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I think it's an interesting question. Some people predict a Global Sunday Law, but that is a lot harder to get to, in my view: it's a lot easier to convince majority-Christian America than countries that are majority-Buddhist, Hindu, Muslim or atheist to adopt a Sunday Law. I think part of it is that EGW did not really have a global view: while she based her work on history in Europe and America, she mostly wrote about the prophetic future of America, and it was a National Sunday Law that was the main focus.

http://www.religionnews.com/2016/02/04/ted-cruzs-campaign-fueled-dominionist-vision-america-commentary/ https://www.quora.com/Is-Ted-Cruz-a-dominionist http://www.patheos.com/blogs/warrenthrockmorton/2016/02/04/john-fea-on-ted-cruzs-dominionism/ http://www.politicalresearch.org/2016/02/14/dominionism-is-the-new-religious-freedom/#sthash.yaNJ6iLK.dpbs That's a few to start with, but there's plenty more.

I did see an article somewhere about Cruz or his father being a Dominionist. These folks want to set up a Christian government in the USA.

And the believers will be reunited with their pets too. I have it according to the Word 7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:...Matthew 7 God is Love!~Jesus saves!

If you take EGW's writings as gospel. In this instance, I believe she may be accurate. Then it can't be Obama. I can't see the earth's final 7 years have yet begun, much less the last 1260 days, much less the last 9 months. Obviously, this was incorrect. We do have another Pope; and there was no Inquisition during Benedict's short reign. Jack Darnall's dream (or his interpretation thereof) is obviously wrong; and verifies nothing.

According to EWG the Sunday laws will come into play because of "the claim that the fast-spreading corruption is largely attributable to the desecration of the so-called 'Christian sabbath,' and that the enforcement of Sunday observance would greatly improve the morals of society. This claim is especially urged in America..." [GC 588] Of course this is totally absurd. Men and women become corrupt because they distance themselves from God: Rom 1:28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them up to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. The problem with unbelievers is that they do not see their need of Christ's righteousness (both imputed and imparted). The fruits of living without God is corruption, which leads to lawlessness.

In Jesus' day the different Jewish groups would have different ways of figuring out what day Passover would be. The evidence is that Jesus had the last supper at an Essene monastery. The Essenes would have had Passover on the Tuesday night of that week when the temple would have Passover Friday night. Jesus would have had Passover with the Disciples on Tuesday night. Get arrested, have a short inquiry, then be taken across the courtyard to the holding cell as Peter denies him. Spend the rest of Wednesday in the cell. Then Thursday would be the trials, Thursday night Pilates wife have the dream to have nothing to do with him and Friday morning on the cross and Jesus died when the temple was to sacrifice the Passover lamb.

JoeMo, Satan will not only personate Christ in a spectacular setting, he tries to do it daily in our lives. I know that you are seeking and it is not easy to sort out all of the things that we encounter. And there is a devil who is actively impressing his slant on the things that we find. The Satanic perspective is so subtle that we don't always perceive that he is in the mix. He specializes in promoting misunderstanding, miscommunication, and mistrust. Then when our poor human minds get muddled, he tries his best to seal us in a state of confusion. But at this time in human history, it is crucial that we cling to Jesus, plead for the Holy Spirit and His discernment, and keep studying the Bible. Private (idios as it is in the Greek) interpretations abound simply because Satan is a professional: he tailor makes the deception to fit the character of the students. Maybe he thinks that if we have found the solution that fits our perspective we will stop looking and fall short. Through prayer and Bible study, Jesus can remedy that notion. [aside: Keep me in prayer if you will. I was getting ready to circulate my newest book (The Great Controversy: Earth's Gran Finale) on the Ides of March (15 March 2016) and a major publisher of Christian literature got hold of a facts page (Monday). They requested that I send the manuscript for them for review (which I have). So I am delaying the e-book release until they have had ample opportunity to read the book. Their acquisition department assures me that they have streamlined the process and I should be hearing back very soon. The Lord has promised to take charge of the work and to finish the work. And the events will be rapid ones. Who would have thought that a major publisher would have requested for me to send them the manuscript. I have always been the one to try to find them and get somebody to give me a minute to make the pitch.] Christian regards,

