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He says it is too feminine? Need to sit down with him over tea and get in touch with our feelings.

The Man Who “Discovered” ADHD Makes a Startling Deathbed Confession Posted on January 16, 2015 by Jade Small — “ADHD is a prime example of a fictitious disease.” These were the words of Leon Eisenberg, the “scientific father of ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder),” in his last interview he gave before his death at age 87 in 2009. (While some have described Dr. Eisenberg’s statement as an “exaggeration,” many doctors are coming to the belated conclusion that ADHD is often “over diagnosed” by the use of “fuzzy diagnostic practices.” Harvard psychologist Jerome Kagan, who is one of the world’s leading experts in child development, states: “Let’s go back 50 years. We have a 7-year-old child who is bored in school and disrupts classes. Back then, he was called lazy. Today, he is said to suffer from ADHD (Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder). . . . Every child who’s not doing well in school is sent to see a pediatrician, and the pediatrician says: “It’s ADHD; here’s Ritalin.” In fact, 90 percent of these 5.4 million kids don’t have an abnormal dopamine metabolism. The problem is, if a drug is available to doctors, they’ll make the corresponding diagnosis.) Eisenberg made a luxurious living off of his “fictitious disease,” thanks to pharmaceutical sales. Coincidentally, he received the “Ruane Prize for Child and Adolescent Psychiatry Research. He has been a leader in child psychiatry for more than 40 years through his work in pharmacological trials, research, teaching, and social policy and for his theories of autism and social medicine,” according to Psychiatric News. Yes, it was even admitted that they are his THEORIES. The medical industry is using the guise of helping children to depersonalize and disconnect our children from a healthy, normal upbringing. Parents are placing their children on these drugs and subjecting them to what the world has to offer, when in fact all these children are looking for is their parents in hopes of being the blessing that God intended them to be. In the United States, 1 out of 10 boys among 10-year-olds takes medication for ADHD on a daily basis . . . with increasing tendency American psychologist Lisa Cosgrove and others reveal the facts in their study “Financial Ties between DSM-IV Panel Members and the Pharmaceutical Industry.” They found that “of the 170 DSM panel members 95 (56 percent) had one or more financial associations with companies in the pharmaceutical industry. One hundred percent of the members of the panels on ‘Mood Disorders’ and ‘Schizophrenia and Other Psychotic Disorders’ had financial ties to drug companies.” And they are reaping major benefits from this “fictitious disease.” For example, the assistant director of the Pediatric Psychopharmacology Unit at Massachusetts General Hospital and associate professor of Psychiatry at Harvard Medical School received “$1 million in earnings from drug companies between 2000 and 2007.” Marc-André Gagnon and Joel Lexchin, a long-time researcher of pharmaceutical promotion, performed a study which shows that the U.S. pharmaceutical industry spent 24.4 percent of the sales dollar on promotion, versus 13.4 percent for research and development in 2004. That is almost twice as much money to push their drugs on people than the amount to research to make sure it they’re safe! This raises the following question: Are they safe? Read the antidepressant black-box warning for yourselves, and you will be alarmed by the side effects listed on the inserts: – Confusion – Depersonalization – Hostility – Hallucinations – Manic reactions – Suicidal ideation – Loss of consciousness – Delusions – Feeling drunk

The church I went to yesterday was very manly... But like everything in at least North America it goes through phases. At one time someone decided there needed to be more emphasis on God's grace and acceptance to get away from legalism. Then churches needed to have different music. Then they got into the purpose-driven concept of worship and growing mega churches. More lately the emergent movement has been in the religious news. The idea that churches needed to change to appeal to men was another "fad" that hit us. Some trends are longer lived than others but like worldly ones they come and go.

I am feeling this right now. I could care less what anyone else here says or thinks. RIP Dr King

You will enjoy these ideas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTz4Nhgm_SQ#t=174

ADHD overdiagnosed: Yes, and probably widely. Ritilan overused: Well known. However, the truth of the above does not mean that it is not a real condition. Your "deal with it" is actually a valid, at least partial response. E.G. Appropriate treatment may involve much more than a simple Rx for Ritilan.

