The Dark Day... brought about by forest fire?

[Gail]

I was looking up Algonquin Provincial Park in Ontario in Wikipedia and stumbled across this:

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Researchers believe that smoke from a forest fire in Algonquin Park was responsible for New England's Dark Day of May 19, 1780.^[6] This is based on investigations into scar marks which are left in the growth rings of trees that survive forest fires.^[7] Data obtained from such scar marks make it possible to approximate the date of a past fire.

Interesting!

[hch]

It is possible that God used a forest fire to fulfill Bible prophecy. But I am not aware of anyone who actually chronicled the event (at the time) that  mentioned the stench of smoke when they lit candles at noon day to try to shed light on their work.

Perhaps the eyewitness accounts might be studied more?

[Gregory Matthews]

There is also a well known natural cause for the so-called falling of the stars.

One should not say that Biblical events never have a natural cause.

[rudywoofs (Pam)]

9 hours ago, Gail said:

I was looking up Algonquin Provincial Park in Ontario in Wikipedia and stumbled across this:

Interesting!

interesting, indeed.  Additionally, I've always thought the prophetic events involving nature should be visible around the world....but has that really happened?

[hch]

On 4/27/2019 at 11:04 AM, rudywoofs (Pam) said:

interesting, indeed.  Additionally, I've always thought the prophetic events involving nature should be visible around the world....but has that really happened?

When God turned back the sun in Israel, it was observed in Babylon.

But is it possible that some global events will be viewed on a regional scale?

A star falling from heaven for example? Such an event might be seen in the night skiy on part of the earth while it is day over other countries that would not necessarily be able to see it?

[JoeMo]

On 4/27/2019 at 9:04 AM, rudywoofs (Pam) said:

interesting, indeed.  Additionally, I've always thought the prophetic events involving nature should be visible around the world....but has that really happened?

I agree. The Bible clearly states (IMHO) that the celestial disturbances preceding and accompanying the Second Coming are world-wide.  A day of relative darkness in a tiny corner of New England does not qualify as a worldwide warning of the end of the Age. 

Additionally, I hesitate to think events that occurred almost 230 years ago qualify as signs of the imminent second coming  Everyone who witnessed this event are long dead.

Also, the Bible is overwhelmingly a collection of Books written by Israelites to Israelites about Israel.  So I fail to see how an isolated event 5,000 miles from Israel (and probably completely unknown to them) would qualify as a "sign of the end".

Just my opinion.

[JoeMo]

For example:

"For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.( Matt. 24:27-30)

These certainly don't sound like localized events.  Since Jesus was speaking this from Jerusalem and not Boston, it seems likely these events would happen over Israel if they were localized.

[JoeMo]

40 minutes ago, The Wanderer said:

When there is lightning here in Alberta, do you see it there in Colorado?

No.  If lightning happened in Boston, could they see it from Jesus' point of reference when He said this (Jerusalem)?

[stinsonmarri]

 

 

 

 

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On 4/30/2019 at 3:47 PM, JoeMo said:

For example:

"For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.( Matt. 24:27-30)

These certainly don't sound like localized events.  Since Jesus was speaking this from Jerusalem and not Boston, it seems likely these events would happen over Israel if they were localized.

If you notice that Matt 24:27-30 that you highlighted is extremely important.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn.

I would like to present if I may truth and understanding of great importance. When MICHAEL stands up there will be a tribulation like never before. That is the last of probation and Daniel gives you two important dates; the first how long the tribulation would be and that the beast and the kings of the earth in prophetic time would have one hour (probation has ended) and within 15 days afterward YAHSHUA will come. The 1,260 is literally 3 1/2 years and the 1,290 and 1,335 if you do the math is one hour or 60 literal days plus 15 which comes to 75 days. The Bible explains what will immediately happen after the tribulation.

And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. Rev 17:12 

Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city for in one hour is thy judgment come. For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off, And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness for in one hour is she made desolate. Rev 18:10, 17, 19 

Babylon is Jerusalem and the whore and the beast will make war. That is Armageddon but before that here is the rest of Matt 24:27-30

And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from THE FACE of HIM that sitteth on the Throne, and from the Wrath of the LAMB: For the Great Day of HIS Wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand? Rev 6:14-17 

And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth, and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image. And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast, and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain, Rev 16:2 -10

I know the first is in Rev Chapter Six, but Chapter 7 the angel stopped this from happening at that time, however, these events will take place at YAHSHUA'S Second coming! Notice John specified the beast and not the whore. I will say again, they are two different evil foes of the last days.

