How long is the Hour of His Judgment? Will it continue forever?

[hch]

1 minute ago, jsm said:

Good suggestion hch, and I agree that more understanding is needed by all; but reject your ideas about the pope and end of probation. Not in the Bible. Many here object to EGW helpful references, so I will start fresh just from the Bible, and that will take a little time. 

I only gave enough information to start the investigation.

Sorry that you chose to reject my post without asking for more data. good luck with your study.

[JoeMo]

On 3/24/2018 at 8:31 PM, hch said:

Is 1844 relevant as the Hour of the commencement of the Judgment  or not?

I'm not answering for Wanderer, but in my opinion, 1844 was NOT the commencement of the judgement.  But that's just my opinion based on my view of reality.

[JoeMo]

On 3/26/2018 at 9:40 PM, jsm said:

When the first seal was broken in heaven, John saw Jesus as a symbolic rider leading His people:

Really.  I hate to break it to you, but the rider on the first horse is not Christ, it is antichrist.  He comes with a bow; but no arrows.  He achieves his power by intrigue; not war.  Why would Christ ride to the earth before the other horsemen come to bring death and destruction?

When Christ comes as described in Rev.19:11-15: "¹¹ And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

¹² His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.

¹³ And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.

¹⁴ And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

¹⁵ And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God." 

Jesus ain't messing around when He comes.  He and His armies are ready to fight!

 

[hch]

2 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

God's "work" is not dependent upon us "doing the work."  With, or without us the work gets done. He has many ways to reach the heart in addition to Bible prophecy, and it is God who will decide, apart from our "wisdom" and calculations, when HIS judgment has run its course.

 

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The Lord is not dependent upon us to do His work; He has given us the great privilege of co-operating with Him. You may have diverse temperaments, and yet be labourers together with God, all working in harmony, and when all your ability is put into the work, you will accomplish the best results. In doing the Lord's work we cannot follow our own judgment and peculiar notions. We must work with an eye single to the glory of Christ. Do not talk about that which cannot be done, but of that which can be done through the strength given you of God. “The silver is mine, and the gold is mine, saith the Lord of hosts,” and “the cattle upon a thousand hills.”  {TSA 23.2}

 

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My brethren and sisters, will you bear in mind that in dealing with God's heritage you are not to act out your natural characteristics? The people of God are Christ's purchased possession, and what a price He has paid for them! Shall any of us be found aiding the enemy of God and man in discouraging and destroying souls? What will be the retribution brought upon us if we do this class of work? Every one of us should weed out of our conversation everything that is harsh and severe. We should not indulge in condemning others, and we will not do so if we are one with Christ. We are to represent Christ in our dealings with our fellowmen. We are to be laborers together with God in helping those who are tempted. We are not to encourage souls to sow seeds of doubt; for they will bear a baleful harvest. We are to learn of Christ, to practice His methods, to reveal His spirit. We are enjoined, "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus." We should educate ourselves to believe in the word of God which is being so wonderfully and gloriously fulfilled. If we have the full assurance of faith, we will not indulge in doubting our brethren and sisters.  {TM 225.1}

 

[hch]

9 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

As soon as dates and predictions are used to dominate Bible prophecy, the salt does lose its savor.

Have you forgotten how God led in the great Advent Movement that had its beginning in 1844?

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 We have nothing to fear for the future, except as we shall forget the way the Lord has led us, and His teaching in our past history.  {LS 196.2}

 

 

[hch]

9 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

I am sorry to inform you, that you are not the only messenger of the gospel. God has never appointed the work to just one person. No true messenger of God would dare to make such a claim as "I am the only messenger."}

Apology accepted

[Gregory Matthews]

In a post dated Tuesday at 7:40 AM, HCH made the following statement in the quote listed below:

This forum allows for considerable discussion and considerable differences of opinion as to Biblical doctrine and life style.  However, HCH has gone well beyond  both Biblical teachings and the standards of this forum that I am going to close this discussion.