I understand him to be giving that as an example of hpw saying something about that which is near and dear to another person's heart understandably will provoke a strong emotional response in defense no matter the motive or intent of the speaker.

There is an art to using satire - it's all in the timing, wording, and atmosphere. For example, comidians get away with murder concerning some of their satire and sarcasm. But we expect it in a "show" environment. If they said those things to people on the street, it may be the last words they ever speak. Satire is best used against issues - not people.

As of today, I have been 43 years with out my father... seems long and it seems like yesterday..

My observation is that all to often "men's groups" are often considered not to be revelant to the interests of the men in the congregation. IOW, they are considered not to be needed.

That is an interesting statement. When a person choses to use satire how do we know if it is just humor; or making a point at all cost while hiding behind the cover of satire? Perhaps I am stuck in a time warp, but do we not have a responsibility to treat all with respect ... even if we disagree with their culture, religion, etc. No, it's not acceptable for the object of the ridicule to give them a black eye, or blow up their buildings when they openly make fun of you (print satire) but it can be a hard pill to take Satire can be used with class and be absolutely hysterical it can also be insulting and belittling. Humor is great but has its appropriate place in life ...We can laugh with a person or laugh at them

I do think it became a fad disease and many children were placed on medication. We had a son that was so active that while I was still pregnant I had to sit in a rocking chair and rock to calm him down so I could sleep. He hit the ground running and has never stopped.He did need a firm hand but I would not have wanted him on drugs

Yes, Gail, call if you can. I wish I could call my mother and/or father..... those every evening calls used to be a burden at times ... now I wish I could be bothered with having to take time to make that call.

That reminds me I really need to call mine... ((( Stan ))) ((( Pam )))

This verse speaks loudly to me: CJB Hebrews 7:18 Thus, on the one hand, the earlier rule is set aside because of its weakness and inefficacy KJV Hebrews 7:18 For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. NIV Hebrews 7:18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless NKJ Hebrews 7:18 For on the one hand there is an annulling of the former commandment because of its weakness and unprofitableness, NRS Hebrews 7:18 There is, on the one hand, the abrogation of an earlier commandment because it was weak and ineffectual And WHAT WAS THAT "earlier", "former" commandment (rule, regulation) that was abrogated (set aside, annulled)? The author of Hebrews spends a lot of space explaining that it was the system of animal sacrifice, thru the Levite priests. This passage - to me - does say that the sacrifices were ended, when Christ became High Priest. NKJ Hebrews 7:19 for the law made nothing perfect; on the other hand, there is the bringing in of a better hope, through which we draw near to God. (Heb 7:19 NKJ)

It is standard practice for people employed by the denomination to be required to return tithe. In an earlier time, some denominational employees had their tithe deducted directly from their paychecks. That is not now done for employees paid by U.S. organizations. However, employees are not required to submit financial information and to prove that they pay a so-called "honest" tithe. Rather, the denomination knows what their denominational pay is, and has the ability to determine if their tithe paid is representative of their denominational pay. Actual enforcement of this policy varies greatly. My personal opinion is that it is not enforced more than it is enforced. But, I could be wrong.

I know what you mean... I can still hear the voice of my father...

He really didn't twist anything. He just brought out the truth of the inconsistency and gaps of the talking heads. And do you really think those talking heads were purists unconcerned about ratings! You just apparently can't handle the truth. Perhaps you might actually give a substantive response to refute him rather trying to immune his integrity. Give us some real specifics of what you mean by twisting anything. Tell us exactly where he is wrong. Show us how you are better and more fully informed and accurate in your opinion of the matters at hand.

It is a growing trend not to hire someone to work for the Church who isn't willing to support it with tithe.

Sometimes truth can be told in satire and in no other way.

There are times when I can laugh at myself. But when I laugh at others, am I bullying?