Finally, men will always try to explain the events of prophecy as they have about a worldwide flood. In all of those who made the claim, it was a forest fire never explained the animal's phenomena or the moon becoming red like blood. Men today are good at speculations. They think they know what Life Cycle of a Star actually is, red giants, supernova, white dwarfs, neutron stars, pulsars, and Back Holes! Not one of these scientists has seen these beautiful stars up close. This planet is the only one that has been marked because of sin. All of YAHWEH'S Creation is not dying or exploding or being born as speculated. They seem them just like YAHSHUA made them. Don't angels have four faces? Who are we to second guess THEM? The Bible says our ways are not like HIS WAYS, nor do we have the mind, the ability or the knowledge that THEY have. What we should do is to marvel at the Creation of the Universe, accept the prophecy of this dying world and be ready when YAHSHUA comes. HE has given us a preview of signs and wonders that we should be prepared for HIS coming. My advice to all is to keep the Commandments and YAHSHUA Testimony because HE is THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY!

Happy Sabbath and be Bless!

[JoeMo]

Hi Marri,

Although I don't agree with everything you stated,  support most of it and appreciate the Spirit and passion with which it is presented.

[stinsonmarri]

1 hour ago, JoeMo said:

Hi Marri,

Although I don't agree with everything you stated,  support most of it and appreciate the Spirit and passion with which it is presented.

I am just a presenter Joe, the Bible states the facts. I want all to step back allow THE HOLY SPIRIT to lead you into truth HIS WAY and not ours. Again, I state you cannot read the context of Paleo Hebrew in the German language. You have to appreciate their grammar, style, and meaning that will define itself. If you build a house, you have to first build a foundation. You cannot build it with anything but what it takes to build the foundation. The same with the Paleo Hebrew, there are many who tried to make the NT speak from the Greek and then German, it will not work! It will not work for two reasons, first the NT was actually written in Paleo Hebrew, secondly, there were numerous Greek Manuscripts found. There were many different sects of Greek who all call themselves Christians as well. They have piece these various Greek Manuscripts together. I prefer something that was found together which was the Peshitta Manuscripts. The Septinquant that the 70 elders wrote was written like the writers of the Paleo Hebrew. Historian knows this because the writing style, grammar words were miraculously the same. This, my friend, is the guidance of THE HOLY SPIRIT as the Bible states. The Dead Sea Scroll proves this!

Someone presented to me a book and I truly appreciate it, but Greek writers brought pagan philosophy in after the death of the disciples and apostles, that's how we got theology- why? Theo actually means Zeus and not the word god that is a German word. Theology is the study of Zeus that is what logy means! Why are we using pagan words and terminology to define THE MOST HIGH??? It brought down IsraEL and will do the same to us today! Heed the warnings of the Bible and realize history repeats itself! I can only plead, but it is YAHSHUA through THE HOLY SPIRIT that saves!

Blessings to All!

[JoeMo]

13 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

May I ask what is your view on Jesus' mention of lightning in such texts? We do know that some texts also indicate "every eye shall see Him..." and in my view, "as the lightning simply refers to how fast it will happen. "the final movements will be rapid ones..." (9T pg 11)

I don't have a specific (or well defined) view except to say that I agree with the quoted statement.

[B/W Photodude]

On 4/27/2019 at 6:42 AM, Gregory Matthews said:

One should not say that Biblical events never have a natural cause.

Yeah, but it is interesting how often people want to find a natural cause of a supernatural event! It is like there has to be a physical natural world explanation for every supernatural event in the Bible. I still wait for an explanation of the turning back of the sun dial for Hezekiah's benefit!

As mentioned, it has in all my reading never been mentioned that there was a smell of smoke in the air during the dark day. And a "dark day" from a forest fire would not have been over in a day. I highly doubt that from the distances involved that a forest fire could have rendered a whole region of the country dark as fast and as dark as the dark day has been reported to occur.

[stinsonmarri]

On 5/5/2019 at 10:28 PM, The Wanderer said:

Last year, we had some pretty crazy forest fires here, in a neighboring province, and although the smoke was so thick one could hardly see more than 100 ft ahead for a few days, it never really was dark.  Foggy would be more like it, as well as very smoky.

Men always want to oppose the advents and signs that has happened. We think we know more than YAHWEH! That is why the other planets in our solar system are not complete. I truly believe man landed on Mars before and YAHWEH stopped them from reaching Orion. Gen 11:5-11 YAHWEH does not think we are stupid! We were made LIKE THEM and our intellect is not overlooked by THEM! Remember were made a little lower than the angels! We are confined because of sin and it pollutes everything it touches. Mars and the moon is polluted, they could not land on the other planet because they are in gaseous states. Let me make this very clear we are extremely intelligent today only using 5% of our brains. Imagine what the antediluvian world was like, they were not "jungle bunnies," and please read Gen 4:17-26. See how intelligent Cain children were, look up their crafts you truly will be surprised, I was! 

