

Question: Have you any other way of proving the Church has power to institute festivals of precept? 

Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her, she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the 1st day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the 7th day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.ⁱ

 

^{Very very soon, we will all decide whether to follow man's law, and worship on SUNday, and thus be able to buy and sell, or will we follow God's 4th commandment, and remember the sabbath day (the 7th day Sat) to keep it holy, and not be able to buy or sell. but be dependent upon God to supply our needs by faith!  The separating of the sheep and the goats!  No more fence sitters!}

 

^{To be part of the original movement that EGW and founders had begun, one does not have to be on the church books of the corporate SDA church!}

^{Andrew Henriques does not have to be a corporate church member to be part of the remnant church either!  Best present truth preaching I have ever heard is}

^{from Andrew Henriques in these last days!}   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QLLFELy8a7c

[Daryl]

Seems like they stopped holding Sunday services???

[Gregory Matthews]

Sometimes we are to eager to rush in to a situation in the name of God, when it would be better for God to bring to light whether or not it should continue.

 

By the way:  Daryl, you are always welcome here.