The "cleansing" OF THE SANCTUARY

[8thdaypriest]

I actually find your posts more difficult to read (although I enjoy reading them) because of the (to my point of view) excessive underlining, all caps, in bold, etc.  All of that I find difficult to read and distracting.  It would be much easier for me to read if you emphasized what you wanted emphasized by the words you use and how you construct your sentences.

I'm commenting because you commented on posts which, although long, I found easy to read, because the formatting wasn't messed up, and, if there's any chance you will change how you post things (which I doubt, because people seem to be married to their posting style), I would really appreciate it, because I enjoy reading your posts.

Thanks for your input.  I personally LIKE people who cap and underline and color in their posts.  Just a different like.  We're all different.  

I think you and I are closer in our understanding of the controversy over the character of God, - that the only thing that will heal us is a restoration of perfect trust.  I used to love Graham Maxwell's lectures on "Can God be Trusted?".  

My focus on what I call "The 8th Day" is (at its core) also a focus on the character of God - that He is just, and will not leave any person behind to die, who might have come to believe if only he had lived a while longer.  

I liked your posts too.  I sent you a personal message. 

 

[pnattmbtc]

Thanks for your input.  I personally LIKE people who cap and underline and color in their posts.  Just a different like.  We're all different.  

I think you and I are closer in our understanding of the controversy over the character of God, - that the only thing that will heal us is a restoration of perfect trust.  I used to love Graham Maxwell's lectures on "Can God be Trusted?".  

My focus on what I call "The 8th Day" is (at its core) also a focus on the character of God - that He is just, and will not leave any person behind to die, who might have come to believe if only he had lived a while longer.  

I liked your posts too.  I sent you a personal message. 

 

I agree.  I like Ty Gibson a lot among current preachers.

Something I've been thinking about as an important distinction of different points of view is whether or not one views death as the natural or logical consequence of sin.  The "larger view" I think follows from this idea.

I've also been thinking (for years, but it always hits me) how important it is that we get that God the Father is just like Jesus Christ, and how we need to keep coming back to Jesus Christ, revealed by His teachings, His works of healing, how He dealt with people one and one, and above all His self-sacrificng love on the cross; all of these things were to reveal the Father to us.  "To know God is life eternal".

[Samie]

I believe the 2300-day prophecy is directly related with the taking away of the "daily", an event that takes place 1290 literal days before the setting up of the abomination of desolation = the image of the beast.  Our Master Teacher explained that the setting up of the abomination of desolation will trigger the start of the great tribulation = time of trouble, the occurrence of which God will shorten or no flesh will be alive at His coming.  And immediately after the great tribulation, unusual celestial phenomena will occur and will be capped by the 2nd Coming.

This simply means that the 2300 day-prophecy will find fulfillment shortly before the 2nd Coming.

[hch]

The real question:

"Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." Daniel 8:14

When is Jesus going to cleanse the Sanctuary (finish the job of Cleansing the Sanctuary that He began)

We know when He started, so when are the 2300-years going to end so that He can stand and say:

Rev 21:6  "And He said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely."

[pnattmbtc]

The real question:

"Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed." Daniel 8:14

When is Jesus going to cleanse the Sanctuary (finish the job of Cleansing the Sanctuary that He began)

We know when He started, so when are the 2300-years going to end so that He can stand and say:

Rev 21:6  "And He said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely."

This question, "When is Jesus going to cleanse the Sanctuary (finish the job of Cleansing the Sanctuary that He began)" is a vital one.  Is this something Jesus can do autonomously?  Or is the answer to this question dependent upon other things? (e.g., can we have a part in determining the timing of when this happens).

[hch]

This question, "When is Jesus going to cleanse the Sanctuary (finish the job of Cleansing the Sanctuary that He began)" is a vital one.  Is this something Jesus can do autonomously?  Or is the answer to this question dependent upon other things? (e.g., can we have a part in determining the timing of when this happens).

some folks say that we can hasten Christ's return or delay it.

But as I read the Bible, it is at an appointed time. Ready or not there is a time that Jesus will come.

[8thdaypriest]

In Daniel Cpt 8, we have the ram vs goat (from the West), and "four horns" coming up on the goat, and a "little horn" coming up on one of the four (which means the four horns are still there, and so is the goat). 

In Daniel Cpt 7, we have "four beasts" and one of them has 10 horns, and then a "little horn" comes up among the 10 uprooting 3, leaving 8 horns.  (So this Beast still HAS 7 horns in the final picture.) 

I personally believe that the visions are ONE.  The "four horns" and the "four beasts" represent the SAME prophecy.  An the "little horn" is the same entity in BOTH visions. 

8:9 The "little horn"
                      exalted himself high as the Prince of Host (v.11)
                      by him the daily was taken away,  (So - Christ did not take away "the daily" when He died.)
                      by him the Sanctuary was cast down,
                      by him the host were trampled (v.24)

The QUESTION: For how long?  How long will this little horn power desecrate the Sanctuary, and trample the host?    The ANSWER: unto 2300 evening/morning.  
THEN: The Sanctuary will be “cleansed”, justified, restored to its rightful state.

It looks to me like the Sanctuary is restored to a "cleansed" state by the end of the 2300 evening/morning. 

    8:26 Seal up the vision of the evenings and mornings.  

That vision was SEALED !!   But when is it opened for understanding ?  Adventists say it was opened in 1798, which they say, began the "time of the end". 

Adventists say the 2300 evening/morning came to an END on October 22nd, 1844.  But we don't even understand what "the daily" represents (in this prophecy), so how can we believe that it has been taken away already?

Daniel 11:4 “seal the book”.   Book is sealed until the time of the end.

Daniel 11:9  “the words are sealed until the time of the end”. 

[8thdaypriest]

Personally, I think the "time, times and a part', 1260 days, 42 months, (that period of time) seems a better candidate for "the time of the end" - the time leading up to the END. 

I know that Adventists interpreted the prophecy of the 1260 as ENDING in back in 1798, when the Pope was taken captive.  The Pope's captivity did NOT end the Papacy, or the Roman Catholic Church.  Adventists say this was the "deadly wound" for "the beast".   

But the 1260 days, time-times-and a part, 42 months END with the heavenly court scene, and with dominion given to Christ and His saints.  That time period does not END with the "deadly wound".  The healing of the "deadly wound" is what BEINGS that time period. 

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. 4 So they worshiped the dragon who gave authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, "Who is like the beast? Who is able to make war with him?" 5 And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. 6 Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. 7 It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. 8 All who dwell on the earth will worship him, whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. (Rev 13:3 NKJ)

"The deadly wound was healed".  THEN "he was given authority to continue for forty-two months.   During this 42 months, "it was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them." 

This is just what it says in Daniel, about the "little horn".    He speaks pompous words" (7:11).  He "was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them UNTIL the judgment came down in favor of the saints (7:22).  "The saints shall be given into his hand for a time, and times, and half a time."  The period of their persecution ENDS with the judgment of the heavenly "court". 

Now - someone might argue that the court will sit at the beginning of the 1260 days.  I would consider that argument.   More likely, the "appointed times" tell us WHEN the "court" of judgment will sit.  That "appointed time" would be the "Day of Atonement".