If YAHSHUA didn't come, we have become so debased that we will destroy each other! Yet, we have a lot of intellect but use it for evil. Human beings stand opposition to all of YAHWEH'S Creation because of the disease of sin. We will refute the inevitable until YAHSHUA comes and destroy all rebellion completely-the sign shows HIS coming is soon and Satan is determined to prolong it along with the wicked! Get ready our ride for now on is going to be extremely bumpy! It is not what you expect unless you study and believe the signs are happening by THEM!

Blessings!

[hch]

Hch had asked "But is it possible that some global events will be viewed on a regional scale?"

The wanderer replied:

4 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

I understand from scripture that "every eye will see Him," means just that.  Something will happen, similar in power to the resurrection, to bring this about in just the way it reads. There are some hints that some things will be more "regional," in nature, but for prophecy, I don't see that being  half as likely

When Christ comes, every eye will see Him. But does the Scripture say that every eye will see Him at the same time? Everyone can see the sun shine, but in different parts of the world, it is at different times. When Jesus comes from the east, everyone will see Him. 

The Scriptures that apply to every eye seeing Christ's Coming do not necessarily apply to every eye seeing the 7 last plagues or the various signs prophesied, i.e., the falling stars, etc. The 7 plagues have a global significance, but their manifestation is localized. 

I found this thought while looking a little deeper in the Spirit of Prophecy:

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 It is Satan's constant work to lead minds to deny the light. It takes but a step to leave the straightforward path and enter a diverging path where Satan leads the way. Light is called darkness, darkness is called light. I have no confidence that Elder Rice is under the influence of the Spirit of God. He has been moving and working under the deceptive influence of another spirit, and if he does not see this matter, and gather up the rays of light that God has flashed upon his pathway, and cherishes this light as from God, he will just as surely come in the same position as did Jannes and Jambres that withstood God and Moses in ancient times. These men were so self-confident and had turned so fully from the ways of the Lord, that by their own standard they believed themselves to be in favor with God and in the light, because they had set light for darkness, and darkness for light.  {20MR 367.3}  

 

[hch]

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 As Gail has posted :  Researchers believe that smoke from a forest fire in Algonquin Park was responsible for New England's Dark Day of May 19, 1780.^[6] This is based on investigations into scar marks which are left in the growth rings of trees that survive forest fires.^[7] Data obtained from such scar marks make it possible to approximate the date of a past fire.

Another fact that makes me doubt this research: California burned with a historic fire last year. There were no reports of a "Dark Day" phenomena anywhere as a consequence of that massive fire. Other major fires have raged in recent history, but where is the repetition of the "Dark Day" phenomena? 

For a hypothesis to become a theorem, it must be provable. Where is the proof?

 

[B/W Photodude]

10 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

I truly believe man landed on Mars before and YAHWEH stopped them from reaching Orion.

Sometimes I have to laugh a little! We landed on Mars? We were stopped from reaching Orion? Orion is not really a destination and to get anywhere near "Orion," would take many years of space travel which would even if a ship could sustain us we would be dead from the lack of gravity. Not to mention radiation in space. And likely, people would go stir crazy and kill off their shipmates. Long space journeys are still pretty far-fetched. Makes nice movies though!

Rigel is 392 light years away from Betelguese. Betelguess is over 600 light years from us! Rigel and Betelguese are two stars in Orion. Sometimes it is hard to visualize just how large the universe is.

10 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

Remember were made a little lower than the angels! ... Let me make this very clear we are extremely intelligent today only using 5% of our brains. Imagine what the antediluvian world was like,

We were made a little lower than angels, but we have seriously deteriorated from our starting point. What the antidiluvian world was like probably has no resemblance to the world of today. As far as using only 10% (the usual quoted figure), that really is a myth that has been perpetuated for sometime but has no basis in science. You may get autistics with savant capabilities which amazes me, but what they give up to have that I am not sure many would trade places.

https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-we-really-use-only-10/

10 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

If YAHSHUA didn't come, we have become so debased that we will destroy each other!

Hold our beer! We're working on that one.

[stinsonmarri]

57 minutes ago, hch said:

I found this thought while looking a little deeper in the Spirit of Prophecy:

HCH: The Book is called The Spirit of Prophecy! Have you read the preface, JW states clearly that YAHSHUA IS THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY!

