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The immaculate conception - a Catholic apologist answers
Raphael reacted to Robert for a topic
Let’s take the second citation first. Mary, too, required a Savior. Like all other descendants of Adam, she was subject to the necessity of contracting original sin. But by a special intervention of God, undertaken at the instant she was conceived, she was preserved from the stain of original sin and its consequences. She was therefore redeemed by the grace of Christ, but in a special way—by anticipation. The age of reason. By definition he can’t sin, since sinning requires the ability to reason and the ability to intend to sin. This is indicated by Paul later in the letter to the Romans when he speaks of the time when Jacob and Esau were unborn babies as a time when they "had done nothing either good or bad" (Rom. 9:11) [ Robert H. Brom, Bishop of San Diego, August 10, 2004 ]1 point -
Sunday Law: National or Global?
Kevin(wrx) reacted to Raphael for a topic
We've just seen glaring examples of the prowess of money.. Through the NRA (USA) and currently the latest declared as even more powerful then the NRA, as the GAYS.. (among others from that bathroom court case about transgenders). So it's plausible with the power of money and furthered with human self-damning insensitivity to the Holy Spirit that yes Sunday Law can happen.. But for it to happen simultaneously on a world scale, i don't think so ahh.. Just like this gay movement that took time over the years to pick up pace and crawl-affect some countries one after another..1 point -
Who are the seven heads of Revelation 17?
Martn reacted to JoeMo for a topic
I don't know if the epistle was written before or after the believers were first called Christians in Antioch; but Paul wrote: "You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. 2 I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? 3 Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh?[a] 4 Have you experienced[b] so much in vain—if it really was in vain? 5 So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?" (Gal. 3:1-5) " It is for freedom that Christ has set us free. Stand firm, then, and do not let yourselves be burdened again by a yoke of slavery. 2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. (Gal. 5:1-4)1 point -
KKK–In my Blood, Not my Heart
dgrimm60 reacted to news for a topic
I walked into the bedroom as my mom was cleaning out my grandmother’s dresser and spotted a strange white bathrobe lying on the bed. “What’s this?” I asked, grabbing the unfamiliar garment and impulsively pulling it over my shoulders and slipping my arms in the sleeves. My mom’s eyes widened a little as she turned around and saw me wearing it. “Do you know what that is?” She had an odd look on her face. “That’s your great-grandfather’s KKK robe.” A chill went through me as I stared at her in disbelief. She was serious! I looked down at the robe, then touched it gingerly. An unfamiliar insignia was sewn on the breast of the robe. A stiff cone-shaped piece of the same cloth lay nearby on the bed, with odd flaps extending from the back. As the astonishment wore off, I picked it up and turned it around slowly, recognizing the hat shape from a Little House on the Prairie KKK program I had seen years before. It’s hard to describe the sensation of looking at a symbol of cold bigotry and knowing it belongs in your family. Anger? Shame? Grief? What exactly is a person supposed to feel when they see hard evidence that someone whose blood runs in their veins embraced something so evil? It’s almost like finding out that your ancestor was a serial killer. And yet, I felt a numb curiosity—an urge to connect with this man I never knew, to plug into his mind and comprehend the mystery of what drove him to think in unfathomable ways. On impulse, I went into the bathroom to look in the mirror. There was a long, strange cape sewn on the back of the neck of the robe, with two small holes cut in it. Eye-holes? Apparently the cape was supposed to go over my head. I hesitated, then unfastened the neck and pulled the cloth over my head, positioning my eyes so they could see through the holes. My neck is longer than his was, I thought absently, a little grateful to know there was at least one tangible physical difference between us. I tucked the cape into the neck under my chin, then buttoned the neck again and fitted the cone-shaped hat over my head with the flaps going down the back behind my neck. On impulse, I turned out the light and then lifted my eyes to look in the mirror. I gasped and shuddered in involuntary shock at the image looking back from the glass. There was no trace of me in the mirror anymore. Instead, an ancient Klansman glowered back at me. This was my heritage—a legacy of cowardice, of hiding behind a cloak, of threatening others from a vantage point of of supposed security and conscious supremacy. The flesh inside the robe now was related to the flesh that used to flaunt this garment with pride. There’s not that much difference between him and