**off topic a bit** Why would the dreaded Sunday Law be predicated on a ruling in the US? Are the EGW prophecies only applicable to the US? (just wondering, as it always has struck me odd that many people apply prophecies pointing to the Last Days only to the US or North America) **back to topic**

I have been an Adventist since 1955! My mother studied her Bible and found the Sabbath through THE HOLY SPIRIT! She asked her pastor (my mother was a devoted Black Missionary Baptist), she felt that the Bible was not just for the Hebrew or so call Judaic religion. She felt it was for everyone. We left the South moved to the North, New Haven CT. She started having all types of so call Christian religions to study with, including Jehovah Witness. She asked them all about the Sabbath none could give her a straight answer from the Bible. This include Catholic, Baptist, Presbyterians, Methodist and many others. At her job this guy was playing around using Scriptures from the Bible. She got on him and he showed her he was taking Bible studies, he gave her one of the lessons. She said she heard a voice state this is what you have been looking for. She took Bible studies and they kept saying they keep all of the Commandments. She stopped them asked about what day is the Sabbath! They would not tell her Saturday, instead the 7th day of the week. She made them tell her that the day is Saturday and she shouted for joy! Them she kept the Sabbath in the VA hospital even though others were SDA. She prayed and all said a light came over her and refuse to break the Sabbath anymore. Her boss was a Catholic and a military Nurse working in the VA in 1955. My mother was the only one who kept the Sabbath in New Haven VA Hospital!!!!!!! My mother was baptized and my father was struggling but stood to be baptized the very next Sabbath he was dead!!!!!! My mother remain faithful, she sold EGW books and Arthur S. Maxwell. She became also a great Bible Teacher on her job and community. Ask Mount Zion church in New Haven CT. and the South Atlantic Conference here. My aunts became Adventist, (only one left about 20 years ago, one died in the truth.) She also got discounts and bought all of EGW own writings, Arthur S. Maxwell children books and the green Bible SDA Commentaries. I wore out volume 1. I studied everything and check everything out especially Genesis. Adventist did not believe in the trinity and still don't. We knew that it came from Constantine during the fight with Arianism from the Jesuit priest. We did not believe in either view, we believe that THE FATHER, THE SON and THE HOLY SPIRIT were SUPREME BEINGS. We did not fully understand everything neither did EGW!!!!!! We believed in her visions not all she wrote because it was base on history during the early 1800. I became a Bible Historian because of Gen Chapter 10 and what the SDA stated about Ham read it please! Yes, I left the truth but not my faith, I never joined another so call Christian religion. Do I have problems with SDA today, yes I do. We have allowed the tares to creep just like during the time of YAHSHUA! We do not study the Bible individually but take the words of ministers who say "Thus said YAHWEH when YAHWEH has not spoken. They twist the Bible and we do not understand the word search because don't do it. EGW said she saw that word were changed in the Bible, I have asked many of you to look up the "god," instead many of you get mad at me. The word is a pagan word that derive from diurnal which means SATAN!!!!! You have to search and it tell you to see Zeus who the Greeks worship who was diurnal or SATAN I return to the church but with a degree because of what I read and study as a youth. My mother was making changes but Satan took my second father away from her she had a stroke. He became an Adventist through his daughter that I gave Bible studies to. I met him and introduce him to my mother. She married him because she raise her five children a lone. Sadly, I introduce her to a man who was an Adventist but he was a liar and the marriage lasted one year. He cheated and she left him and the woman he had a child with him both left the church, also he cheated with another Adventist. My mother heard him talking with this woman and the marriage was over. I met my second father when we return to Georgia. They were married for thirty years and he became a SDA but his daughter did not want them to be married. She became a Bible worker Director out in California, but married a crooked doctor in our church who was not a SDA and he claim he was a preacher!! He was crooked, put in jail, she took him back and he left her. She then return home took her aging father from my mother for one year. I got him back but the stress was too much my mother had a stroke!!! Later dementia set in and I am keep her today. She is 91 and I burred him also took care of him as well. He died 2007, and I have been back in church for over thirty years, 1976 to be exact. There is a lot I have not shared with you. I shared this with you all to let you know SDA is my faith and not a denomination!!!!!!! I studied the Bible and understand what was translated or transliterated and what was not, it was CHANGED! So I stand on the Bible and yes I have various version because I know the history of the Tyndale, KJV and the Vulgate Bible. You all need to study the history of the Bible, you would be shocked! So that's my story and that why I do not agree with everything we claim! We are not to add or to take from the Bible, read it and you find that it will tell you that!!!!!!! Oh yeah also my mother, and her sister with their husband and me and a few others build our own church with our own money here in Greenville Georgia, the conference has never been happy they accepted us somewhat! We will survive and we are a part of the SDA sisters of churches! So go figure!!!!! Check me out, I have nothing to hide!!!!!!!! Blessings!

