A False Report of Rape

[B/W Photodude]

11 hours ago, Gregory Matthews said:

In a previous post Photodude mentioned a number of studies that he felt supported his view on the false reports of rape.  They interested me and I decided to investigate.  The more I searched the Internet, the more concerned I became.  As a major issue:  It became apparent that most of the websites simply quoted each other and did not cite an original source.  This troubled me.  I wished that Photodude had cited an original source.  Further, I could not find any information as to the alleged source article for the alleged 1985 U.S. Air force study.

While one study may have been inaccurate to some, the article posted included many other studies, statistics, and individual cases which took up the issue of false allegations regarding rape or sexual assault. The intent of the article was not to say that most claims were false, but to dispute the 2-10% number that gets thrown around as truth. In the following link to that article was one put out by the Loyola Law School at Loyola Marymount University which directly took on this 2-10% myth. While the Air Force study is claimed to be copied from website to website, so also does the 2-10% get thrown around by everyone. 

Personally, I think this whole issue is much too complex to be settled in this forum.

[B/W Photodude]

18 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

This might be true, but can we use this KIND of fact to minimize or trivialize what many women actually do have to suffer through? IMHO They must be given voice; and the justice should not be "extra-judicial" since some here do not like the phrase 'due process."

I believe the anecdotal reports I was referring to were for men who were caught up in these allegations. But of course, male suffering isn't as worth as much as female suffering! Reminds me of how every time something happens in the news, they give the female "body count" like the men didn't even exist. I hear a traffic accident reporrt on the news and the newscaster will say, "Five people were killed in the accident including one woman!" Why was that even important? I recall one recent statistic that one in four homeless people are women. Wait a minute! Who are the other three?

[B/W Photodude]

As these false allegations continue, real victims may end up not even being believed.

It comes as London Met Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe suggested the force may stop “automatically” believing alleged rape victims after a series of high-profile mistakes in its handling of cases. 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/man-falsely-accused-of-sexually-assaulting-actress-feels-like-he-has-undergone-mental-torture-a6867366.html

Can you imagine that? This man was just walking past someone in a busy tube station and gets accused and his life turned into hell for a year with a criminal trial.
 

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

2 hours ago, B/W Photodude said:

I believe the anecdotal reports I was referring to were for men who were caught up in these allegations. But of course, male suffering isn't as worth as much as female suffering! Reminds me of how every time something happens in the news, they give the female "body count" like the men didn't even exist. I hear a traffic accident reporrt on the news and the newscaster will say, "Five people were killed in the accident including one woman!" Why was that even important? I recall one recent statistic that one in four homeless people are women. Wait a minute! Who are the other three?

I've always wondered about this sort of thing too.... it's as if only one part of the population is important enough to be mentioned.

[B/W Photodude]

1 hour ago, The Wanderer said:

I call these kinds of know it all web sites Turkey Shoots. ...
If I HAD to learn from such one-cause turkey shoots; how to be a real man; ...

I don't think you really used the phrase ""turkey shoot" correctly. 

There was no call for you to "learn how to be a man" from the site either. It is simply a site that discusses the rights of men or how the rights of men are being violated. However, most people seem to think men have all the rights or have no rights to have rights. Many feminists go ballistic when the issue of men's right are raised. Strangely enough, over in Europe, at least one country is in the process of setting up a governmental agency just to address the rights of men and boys. And in this country, oddly enough, those who most seem to write books on the issues of the rights of men and boys are women! They are tired of seeing how their husbands, brothers, fathers, and sons are being treated and are interested in their futures. 

[B/W Photodude]

2 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

I am sorry, but its stuff like this that ruins your case. Its even worse than "anecdotal."

Anecdotal examples are usually part of any argument. Doesn't matter what the topic is, they provide examples of the abstract thought being presented. As far as what I post being "drivel", even those those things of others which I don't agree with, I don't call them derogatory names but deal more with the material being presented. But some here just like to trash others without giving any real opposing argument. 

[CoAspen]

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 But some here just like to trash others without giving any real opposing argument. 

The opposing arguments to the 'trashing' of women rights, equality in all aspects of life have been very 'real'!

[B/W Photodude]

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[B/W Photodude]

While some have disparaged men's rights groups here at Adventistan, reality is men are being persecuted and injured and/or killed over false allegations. Perhaps movements like the women's rights movement made it to some parts of the world where they were not able to assimilate it into their culture in a safe way (as if it has been done anywhere safely). You will notice in the link below what is happening to men in India when a false allegation of rape is made:

https://medium.com/@jimpreston_36730/more-men-will-be-burned-alive-in-india-from-false-accusations-metoo-9d0773b57159

Governmental practices have even made it financially lucrative from the start by accusing some man of a sex crime. Even criminals have found ways to turn false allegations into a financial windfall:

https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/5-arrests-in-4-days-false-rape-cases-surge-in-haryana/story-dGIqfNqTFbA1YyFwjAe35K.html

Many men think they are above being a victim of such an accusation. However, many have foun d they were wrong when the full weight of government and media falls on their heads.