me—only years. Years and mindsets. I recall my grandmother speaking reluctantly, softly, once or twice about her childhood memories of going to the KKK picnics. They were not unlike any typical Sunday School picnic, with her gleefully scampering around playing with other children for hours. But in the evening, she remembered soberly watching a burning cross silhouetted against the black sky. But as she grew up, Grandma rejected the philosophy that her father had embraced so passionately, refusing even to bury him in his KKK robe as he had requested. She came to believe that every person was of equal value in God’s sight, without regard to race, ethnic background or religion. Thankfully, she passed on that heritage to me. Had I been raised as she was, perhaps I would have shown less courage than Grandma. I’ll never know. However, I am thankful that I can stand on her shoulders, and that my children can stand on mine. I married a man who not only believes as passionately as I do in racial reconciliation, but even did his doctorate on the topic, and fought tirelessly to bring the races together in South Africa and Zimbabwe, long before I met him. Together we work, in our own small circle, to spread the gospel truth that every human being—no matter their size, shape or color—is priceless in the eyes of God. That doesn’t mean that I don’t struggle with the same urges that drove my great-grandfather, though. On the contrary, they are written into my DNA as a sinner. How often have I felt like I am somehow higher than someone else? Do weight problems, intellectual limitations, fashion choices or any of a million other factors tempt me to look down on others because they are not like me? I can even easily congratulate myself on the fact that I’m not a racist like he was—thus giving in to the same self-exalting impulse. Sinners love bigotry. It is the core of sin—the carnal craving to exalt self above others. Everything in us rebels against trusting what God says—that we are created in His image and redeemed by His blood, and this is the measure of how valued and loved we are. For some reason, we turn away from the one Fountain that would quench our insecurity. Incomprehensibly, we don’t want to believe that we are priceless—just like everyone else. So instead of quietly rooting secure identity in quality time with God every day, we huddle in mini-tribes with others like ourselves, scoffing at the lesser beings and congratulating ourselves on whatever makes us like each another and unlike those lesser people. We trample one another, vainly clambering on the rotting ladder of human rank and respect. We exalt leaders who build their very campaigns on disparaging people groups with whom we do not personally identify. We even want to make God over in our image, a neatly ordered Deity whose community is dependent on everyone keeping Their place in the holy hierarchy, instead of seeking the lowest place even with One Another. We ignore the very law of God that governs the universe—love. Love—the character of a God who came down to earth and, from the manger to the cross, voluntarily took the lowest place, in order to lift us up. We forget so easily that, because of Jesus, “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus” (Gal 3:28). This week, I have been distressed to see stark evidences online that racism is alive and well in my neighborhood. Perhaps there is no more shameful way to demonstrate our disgraceful sense of superiority than to cloak ourselves in anonymity and scorn others without risking exposure or opposition. Instead of a white cloth with eyeholes, modern cowards may hide behind the anonymity of a veil of the Internet, confident they can spew disrespect without risking a loss of respect to themselves. There will come a day that the scraps of cloth with eye-holes will be stripped away. Someday those who considered themselves above others—because of body shape, skin color, facial features, intellectual abilities, or any of a million other human measures of worth—will be rebuked by the One Who declared all equally priceless in the light of Creation and redemption. The blistering contempt of other fallible humans is nothing to fear compared to the dreadful words that some will hear on the Judgment Day. “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who work iniquity.” May we all repent of our bigotry before that day. Nicole Parker was once a zealot intent on changing the world, but is now an astonishingly domesticated homeschooling mom living in quite possibly the tamest town on earth–Collegedale, Tennessee. While engaged in her mundane tasks of chopping veggies and sweeping floors, she enjoys lofty theological ponderings, a pursuit also enjoyed by her husband Alan, a professor at Southern Adventist University. This penchant has led her to inch her way through a master’s degree in biblical counseling, and now has her devouring a master’s degree in pastoral ministry from Andrews University. However, she has zero intention, and even less desire, to become a pastor. Check out her website at www.heartthirst.com View the full article1 point -