Hey Jackson, Sorry I misunderstood your "founder" message. All I can say is that after the single TOP event that I personally attended, I felt like I had been to a revival or very successful camp meeting as opposed some of the other tedious SDA and non-SDA events I have attended over the past few years. Unless I misunderstand (again), your statement above contradicts itself. You say that established truth does not change over time. But it has! In apostolic times, it was established "truth" that Jesus would come in their lifetimes. He didn't. Among the Millerites, it was established "truth" that Jesus would return in 1843 but he didn't. Then He was gong to return in 1844, but He didn't. In the dark ages, it was established "truth" that the papacy was the infallible representative of Christ on earth. He wasn't; and still isn't. Before Christopher Columbus and Magellan, it was established "fact" that the world was flat, and the universe rotated around the earth. It doesn't. Advances in science, Bible languages, and archeology, for example, have modified the "truth" about almost everything we thought we knew 200 years ago. I admire your faithfulness to the historic SDA positions. I am not saying you are wrong, I am just saying that I don't believe that way. My mind remains open; and if TOP somehow proves to be divisive rather than inclusive, I will probably turn away. But now it is the "status quo" forces in the denomination who are inserting the dividing wedges, not TOP.

Rubio is falling out of contention fast, and while Kasich is having some wins, he's unlikely to be there at the end either. It's Cruz, Trump or Clinton (sorry, friends who are 'feeling the Bern', I can't see him getting there... in fact I predict that Hillary will win by enough that the super delegates won't matter). So basically, America has a choice between theocracy, oligarchy and oligarchy. Oh dear.

Oh, I don't think it can be stopped (assuming it's going to happen at all, which I'm skeptical about personally) by voting, I'm just intrigued by people's perspectives. And, I guess, by the contrast between the traditional SDA views on religious liberty versus an increasing comfort on the part of some members with moves toward theocratic modes of government. As one of the articles quoted above pointed out, the meaning of 'religious freedom' is being subtly changed.

As I read Daniel and Revelation, the national Sunday Law will come on Barack Obama's watch. But Jesus did say it would be like it was in Noah's day Most folks won't believe it till they see it and when the antediluvians saw it raining: too late [it is in the Bible- but who will take the time to check it out?]

So what does it mean for Jesus to bring His reward with Him? (If He does not know who has settled into the faith when He comes?)

In response to bonnie's question, perhaps I'd have been better to say 'institute' than 'instigate': it may not be the president who starts the agitation, but in the end s/he would need to sign or veto it.

The person I had in mind is Cruz, who I think has a much more explicit Christian dominionist perspective. I think both Clinton and Trump are much more likely to implement policies to please Wall Street than the churches.

If you are asking if the postings to this subject are all in accordance with the mainstream doctrines of the SDA Church, the answer in my opinion is no. There are a spectrum of believers on here - some non-SDAs, some generic SDA's, and some card-carrying fundamental SDAs. All are welcome. It is the diversity of opinion that generates discussion. When someone says something different than what we may personally believe, it (hopefully) motivates us to study the subject further rather than simply dismiss the other person's opinion out-of-hand.