The Testimony of YAHSHUA, “said the angel to John,” is THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY. Rev 19:10

Blessings!

[stinsonmarri]

13 minutes ago, B/W Photodude said:

Sometimes I have to laugh a little! We landed on Mars? We were stopped from reaching Orion? Orion is not really a destination and to get anywhere near "Orion," would take many years of space travel which would even if a ship could sustain us we would be dead from the lack of gravity. Not to mention radiation in space. And likely, people would go stir crazy and kill off their shipmates. Long space journeys are still pretty far-fetched. Makes nice movies though!

Rigel is 392 light years away from Betelguese. Betelguess is over 600 light years from us! Rigel and Betelguese are two stars in Orion. Sometimes it is hard to visualize just how large the universe is.

We were made a little lower than angels, but we have seriously deteriorated from our starting point. What the antidiluvian world was like probably has no resemblance to the world of today. As far as using only 10% (the usual quoted figure), that really is a myth that has been perpetuated for sometime but has no basis in science. You may get autistics with savant capabilities which amazes me, but what they give up to have that I am not sure many would trade places.

https://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/tenper.html

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/do-we-really-use-only-10/

Hold our beer! We're working on that one.

You, my friend, was not back in that period of time when THE THREE came down and stop flesh beings. All of these beliefs of aliens and ancient spaceships are not imagination. Right after the flood men wanted to find somewhere else to live for a reason. The pyramids and other temples were made for remembrance. Orion was known and located centuries ago and the alignment of these ancient places also proves this as well. People always laugh and think they know but the findings of the ancient tell a unique and different story.

We would rather believe that people were taken up by aliens in spaceships, yet not the fact that our ancient were on a mission to have somewhere else to go! The antediluvian world had everything at their disposal and was not thinking to leave. However, after the flood was a totally different story. The earth was not the same and the fear of another catastrophe was on their mind. They were all together so who do you think they were referring to about making fame? You cannot see that these people had the ability, the knowledge to build spaceships and go with great speed and we do not have the mindset to do today. Why? YAHWEH took a lot of our knowledge from us, that is why we use only 5% of our brain. Look at what we have done with that little amount! Neutron bombs, the technology of building things to think for us! I could give you a lot of things we have done today since 1800! If we have done great things in a few centuries, imagine what they did to cause THE ALMIGHTIES to come down, THEY didn't come down before the flood! There is nothing new on the face of this earth and the people after the flood were forced to separate and had to form new writing systems and languages for just building a tower! You believe that I got some magic beans I want to sell you!

If John was carried in THE SPIRIT, his body remand on earth so how was that done and we make virtual reality through technology similar to that today, you need to wake up! Why did we need to eat from the Tree of LIFE? How did the Tree get this type of LIFE! Do you just think the drawings found in ancient times were make-believe, I don't!  Get back to me when you can explain the building of walls and other things that only a laser could be used.

Blessings!

[JoeMo]

The Bible speaks of "another" Rahab" besides the prostitute in Joshua:

"The pillars of the heavens quake, aghast at his rebuke. By his power he churned up the sea;  by his wisdom he cut Rahab to pieces. By his breath the skies became fair; his hand pierced the gliding serpent." (Job 26:11-13)

"Awake, awake, arm of the Lord, clothe yourself with strength!  Awake, as in days gone by, as in generations of old.  Was it not you who cut Rahab to pieces, who pierced that monster through? Was it not you who dried up the sea, the waters of the great deep, who made a road in the depths of the sea  so that the redeemed might cross over?" (Is. 51: 9-10)

Some historicists and theologians think that Rahab was a planet that used to be between Mars and Jupiter.  Sometime in the distant past,  Could there have been a supernatural "war" in our solar system  In which that planet (and any civilization on it) was destroyed? That region is now known as the astroid belt - the remains of a planet broken to pieces.

 I wouldn't completely dismiss what Marri said about Orion and Mars.  There are many events and locations on earth that cannot be explained away by modern science.  Maybe man did not build spacecraft to get to the outer planets or stars; but could not fallen angels have taken people to these places?

Orion and the Pleiades are mentioned 3 places in scripture -Job 9:9 and  38:31; and Amos 5:8. Could these constellations possibly be the location of some supernatural fortress - like either Heaven or the great Abyss - or the location of a "portal" or "wormhole" to the the dimension where heaven is?

Not saying it definitely is, but not completely dismissing it either.

I think the stories of extraterrestrial beings interacting with humans is true.  Non-believers call them "aliens" instead of "God and Angels (fallen and unfallen)" because they refuse to believe in the supernatural realm; and "people from outer space" suit6s their beliefs better.

