Is our God the Father the Allah of the Muslims?

[Samie]

I say Yes.

[JoeMo]

I say absolutely not!!

1. Jehovah is a God of love, Allah is a god of war.

2. Jehovah has a Son. Allah does not.

3. Allah (or his prophets at least) call for the death on all non-believers and infidels, Jehovah God "so loved the world that he allowed His own Son to die so we would not have to.

Allah is another name for satan. Anyone who allies himself with Allah is indeed in danger of having their name blotted out of the Book of Life and being assigned to the lake of fire.

Saying that Allah and Jehovah are the same is at the extreme end of the emergent church; and opens the door to negotiating with satan and melding the principles of satan's kingdom with our own.

Forming alliances with the enemy and incorporating their religious practice is how Israel became a harlot.  Is forming an alliance with Islam and incorporating their religious practices out of fear and an "ecumenical spirit" going to make many Christian churches harlots as well?

When a jihadist is holding a sword to your throat (more likely in the Philipines than in the U.S.),  are you gonna say Allah is God?  It is dangerous even to postulate the possibility that Allah and Jehovah are the same.  That's one way satan can deceive even the very elect.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

I thought the descendants of Abraham through Ishmael worshipped the God of Abraham.

Are there not religions that worship God, though they aren't in agreement on the life and meaning of Jesus?

God isn't defined by the works of men, especially those who have taken His words and twisted them to make them mean whatever they selfishly want.

or maybe I'm wrong....

[JoeMo]

I thought the descendants of Abraham through Ishmael worshipped the God of Abraham.

Are there not religions that worship God, though they aren't in agreement on the life and meaning of Jesus?

God isn't defined by the works of men, especially those who have taken His words and twisted them to make them mean whatever they selfishly want.

or maybe I'm wrong....

Yes, there are non-Christians that worship Jehovah God without acknowledging Christ - Jews for one.  Most of those religions don't want to behead you if you are a follower of Christ.  Radical Islam does want to behead you.  God indeed is not defined by the works of men.  There are those who have twisted God's word to their own advantage.

The descendants of Ishmael are not necessarily Muslims; they are necessarily Arabs.  Muslims are followers of Muhammad.  Not all Muslims are Arab (descendants of Ishmael); and not all Arabs are Muslim.  Descendants of Ishmael are an ethnic group; Islam is a religion.  Apples and oranges (although I concede that the original Muslims did come out of the Ishmaelites).

[Samie]

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah

The term Allāh is derived from a contraction of the Arabic definite article al- "the" and ilāh "deity, god" to al-lāh meaning "the [sole] deity, God" (ὁ θεὸς μόνος, ho theos monos).^[15]Cognates of the name "Allāh" exist in other Semitic languages, including Hebrew and Aramaic.^[16] The corresponding Aramaic form is Elah (אלה), but its emphatic state is Elaha (אלהא). It is written as ܐܠܗܐ (ʼĔlāhā) in Biblical Aramaic and ܐܲܠܵܗܵܐ (ʼAlâhâ) in Syriac as used by the Assyrian Church, both meaning simply "God".^[17]Biblical Hebrew mostly uses the plural (but functional singular) form Elohim (אלהים), but more rarely it also uses the singular form Eloah (אלוהּ). In the Sikh scripture of Guru Granth Sahib, the term Allah (Punjabi: ਅਲਹੁ) is used 37 times.^[18]

The name was previously used by pagan pre-Islamic Arabs as a reference to a creator deity, possibly the supreme deity in pre-Islamic Arabia.^[19][20]

Allah is unique, the only Deity, creator of the universe and omnipotent.^[9][10] Arab Christians today use terms such as Allāh al-Ab (الله الأب, 'God the Father') to distinguish their usage from Muslim usage.^[21] There are both similarities and differences between the concept of God as portrayed in the Quran and the Hebrew Bible.^[22] It has also been applied to certain living human beings as personifications of the term and concept.^[23][24]

Our God the Father is the creator of the whole universe. The Muslims call Him Allah.

[Sojourner]

Do muslims believe that allah was dead at one point and then alive? If so potentially the answer to your question may be yes, but the fact remains that muslims openly reject the Alpha and the Omega, the I AM as described in the New Testament.

"When I saw Him, I fell at His feet like a dead man. And He placed His right hand on me, saying, "Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, 18and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades." Rev 1:17-18

[Samie]

The Father is NOT the Son. I believe Rev 1:18 is the Son speaking.

[Samie]

Allah is another name for satan.

I don't think so, brother.

"Allah" is Arabic word which means "Deity" or "God"; "satan" is a Hebrew word which means "adversary".

[JoeMo]

You can use your dictionary definition.  I prefer to define him by his character - the accuser and the perscutor.  They call him Allah because they indeed worship him as god.  As far as I'm concerned, Allah may be the vehicle by which satan claims to be God.

[Samie]

It's not simply dictionary definition. I had been to the Middle East where Arab-speaking Christians refer to God the Father as "Allah".

[JoeMo]

Samie,

You are free to believe what you want.  By observing their fruits, I can't see me ever believing that the god of radical Islam is the same as Jehovah. Do you also believe that the Koran was inspired by the same spirit that inspired the Bible?  If Jesus is the "Word" (i.e., the inspiration of the Bible), is He also The "word" of the Koran?  The very "word" that denies the existence of Christ and calls for the death of all Jews and Christians?  Satan has set himself up to be god; and I believe that god currently goes by the name of Allah.

Edited August 4, 2015 by JoeMo

[Samie]

Hi TW;

One day, Dennis told his friend: If you have come to see my brother Denno, then you have seen him, since you have seen me.  Denno and Dennis are twin-brothers.  But Denno is NOT Dennis.

