Is this guy breaking the law?

[Norman Byers, N.D.]

Let me know what you think,

Is he breaking the law and does he driver deserve a ticket?

let me add, he did go into the intersection when it was yellow

Norman

[Pockey]

I should've paid attention in traffic school, but I believe if you enter the intersection when it is yellow, you won't get a citation, even if it turns red after you enter the intersection.

[Dr. Shane]

That is not the law in Texas. In defensive driving school they told us the law here is if the light turns red before you leave the intersection you can be cited. Yellow means prepare to stop not give it more gas.

[Halfstep Denise]

If I remember correctly, Shane, that is what I was taught when I learned to drive here in California.

Obviously, it's not a video, but if he stopped there, he'd better back up, if possible, or his front end may be rearranged!

Halfstep Denise

[cricket]

How can anyone presume to know if he's breaking the law or not? Perhaps he's stalled. Perhaps "he's" a she. There is not enough information given for any man to make a judgment.

[Pockey]

Perhaps "he's" a she.

You can't see the moustache in the side mirror? :D

[Dr. Shane]

Quote:

Perhaps he's stalled.

In which case he could be cited for blocking an intersection.

[Halfstep Denise]

Wake me up when the war is over!! Stalling is a major possibility!

Thanks Chrys!

Halfstep Denise

[Amelia]

Here in Oregon you are breaking the law if you cannot make a turn and get your car completely through the intersection before the light turns red and staying within the speed limit. LOL I just took a defensive driving class for work.

[Amelia]

P.S. Just from looking at the photo and NOT knowing the circumstances ie man, woman, stalled, out of gas etc. I would say that the driver is making the turn against the law.

[Norman Byers, N.D.]

Here are more facts,

I don't know the gender

I do know the person was going into the intersection when it was yellow (I took the picture)

The car was not stalled.

This pic was taken in the city of Locust Grove GA

I was caught in the same situation at the same intersection only at night on Aug 22nd 06.

I went to court 2 weeks ago and pled not guilty.

I went back today to prove my innocence.

Guess what happened to me

[Dr. Shane]

That would depend on the judge. The only good defense I know of is if one times how long the light is yellow and can show that other yellow lights in the same city are yellow longer than that one is. That has been a winning defense that I know has been used.

[Naomi]

P.S. Just from looking at the photo and NOT knowing the circumstances ie man, woman, stalled, out of gas etc. I would say that the driver is making the turn against the law.

Have to agree Amelia

[Norman Byers, N.D.]

HI Shane, look again closely

We (the Lord and I) got the ticket dismissed and I agreed to pay a $75.00 court cost. It would have been way more than that if found guilty.

The charges of failing to stop at a red light were dismissed. There are clues in this pic. I used this very one in court today.

Norman

[Amelia]

Clues? Is it Mrs Plum with a candlestick in the library?

[Dr. Shane]

The Denny's sign in the background? The school bus?

[Naomi]

Perhaps he was blocking traffic so the children on the school bus could go to Dennys ...

[Halfstep Denise]

Norm - Is the clue that the traffic lights weren't working properly?

I've been to intersections where the lights weren't changing and and after a long wait,I ended up making turns with the wrong color light showing!

Halfstep Denise

[cricket]

Looks like this driver is making a left turn from a left turn only lane. I can't tell what the signs in the background say. The photo (at least on my laptop screen) is too blurry.

Also, it looks as if the car is turning onto a one-way street.

Without better focus though...I just don't think I could say anything more in regards to the innocence or guilt of this driver.

Too bad you had to pay the $75 court costs.

[Pockey]

The paint is faded where you are supposed to stop prior to the stoplight.

[Parade Orange]

my son's mother has a mustache

she still is not attractive to me

[Norman Byers, N.D.]

HI Sid,

You got it

That was my case in court. GA law states that when coming to a stop sign or traffic light vehicles must stop exactly at the white line.

I said to the judge that there was no point of reference for me to know where to stop and neither did the officer have a reference point to know when I was in the intersection. I showed him several pics of that intersection and that one was the only one that didn't have white lines to indicate where to stop.

He dismissed the ticket with me paying only the court cost, the officer's agreed.

This intersection has earned the city many dollars as many many people have gotten tickets there. I am thankful that I went back and looked at the intersection.

I knew something was not right, even when I got the ticket and told the officer I'd be fighting it.

After my case was dismissed someone else who got a ticket for the same intersection came up to me and told me he heard what I said and was going to try and beat it, only he was going to say the timing of the lights were not the same. I told him to use what I did. Don't know what happened I had to go.

I think that soon that intersection will have painted lines

Praise the Lord for laws.

[Pockey]

Way to go beating the ticket Norman!

[Dr. Shane]

I tried to beat a speeding ticket once because the street I was driving on had no posted speed limit. The judge allowed me to be on probation for six months and at the end of that time dropped the ticket. So it never went on my record. However I have since noticed they have posted the speed limit on the street.

[Naomi]

Congrats Norman ... good thinking.

Along these lines, I live about 35 miles from the church and most of the drive is on winding rural roads with a couple of towns which have rapaidly decresing speed limits ... down to 20 mph for a couple of blocks.

Traffic tickets are a major source of revenue for the area.

Our pastor preaches in another church; he has worship early and then travels to Summit for the 11 am hour. He also drives through this area.

One Sabbath I was pulled over for driving 36 mph ... 11 mph over the posted speed limit. The local policeman say hello and asked what the rush was ... told him going to church and to see mother. He stood there for a while and said, "Oh, I know your preacher. He contributes to our city budget." Small town, small world ... great memory. :)