 

I'm only the messenger of the message that God called me to search out through Bible study from 1997 until now. I'm not infallible and as I continue to study, my understanding matures. If we follow the LIGHT we will not be in darkness. My current study is in THE DAY DAWNS. Those who contact me through a PM, can read it in context and decide for themselves. Those who have made up their minds that they have all the truth that they need will be satisfied with what they think they know.

[Gregory Matthews]

I have unlocked this thread due to an error on my part.

I read the post by HCH as:  "I am the only messenger. . . ."

I was wrong in reading it that way.  Actually HCH said:  "I am only the   messenger. . ."

As I was wrong in the reason that I closed this thread, in fairness to him, I should open it again.  So, I have done so.

However, I must strongly state to all who come here.  My opening this post doses not constitute agreement with HCH on his  speculations about the Bible.

 

 

[hch]

The word of the LORD is sure. 

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This is the word of the LORD... saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit, saith the LORD of hosts. (Zec. 4:6)

When obstacles arise as roadblocks to thwart our understanding, God has a way through the mire.
Ellen White once wrote:

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Again and again have I been warned in regard to time setting.

There will never again be a message for the people of God that will be based on time.

We are not to know the definite time either for the outpouring of the Holy Spirit or for the coming of Christ.

In another place she wrote:

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We have nothing to fear for the future, except as we shall forget the way the Lord has led us, and His teaching in our past history.  {LS 196.2}

 

On the surface, Those two statements are in direct opposition to each other.

• never again a message based on time
• God led the 1844 movement with a message based on time
• And the book of Revelation is full of endtime time prophecies 

If there is no time prophecy after 1844 then how can we know How long is the Hour of His Judgment? or if it Will it continue forever?

But if we forget how God has led His people with time prophecies in the past, we are setting ourselves up to fail in the future.

The problem is not with the pen of EG White, but with our superficial reading of her writings. 

[hch]

We will know that God is wrapping it up and that the Judgment hour of the living has ended when the Mark of the Beast is implemented.

The Mark of the Beast described in the Third Angel's Message  is a test like the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the Garden of Eden. The test is one of obedience. The devil is a liar (deceiver).

 

The command is DO NOT take the  Mark of the beast and it is clearly identified that it relates to the universal ability to buy and sell. Thus if one chooses to explain away the Command not to participate in the endtime universal scheme for buying and selling, when it is first implemented or anytime along the way, they are disobeying a clear thus saith the  LORD. Thus when the Mark of the Beast matures and is linked to worship, Those who were duped that took it in ignorance are just as wrong as Eve. Those who reason that participating in a universal monetary scheme cannot affect their eternal relationship with God are just as wrong as Adam who knowingly disobeyed God's instruction.

 

Those who hold out and refuse to take the universal monetary system when it first is introduced will be challenged with Sunday sacredness vs Sabbath sacredness. If people accept the concept that man has the right to choose his day of worship, they will rationalize that this universal monetary system is not the Mark of the Beast. On the other hand, if they see the significance of obeying God's Command to keep Sabbath holy, they will choose to keep the Sabbath and reject a man made day of worship. Those are the ones who will not be deceived. 

 

Judgment begins at the House of God. If God's professed people disobey the commandment not to accept the universal monetary system they place themselves in danger. they may rationalize that it is not linked to Sabbath/Sunday sacredness and opt in. But they  won't opt out when it is linked down the road.

 

This is why it is so important to know where we are in prophetic history and who the endtime rulers are who will bring these events about. Knowing that the Judgment Hour of the dead and Living has ended and that we are in the final sealing time is a salvation issue. Denying that this information is not available from sound Bible prophecy study is Choosing to remain in ignorance. Those who take that position will not be prepared for the disaster that is about to overwhelm the world.

[Gregory Matthews]

This thread has become quite disjointed.  It began centered on the "hour of God's judgment."   It has now diverted to   far beyond that to include the monetary system the Mark of the Beast, the ability to purchase and sell, and more.  At this time, I see no hope for a rational discussion.  So, I am  closing it.