God doesn't live on earth (yet), so doesn't that make Him and "extraterrestrial"?

 

[JoeMo]

"Jesus said, “My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place.” (John 18:36)

[stinsonmarri]

11 hours ago, JoeMo said:

I wouldn't completely dismiss what Marri said about Orion and Mars.

I don't want anyone to think that I believe that other beings would ever come here! I do believe that Satan has men to think that way when fallen angels are used to deceive us. Keep in mind those who allowed out of prison where they are bound. Satan is the only one who is allowed to roam freely for now. I also have these writers who are well known that have a lot of truth but the dates are off.

We have demonstrated with a substantial body of evidence that the pattern of stars that is "frozen" on the ground at Giza in the form of the three pyramids and the Sphinx represents the disposition of the constellations of Orion and Leo as they looked at the moment of sunrise on the spring equinox during the astronomical "Age of Leo" (i.e., the epoch in which the Sun was "housed" by Leo on the spring equinox.) Like all processional ages, this was a 2,160-year period. It is generally calculated to have fallen between the Gregorian calendar dates of 10,970 and 8810 BC. The Mars Mystery Hancock, Graham; Bauval, Robert; Grigsby, John

I do not understand why those who claim to serve THE MOST HIGH believe in the Gregorian calendar-this was made by pope folks! YAHWEH from the beginning gave a lunar/solar calendar and these finds were base on that calendar. The Gregorian calendar and our carbon dating are off! 

Not only temples, even the painted hill caves, ancient forts, and river docks have been placed and constructed in accordance with the location of individual stars and with outlines of constellations that have related shapes or star-lore. Individual monuments have corresponding stars, and as a group, they form a similar pattern on the ground as they do in the sky above. The star-temple correlation is centered on the constellation of Orion, which is reproduced in its entirety. Tarakka: Ancient Monuments of Bhubaneswar as Reflections of Stars By Deepak Bhattacharya 1 & P. C. Naik 2 Edited by Sharif Sakr

I can take you back to the Sumerians who formed the first language using clay tablets. One of the largest libraries finds in the world! They had already map Orion!

Now I believe in order to get to where there is no time and also where Heaven is located is through Orion's belt! YAHWEH did allow our ancient ancestors to get through it, but they were up and close and that's why THEY came down and stop our  ancient ancestors and said:

And YAHWEH said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do. Gen 11:6 

I believe the Bible and Nimrod made his empire on earth and also they like today targeted another place, in case of another catastrophe. Satan used this man and his name has been spread all over the earth and in the constellations! I believe that YAHWEH had to stop them because human beings along with Satan was out of control and this is about to happen again for the very last time! The beast is being well groom by Satan and I urge all of you, to understand who the image is that came to life!!! Signs I repeat were given to prepare the righteous for the Time of Trouble and the work of reaping the harvest before the beast, the image, and the false prophet will be released. Notice, the beast and the false prophet were cast in the Lake of Fire. What happen to the image, again it became alive it was not in the Lake of Fire!

I will end by going back to the topic of the dark days, believe that it happened just like the Bible said. The animals and the moon proved that it did! Yes, as lighting comes from the east to the west, YAHSHUA will come even more powerful and every eye will see HIM! Things are taken place today which also are signs that show our time is almost up. The harvest of souls must be completed and the church will not get it done, the remnant will! Will you be among the chosen who will reap the harvest of souls, I pray I will what about you. Signs do not lie!

Blessings!

[hch]

21 hours ago, stinsonmarri said:

HCH: The Book is called The Spirit of Prophecy! Have you read the preface, JW states clearly that YAHSHUA IS THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY!

The Testimony of YAHSHUA, “said the angel to John,” is THE SPIRIT OF PROPHECY. Rev 19:10

Blessings!

Oh that we would seek to have the Spirit of prophecy within us!

[hch]

11 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

none of these events are characterized in the same way as Jesus' second coming where, as the text says: "every eye will see Him." In the same way you cannot tell us how the resurrection would be accomplished, you cannot tell us how Jesus will do this. It is not indicated in scripture.

Thank you for clarifying . I was beginning to wonder about your views from your earlier statements that seem to contradict this statement. 

[JoeMo]

18 hours ago, The Wanderer said:

May I inquire as to what your point is/was by posting this?

I inferred from your previous scripture quote that you were hinting to me that Jesus' Kingdom was here on earth.  Perhaps I inferred incorrectly.  My quote was showing Jesus' Kingdom is not of this world - YET.  It soon will be.  Just my opinion.