DJD419 - Knowing God
dgrimm60 reacted to David Edgren for a topic
Read More Daily Jesus Scripture: Hebrews 6:10 Starting Question: Have you ever been angry enough to break something? Why? Knowing God ** Continued from Hearing God yesterday ** Moses thought aloud, “Were you really going to destroy them?” “What do you think?” God responded. “You promised to take us to a beautiful land,” Moses was thinking out loud, “and if you destroyed us, you would have broken your promise—or at least been unable to fulfill it.” “It would seem you have answered your own question,” God replied, “and quieted your own doubting heart. Now, You need to chisel a couple of new tablets out of the rock wall next to you.” “But,” Moses said, “Last time you-” “Yes, but you broke those tablets,” God reminded. “We often value that which we create with our own hands and by the sweat of our own brow. So, this time, you will make them!” Moses nodded his head in agreement. He turned to the wall and began working. As he chiseled away, he continued talking to God. “How can they be so forgetful?” “Hmmm?” “How can the Israelites forget so easily?” Moses clarified. “You parted the waters of the Red Sea as Egypt’s armies were bearing down on us. We ran headlong into that impossible corridor of wet-walled dry-grounded sea-that-was-no-more and out the other side!” A chip of stone flew over Moses’ head as he took his anger out on the cliff side. “How can they forget and go back to the useless God’s of their captors?” “The Egyptian gods were all they knew,” God said. “Well, all they had been told of, anyway. I was with them through every brick, every whip and every generation.” “What about the Manna? They even complained about food falling from the sky—in the desert, free food! Delicious food.” Moses gently took one stone slab and set it on a large rock. “That’s one done,” he said and returned to the wall to claim another tablet from its stony flesh. “Meat! They wanted meat.” Moses laughed. “That was hilarious. They asked for meat and when you gave it to them — or failed to stop giving it to them, to be more precise — They didn’t know what to do. They were knee high in quail until even the thought of meat made them sick!” ** Continues in Loving God tomorrow ** Reflection Question: Why do you think it was so easy for the Israelites to forget the miracles that God had done for them? Prayer time: Before you pray together, ask: What would you like to say to Jesus today? View the full article1 point -
Was this a suggestion or a command?
Martn reacted to Stan for a topic
I do not want to suggest that I know the answers to what Gov't should do, that will take a miracle to solve, I do know what I need to do in my neighbourhood and community.1 point -
The immaculate conception - a Catholic apologist answers
Raphael reacted to Robert for a topic
Now Bishop Brom is attempting to answer the second charge: "Fundamentalists’ chief reason for objecting to the Immaculate Conception and Mary’s consequent sinlessness is that we are told that 'all have sinned' (Rom. 3:23)." Now what does Romans 3:23 state? All have sinned and all are falling short of God's agape love. It is true that infants are not born guilty of sin because "sin (transgression) is not imputed when there is no law." [Rom 5:13] But, this does not mean they are not sinners. They aren't guilty sinners and therefore willful transgressors, but again they are still sinners and they have within them Adam's fallen nature. Mary was a sinner and she passed to Christ (the son of man) what she herself and received from her mother - a humanity indwelt with iniquity (our bent-to-self). "For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist." 2 John 1:71 point -
The immaculate conception - a Catholic apologist answers
Raphael reacted to Robert for a topic
I can't find this utter nonsense supported in the Bible, but then again as a Protestant I have already been reduced to being called a "fundamentalist". Perhaps this is why the Pope Francis recently stated that "Fundamentalism is a sickness that is in all religions"? No where can I find that Mary was preserved from the stain of original sin. Now you must be careful with the term "original sin", because Catholic dogma really defines it as "original guilt", but that's another subject. Anyway, I find nothing - I mean nothing in the Bible that states that Mary was preserved from Adam's fallen state. Nothing! And notice Bisphop Brom offers not one iota Scripture to support his dogma.1 point -
Don't Hate...
aka reacted to Robert for a topic
Not only wouldn't I trust any of you, I wouldn't trust myself. Jesus is the only man who was victorious over the devil and flesh. He denied Himself from the cradle to the grave.1 point -
Don't Hate...
aka reacted to Bravus for a topic
It's still better - and no harder - to say 'that belief is not Scriptural' than it is to say 'you are not Christian', or to ask 'are you even Christian?' The latter is on a par with 'do you even lift, bro?' It's an attempt at intimidation, not dialogue.1 point