Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted October 2, 2016 Administrators Posted October 2, 2016 A caveat is in order. This from a clearly partisan web site. It is blunt, uncomfortably so. And I suspect it may make some angry and others may be vigorously nodding their agreement. If you are the former, don't get all defensive, shouting your deep offendedness or quickly dismissing the source. Just read it. And think about it. If you are the latter, just be nice, no need to pile it on. Let the opinion piece speak for itself. And remember that you live in a glass house too. For what it is worth - http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2016/9/30/1576113/-If-You-Tell-Me-You-Are-Supporting-Trump-I-Already-Know-Seven-Things-About-You?detail=facebook Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
GayatfootofCross Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 I read it. mums the word Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
bonnie Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 3 hours ago, Tom Wetmore said: A caveat is in order. This from a clearly partisan web site. It is blunt, uncomfortably so. And I suspect it may make some angry and others may be vigorously nodding their agreement. If you are the former, don't get all defensive, shouting your deep offendedness or quickly dismissing the source. Just read it. And think about it. If you are the latter, just be nice, no need to pile it on. Let the opinion piece speak for itself. And remember that you live in a glass house too. For what it is worth - http://m.dailykos.com/stories/2016/9/30/1576113/-If-You-Tell-Me-You-Are-Supporting-Trump-I-Already-Know-Seven-Things-About-You?detail=facebook 1. You want to be ruled, not governed. The single trait that predicts the Trump supporter has nothing to do with race, income, or education. A researcher at the University of Massachusetts found that the top predictor of whether a voter supports Trump is his or her proclivity towards authoritarianism. Authoritarians obey. They rally to and follow strong leaders. And they respond aggressively to outsiders, especially when they feel threatened. From pledging to “make America great again” by building a wall on the border to promising to close mosques and ban Muslims from visiting the United States, Trump is playing directly to authoritarian inclinations. So spare me your lectures about market freedoms or any constitutional rights you claim to hold dear. You want a dictator in the style of Putin, which pretty much makes you anti-America This is interesting but leaves out just a little in his accusation. Did Trump claim to want all mosques closed? MN shows a surprising number for Trump. Surprising as MN is always very liberal and backs any liberal candidate. Rather than wanting a dictator they do not want to be dictated to . Mpls is a recruiting ground for extremists. Many mosques are recruiting centers for extremists. Maybe they should be welcomed as harmless little fuzz balls but those living in close proximity to this don't view extremist muslims as harmless. Hillary Clinton was all in favor of the wall that the liberals are so critical of now. I don't recall any of you carrying on about the desire for her supporters to want a dictator. Somalia muslims have terrorized neighborhoods with threats to rape and kill just because they can. I am sure those here would welcome the threat to their wives and children in their own homes but those "wanting a dictator" are not crazy about being barricaded in their homes by "harmless extremists". For some strange reason they object to being attacked and stabbed in their local shopping mall. To a liberal this spells racism and bigotry. To those dealing with it, it means something quite different. KNowing the situation will only be magnified by a Clinton presidency they turn in the direction of Trump. Not wanting a dictator but not wanting to be dictated to by a extremist religious group. Many do believe there has to be some common sense rules applied to immmigration. Minneapolis has become recruiting ground for Islamic extremists MINNEAPOLIS - The U.S. military said today the number of airstrikes against ISIS targets in Iraq has topped 100. President Barack Obama is getting closer to a decision on whether to attack ISIS bases in Syria as well. He's expected to meet with the National Security Council on Thursday. An American named Douglas McAuthur McCain died in Syria fighting for ISIS, the acronym for the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, which has taken over parts of Iraq and Syria. He was from Minnesota - where he and other Americans were recruited. The Cedar-Riverside neighborhood of Minneapolis is sometimes called "Little Mogadishu." It's center of the nation's largest concentration of Somalis, and fertile ground for Islamic terrorist groups recruiting new fighters. McCain grew up just a 15-minute drive from here. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted October 2, 2016 Members Posted October 2, 2016 Sorry, but until such an opinion piece can add that: 1) Clinton will "govern," not "rule"... 2) all Clinton supporters have "class" (that's rich...) 3) all Clinton supporters are superb, honest businessmen/businesswomen ... 