[Outta Here]

Curious. B/W Photodude (Prophet of Doom), if you were a woman, and you were raped--would you even bother to report it? 

[B/W Photodude]

5 hours ago, Outta Here said:

Curious. B/W Photodude (Prophet of Doom), if you were a woman, and you were raped--would you even bother to report it? 

Why do you need to ask "if I was a woman" to consider the question? Like men don't get raped? Let me fix those preconceived ideas of yours regarding who is getting raped and who is perpetrating rape.

Men forced to have sex with women aren’t being properly recognised by the law – legal expert

These crimes, also known as “forced-to-penetrate” or “compelled penetration” cases, occur when a man is forced to penetrate, with his penis, a woman’s vagina, anus, or mouth. It is not recognised as rape under the law. In fact, the law on rape is defined in such a way that only men are recognised as principal offenders. Though there have been a handful of women convicted of rape, they have been convicted as accomplices, not principals.

https://theconversation.com/men-forced-to-have-sex-with-women-arent-being-properly-recognised-by-the-law-legal-expert-81638

Women Need To Be Educated About Sexual Consent, Right Now They Aren’t

How can women aggressively rape men? It’s very simple: men do not fight back because they will be the party arrested, as specified under the Violence Against Women Act, which has a mandatory arrest clause that almost always means the man will be arrested, no matter who the primary aggressor happened to be. A man who physically, violently resists unwanted sexual behaviors or any other physical attack from a woman will be arrested, and most men know that. 

https://thoughtcatalog.com/janet-bloomfield/2014/06/women-need-to-be-educated-about-sexual-consent-right-now-they-arent/

Sexual Victimization by Women Is More Common Than Previously Known

Take a moment and picture an image of a rapist. Without a doubt, you are thinking about a man. Given our pervasive cultural understanding that perpetrators of sexual violence are nearly always men, this makes sense. But this assumption belies the reality, revealed in our study of large-scale federal agency surveys, that women are also often perpetrators of sexual victimization.

Male-perpetrated sexual victimization finally came to public attention after centuries of denial and indifference, thanks to women’s rights advocates and the anti-rape movement. Attention to sexual victimization perpetrated by women should be understood as a necessary next step in continuing and expanding upon this important legacy.

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/sexual-victimization-by-women-is-more-common-than-previously-known/

@theWanderer, ... call Scientific American an obscure internet source!   ;)

[Gregory Matthews]

The quote below  is a partial truth:

*  The basic, Federal statuatory definition of rape goes back to a 1927 Federal law, which focused on women as victims.

*  The Federal definition of rape was changed in January of 2012.  With that change, under Federal law males could be considered victims of rape.  NOTE:  OTher changes were also made in the law.

*  Most charges of rape take place under the provisions of a State law.  At the time of the Federal change in 2012 the majority of States in the U.S. had enacted changes in their laws that included allowing males to be considered victims of rape.

*  The individual States have been enacting changes to their laws since the Federal change in 2012.  As an example, in one such state a change was made that went into effect in January of 2017.

* MY understanding is that it is only a very small few of the U.S. states that would not at this time allow men to be considered victims of rape.  But, I think that there may be several such States?

*  It should be noted that the changes made have often affected women.  E.G.  As an example, in one of the U.S. States, a woman could not be a victim of rape unless she was "chaste."

*  IN short, in many situations, males can be considered to be victims of rape, and women can be convicted of such actions.

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, the law on rape is defined in such a way that only men are recognised as principal offenders. Though there have been a handful of women convicted of rape, they have been convicted as accomplices, not principals.

[Gregory Matthews]

By the way:  The  Scientific American article that Photodude cited  is an article worth reading by all.  It gives some good insights and in addition, provides context for its comments.

[B/W Photodude]

23 hours ago, Gregory Matthews said:

The quote below  is a partial truth:

*  The basic, Federal statuatory definition of rape goes back to a 1927 Federal law, which focused on women as victims.

*  The Federal definition of rape was changed in January of 2012.  With that change, under Federal law males could be considered victims of rape.  NOTE:  OTher changes were also made in the law.

The article the quote came from was written by a British citizen who is connected with a British university. No doubt the definitions were from UK law. I follow articles such as this from all over the world, primarily USA, Europe, and Australia. There seems to be subtle differences in the ways the rights of men are being violated by those kowtowing to the feminist movement.

BTW, feminism  does not equal women. Many women want no part of this movement. The wrath of the feminists will also descend on the head of any woman expressing the desire not to be part of the movement.