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I appreciate this perspective. I think it goes well too with what Gerry has been sharing. There are various levels of sin. Making poor health choices may not be a sin that leads to damnation but rather a sin that leads to physical disability or an early death. I think it fair to say Ellen White was talking about the caffiene as the problem. It is addictive and comes in these dark liquids like coffee and cola. Too much of those can cause problems. I know. I have felt the pains of kidney stones. There are many in society that never drink water. Caffiene creates an addiction and they only drink coffee, tea and cola. That can easily become a health issue. Now there is an aspect to coffee that we miss out on as a church. Many evangelistical churches have put in a Starbucks-style coffee shops and use it for Bible study and prayer groups. Our denomination cannot copy that as coffee and cola does run against our health message but coffee drinking can create a warm social atmosphere. I have often went out with friends for coffee. I do, of course, look for the decaf coffee but too much of that will cause kidney stones as quick as the other. I will touch on the alcohol issue once again. I am a recovering alcoholic and sobered up at the tender age of 16 after living on the streets and running with a gang. Most addict-alcoholics that sober up in their teenage years do not stay sober. I believe one of the reasons I am now going on 30 years of sobriety is because of the abstainance position in the Adventist church. I think it would be so much easier to relapse if I were to see my Christian brothers and sisters drinking socialabily without any problem. The temptation would be for me to say if they can live a good Christian life and drink,,,, so can I. God has people in all churches but Adventists are called for a special purpose and I think the vow of abstainance to alcohol, like that of John the Baptist, is consistant with our purpose.

I wondered if anyone would notice. ))

there are too many people with real issues in life to spend a lot of time talking about trivials.

I am not sure where I am going to use that, but I am saving it because that is one of the coolest things I have ever read.

Yes I realize you quote SOP. Earlier you said you wanted only scriptural backing. Its a bit confusing. So I am wonder ing you think they are one and the same thing. I am the only non believer (in EGW and/or the Bible) the rest just disagree with you.

I think the writings of Paul pertain to this very much: Romans 14:1-8 Each must be convinced on their own, because ultimately we all stand before the Lord. We aren't allowed to make judgment calls as to the person's standing before God just because they are convinced differently than we think they ought to be convinced. That said, I do believe God placed the coffee bean bush and the tea plants here for a reason - and it wasn't for abusive usage as a recreational activity. Medical research has indeed shown that excessive caffeine intake is indeed injurious to the body. On the other side, medical research has also shown that in correct amounts, caffeine also has some very beneficial effects within the body. At correct dosages, coffee and tea have been shown to be very beneficial in subduing migraine headaches that are not caused by withdrawal from abusive intake of the same. There's a lot of opinion and misinformation out there on this subject, making it so very easy to simply read EGW's writings of the issue and come up with a blanket statement to judge every usage by, when in fact doing so goes contrary to Paul's admonition in Scripture. Blessings,

At the risk of agitating the every-word-of-EGW-is-inspired folk, I think her use of the word "sin" simply was a poor choice of words. As one can see from a very careful reading of her health messages, as with many of her counsels, they evolved or developed over time. There was a continual refinement of her thinking on topics. And there were plainly corrections of past mistakes she made. And as has also been pointed out, she relied a great deal on her contemporary sources that were in abundance in her library. She also had a staff that assisted in the process. A reasonable position would be that inspiration guided all of that. But it really begs the question, What exactly is inspiration?" There is very broad inspiration and very specific, and a lot in between. In Biblical times those extremes were very evident. Abraham was inspired to leave his homeland. It was rather vague, just "Leave. Get on the road. Get moving." The most God shared with him was that he needed to go because God had a great plan for him and his decendents. God said He would let Abraham know when it was time to stop. And on the opposite extreme, there were prophets that were given an explicit message from God to deliver verbatim. Where was EGW on that spectrum of inspiration? I think all over the range. More to the point of her health message, it was a very general proding that there was a need for people were not making the best heath and diet choices. It is clear from much of her writing on health that it drew from contemporary knowledge of the time. And I think that if EGW had lived another 100 years her message would have changed to reflect the best medical knowledge available. We now know that coffee and tea is a mixed bag in terms of harm vs. benefit. A sin? Is it a sin to use any drug to treat a health problem? Is it a sin to abuse that same drug?