4) all Clinton supporters never uttered one racist statement in their entire lives ... 5) Clinton and all her supporters have never downgraded women ... 6) Clinton and all her supporters are Christian and/or adhere to a belief system that follows the Golden Rule ... 7) Clinton and all her supporters adhere to the US Constitution and don't want to abolish any section ... then, I'm not too impressed with the "opinion piece"... And, by the way, the point of writing such an item appears to be two-fold: a. to make many Democrats feel good and smug about themselves without having to take a very hard look at their own candidate and their own personal views, and b. to gain supporters for Clinton without laying claim to any of the problematic issues surrounding *her*... the opinion piece certainly wasn't written as a tool for a polite, informative conversation starter with those who support Trump. They already know the immorality that is connected with the man. Being rude isn't pretty for Trump, but by the same token, written or verbal rudeness by Clinton supporters isn't exactly a stellar virtue, either. Instead of demeaning Trump supporters (which really *should* be offensive to ALL voters), stick to explaining why Clinton and four more years of the Obama mindset is best for the nation. (But that won't happen, because it's more fun to mock and vilify anyone who doesn't believe the way they do.) Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted October 2, 2016 Author Administrators Posted October 2, 2016 I'm not posting this to imply this woman is representative of all Trump supporters. It is just to show in an in-depth way how so much of what Trump and the alt right say appeals to a certain fringe segment of society. Strongly appealing in fact. That he does appeal to them resulting in the response that she has of finally someone who thinks like she does, says a lot about him. Read it and think about it - https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/finally-someone-who-thinks-like-me/2016/10/01/c9b6f334-7f68-11e6-9070-5c4905bf40dc_story.html?wpisrc=nl_headlines&wpmm=1 Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted October 2, 2016 Author Administrators Posted October 2, 2016 Like when he goes off script - https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/02/as-news-of-trumps-taxes-broke-he-goes-off-script-at-a-rally-in-pennsylvania/?tid=hybrid_collaborative_1_na Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
bonnie Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 40 minutes ago, rudywoofs (Pam) said: Sorry, but until such an opinion piece can add that: 4) all Clinton supporters never uttered one racist statement in their entire lives ... Unbiased Salon..... http://www.salon.com/2016/02/26/hillary_clinton_has_a_race_problem_and_its_resurfacing_at_a_dangerous_time/ I tired to find a "I was wrong" I shouldn't have said what I did" I sincerely apologize for my racist remarks Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
bonnie Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 43 minutes ago, rudywoofs (Pam) said: 2) all Clinton supporters have "class" (that's rich...) That really is a "rich" comment. Is it possible to count the number of classy friends that have been involved with unsavory actions. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted October 2, 2016 Author Administrators Posted October 2, 2016 In a quest to try to explain or understand Trump's appeal, this might just capture the reality. It is visceral. For those among us who might fancy themselves as at least a little bit more rational in trying to decide on the next leader of this country, this might make sense. Without raising your blood pressure so much... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/30/chris-matthews-just-nailed-donald-trumps-appeal/ Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
bonnie Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 Now this is class, People tend to surround themselves with those like themselves Last week, Pennsylvania Attorney General Kathleen Kane resigned after being convicted on nine felony counts, including obstruction of justice, perjury and leaking grand jury testimony to the media against her political opponent. Kane, a Democrat, was an up-and-coming star of sorts in a party decimated by two mid- term elections. She also has deep ties to Hillary Clinton, having quit her job as a DA in 2007 to join Clinton’s failed campaign for President. Hillary not only endorsed her for Attorney General, but Bill Clinton campaigned for and cut ads for her. This is, of course, just a minor blight on Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign and a one-time deal where the impeccable Clintons find themselves tainted by just one bad criminal association. Just kidding. Discover Why Watertown, SD is a True Treasure Take a fall getaway to Watertown, South Dakota and experience genuine hospitality and the beauty of this American small town. Ad by Watertown Kane is just one of several Clinton associates who have found themselves in trouble with the law—in this election cycle alone. Let’s run down the list the rest of the media has pretty much skated over as they clear a path for Hillary’s historic, history-making campaign to become the historically first historic female