[Samie]

"Allah" is not the invention neither the property of radical Islam.  "Allah" predates the birth of Islam. There are many peace-loving Christians who refer to our God the Father as "Allah".

[JoeMo]

"Allah" is not the invention neither the property of radical Islam.  "Allah" predates the birth of Islam. There are many peace-loving Christians who refer to our God the Father as "Allah".

That doesn't answer my question.  If you believe that Allah and Jehovah are the same, do you also believe that the same "Word" that inspired the Bible also inspired the Koran?

[Samie]

I don't think the inspiration of the Bible is of the same inspiration as that of the Qu'ran.

[Samie]

this is a good point; except that in the Bible, God IS Jesus, and Jesus IS God. And in Rev 1:18 "I am he which liveth and was dead," can only be referring to "God."

Can you show me a verse from the Bible saying that "God is Jesus"?  The phrase in Rev 1:18 "I am he which liveth and was dead" specifically refers to Jesus. It was the Son Who died on the cross, NOT the Father.

[pierrepaul]

As mentioned several times, "Allah" is simply Arabic for "God".

But when considering the Muslim understanding of God with the Christian understanding of God, there are of course differences. However, there are also differences between the SdA understanding of God and the Baptist understanding of God. Does this mean we worship different Gods? Does the SdA who believes that Jesus took on Adam's unfallen nature worship a different God than the SdA who believes that Jesus took on our fallen nature? Does the Western Christian who believes that the Holy Spirit proceeds from both the Father and Son (the famous "Filioque" clause) worship a different God than the Eastern Orthodox who believes that the Holy Spirit only proceeds from the Father? Do five-point Calvinists who believe in limited atonement worship a different God than the Wesleyans who believe in universal atonement?

At what point does our varying understandings of God depart sufficiently from common ground so that we say one worships a "different God"? This question is of course one of semantics, not substance.

[JoeMo]

Can you show me a verse from the Bible saying that "God is Jesus"?  The phrase in Rev 1:18 "I am he which liveth and was dead" specifically refers to Jesus. It was the Son Who died on the cross, NOT the Father.

No; but I can show you plenty of verses where Jesus is worshipped; and the Father seems to be okay with it.  If those who worship Jesus are not worshipping God, who are they worshipping; and why would the Father condone this idolatrous activity?

[Samie]

How would we on earth know whether the Father in heaven condones those who worship Jesus or not?

[8thdaypriest]

"Allah" is not the invention neither the property of radical Islam.  "Allah" predates the birth of Islam. There are many peace-loving Christians who refer to our God the Father as "Allah".

If "Allah" simply means "divine One" - then I would say that my "Allah" is NOT the Muslim "Allah". 

Mohammed claimed that an "angel" sent by Allah, possessed him, and took him on a night journey.  (I think we know who that "angel" was.)  Mohammed wrote what Allah dictated.  Allah ordered the subjugation of all peoples, their conversion to Islam, or their death.  The Koran, dictated by Allah's messenger, says that Abraham took Ishmael up the mount to sacrifice [not Isaac], says Ishmael is the firstborn chosen son. 

The Koran essentially rewrote the ENTIRE Bible, reversing the characters.  In the OT, all the Muslim nations are defeated by Messiah when He returns as a conqueror.  The Koran reverses this, so that Israel and all Christians are defeated by the Muslim Mahdi.  Jesus, who did NOT die on a cross, will come back to enforce Sharia law under the Mahdi. 

Islam's Antichrist is our Messiah, and our Messiah is their al-Dajjal (Great Deceiver).  The al-Dajjal does miracles of healing in order to deceive.  He will pretend to be the Messiah, and will deceive the people with amazing powers.  He will temporarily take over the world, but will be defeated.  The Korah, absolutely turns EVERYTHING from our Bible - on it's head. 

And consider how women are treated, in the Koran.  Women are deceivers.  Most of those in HELL are women.  Women must be tightly controlled.  Muslim men may take 4 wives, but the Prophet himself was allowed 24, including 2 child "brides".  The Koran actually allows men to have sex with little boys, but prohibits adult males from acting as "women" in the sex act. 

Women from conquered cities are "booty" to be used as "temporary wives" of the "righteous warriors".  We hear about ALL OF THIS, in the stories about ISIS. 

[JoeMo]

How would we on earth know whether the Father in heaven condones those who worship Jesus or not?

"Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth—to every nation, tribe, language and people. ⁷ He said in a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water.” (Rev. 14:6-7)

The same author says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ² He was with God in the beginning. ³ Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." (John 1:1-3)  So isn't Rev. 14 telling us to worship Jesus?  Of course, the angel saying that could be mistaken ...

 

[Samie]

The Bible says there is ONLY One God.  This ONLY One God is called by many different names in many different languages. Whatever name one person calls Him in his language, that person refers to this same God.

KJV Malachi 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us?

[Samie]

"Then I saw another angel flying in midair, and he had the eternal gospel to proclaim to those who live on the earth—to every nation, tribe, language and people. ⁷ He said in a loud voice, “Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water.” (Rev. 14:6-7)

The same author says "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. ² He was with God in the beginning. ³ Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." (John 1:1-3)  So isn't Rev. 14 telling us to worship Jesus?  Of course, the angel saying that could be mistaken ...

I don't recall faulting anyone for worshiping our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ Who Himself said:

^NRS Luke 4:8 Jesus answered him, "It is written, 'Worship the Lord your God, and serve only him.'"

[8thdaypriest]

Jesus also said, "No one comes to the Father, except by Me."  Islam says THAT is heresy punishable by death. 

[Samie]

Whatever Muslims say or do not say does not negate the fact that "Allah" is a word they do not own nor invented themselves. As had been for several times stated, "Allah" is a word that existed long before the advent of Islam.