President: Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe McAuliffe came under FBI investigation in May for allegedly making illegal campaign donations during his time as a board member at, you guessed it, the Clinton Global Initiative. The allegations, again you guessed it, involved a high-profile Chinese businessman, Wang Wenliang, who donated as much as $120,000 to McAuliffe. Just another one of those darn coincidences by a close Clinton confidant. Sheldon Silver Silver, a former New York State Assembly Speaker and Democrat heavyweight in New York, was convicted on federal corruption charges last year just as Hillary was fretting over her email server and ramping up for her campaign launch. Silver was sentenced to 12 years in prison for using his position to fleece taxpayers for over $5 million. Oh, he also just happens to be the person Hillary credits most with launching her political career in New York. She has used his law firm on several occasions. Ng Lap Seng Chinese Billionaire and Clinton mega donor Ng Lap Seng was arrested in October in a UN bribery conspiracy. Seng made several trips to New York carrying suitcases of money allegedly for UN officials, and at the time of his arrest was sporting a $200,000 watch. Seng also enjoyed 10 visits to Bill Clinton’s White House and was a Clinton-Gore supporter. Party like it’s 1996! Mikel Watts Mikel Watts, a prominent San Antonio attorney, and six other co-defendants were accused of conspiring to file fraudulent claims against BP Oil, which included stealing the identities of victims who were not represented by the firm. He allegedly created fake victims to defraud BP out of chunks of a $2 billion settlement. BP’s lengthy trial wrapped up last week, and Watts was acquitted of charges by a jury. This is great news for Hillary Clinton, and for Watts, a prominent fundraiser for Ready For Hillary PAC, and a Texas Democrat super donor, who has contributed to everyone from Barack Obama to Julian Castro. Sant Chatwal Chatwal, a major campaign bundler for Hillary Clinton in 2008, pled guilty in 2014 to making more than $180,000 in illegal campaign donations between 2007 and 2011. Those illegal donations magically somehow found their way to Hillary Clinton’s campaign. Chatwal attended two state dinners in 2000 with then-President Bill. In 2000, he hosted a fundraiser for Senate Candidate Hillary that raised half-a-million dollars. He was sentenced to three years probation. Lucky him. Again, all of this happened during the current presidential campaign cycle, where the unsuspecting Clintons have somehow found themselves once again involved with all these shady characters. Hillary had similar issues in 2008 with being innocently tied to dubious characters like Abdul Rehman Jinnah and Mauricio Celis. Not to mention the fallout from Hassan Nemazee, Hillary’s national finance chairman for her 2008 campaign, orWilliam Danielczyk, who illegally reimbursed himself for donations to the Clintons in 2011. And let’s not forget Norman Hsu, a prominent donor to her 2007 Senate campaign, or Charlie Trie, or Yau Cheng—all became convicted felons after making their way into the Clinton inner circle thanks to their fundraising prowess. This is all fine, though. I’m sure when Hillary is sworn in, she will do a better job of making sure the Presidency is protected from such strange goings-on and be extra diligent to make sure such Scooby Doo-like villains won’t be able to come near her, as they have done for the past 25 years. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
bonnie Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 12 minutes ago, Tom Wetmore said: In a quest to try to explain or understand Trump's appeal, this might just capture the reality. It is visceral. For those among us who might fancy themselves as at least a little bit more rational in trying to decide on the next leader of this country, this might make sense. Without raising your blood pressure so much... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/09/30/chris-matthews-just-nailed-donald-trumps-appeal/ The reality of some is definitely explained by agreement with foaming at the mouth,thrill up my leg Chris Matthews Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted October 2, 2016 Author Administrators Posted October 2, 2016 Who shot the messenger... ( I hear music...) Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
CoAspen Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 Every time Trump opens his mouth........garbage falls out. He has no self control and yet the same on or two issues people have with HC is all we hear about from his supporters. Simply amazing!!! Quote
bonnie Posted October 2, 2016 Posted October 2, 2016 2 hours ago, Tom Wetmore said: Who shot the messenger... ( I hear music...) I think the music you hear could be your own voice I seems soooo hard for you to understand there are those that do not bow to your wisdom. People can disagree with you and consider aspects important that you don't, and still be christian and not wanting a dictatorship. Nor as one put it a closet bully. You appear to be very condescending towards those you don't think quite get it. For every negative article on Trump one can be posted that is equally negative towards Clinton. You dismiss those critical of Clinton and post and pounce on any that is negative of Trump. Again I am sure it surprises you but those considered beneath your intelligence and insight have read those as well as those dealing with Clinton. If I personally was going to be influenced in my vote by those that condemn,ridicule and judge because I cannot agree with their "right position" I would vote Trump based on that alone. Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted October 3, 2016 Author Administrators Posted October 3, 2016 Over react much? Sorry you obviously missed the allusion... Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
CoAspen Posted October 3, 2016 Posted October 3, 2016 Quote For every negative article on Trump one can be posted that is equally negative towards Clinton. Really, why don't you count them up, it already been done, but you can come up with your own number. Than exam both lists and fact check them, The Trump campaign has been and continues to be GIGO! He can't control his mouth or maybe its his brain. Hmmm.....I wonder, is he mentaly fit to run the country, let alone his own business? I read even his family is a concerned! Wow, can you imagine that. Quote
bonnie Posted October 3, 2016 Posted October 3, 2016 Yes you are right. What I meant by negatives are illegal activities or the accusation of. He does have a mouth that runs away with him.Hillary is cunning and is deceptive in a much smoother manner. For those that seem to think their opinions are God-given and that God might do well to take their advice and wisdom on the state of the nation. I'm pretty sure God has it covered without the wink wink on one and the thunder and brimstone on the other. I am glad neither can hide lies or corruption in the end no matter who resides in Hillary's asylum Quote Everything you do is based on the choices you make. It's not your parents, your past relationships, your job, the economy, the weather, an argument, or your age that is to blame. You and only you are responsible for every decision and choice you make, period ... ... Wish more people would realize this. Quotes by Susan Gottesman
CoAspen Posted October 3, 2016 Posted October 3, 2016 Quote I am glad neither can hide lies or corruption in the end no matter who resides in Hillary's asylum. Not sure what you meant by Hillary's asylum?? Also about who?? I need a little more explanation before I can reply to that. Thanks Quote
Administrators Tom Wetmore Posted October 5, 2016 Author Administrators Posted October 5, 2016 In yet another effort on this quest to understand the weirdly warped political world we find ourselves - https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/about-thinking/201610/trump-is-only-the-symptom Just trying to run counter to the trend and make sense of it all... CoAspen and GayatfootofCross 2 Quote "Absurdity reigns and confusion makes it look good." "Sinless perfection is such a shallow goal." "I love God only as much as the person I love the least." *Forgiveness is always good news. And that is the gospel truth. (And finally, the ideas expressed above are solely my person views and not that of any organization with which I am associated.)
GayatfootofCross Posted October 6, 2016 Posted October 6, 2016 Maybe the Trump supporters know something I do not. http://bizstandardnews.com/2016/07/14/robertson-said-he-had-vision-of-trump-seated-at-the-right-hand-of-the-lord/ Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted October 6, 2016 Members Posted October 6, 2016 3 minutes ago, GayatfootofCross said: Maybe the Trump supporters know something I do not. http://bizstandardnews.com/2016/07/14/robertson-said-he-had-vision-of-trump-seated-at-the-right-hand-of-the-lord/ Gay, you do realize that BS News is a satire website, right? Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
GayatfootofCross Posted October 6, 2016 Posted October 6, 2016 19 minutes ago, rudywoofs (Pam) said: Gay, you do realize that BS News is a satire website, right? Thank you for saying that! ugh I didn't know who to ask to find out and knew if I put it up someone would school me, Thanku! I will eat my post. Robertson does have quite a track record! Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
CoAspen Posted October 6, 2016 Posted October 6, 2016 I am beginning to think that this whole election thing is satire along with the current squabble of WO and conference issues!! How could it be anything but!! GayatfootofCross 1 Quote
GayatfootofCross Posted October 6, 2016 Posted October 6, 2016 ..or is it the same spirit being exposed by religious leaders and political ? Tom Wetmore 1 Quote For all Eternity God waited in anticipation for You to show up to give You a Message - YOUR INCLUDED !!! { a merry dance }?️? " If you tarry 'til you're better You will never come at all " .. "I Will Rise" by the late great saved Glen Campbell If your picture of God is starting to feel too good to be true, you're starting to move in the right direction. "My bounty is as boundless as the sea, My love as deep; the more I give to thee, The more I have, for both are infinite." Romeo and Juliet
JoeMo Posted October 6, 2016 Posted October 6, 2016 The unholy trinity - politics, economics, and religion. phkrause and GayatfootofCross 2 Quote
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