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I will not allow my rats to use my iPhone or any other cell phone, now that I know this. Thanks for sharing,

Be sure to take cell phones away from your rats...

I have a "friend" to whom I will be giving an activated cell phone.

What's a day off???f

The bird cannot fly on the moon because there is no atmosphere to beat its wings against to obtain lift.

Greetings again Samie, I am not sure that I want to follow and answer all that you have stated, and I agree with Robert that such statements as Jesus being born spiritually alive is an unusual concept to base your argument. Yes I agree that Jesus was made like his brethren. A few verses later it is emphasized that he had the same nature as his brethren: Hebrews 2:14 (KJV): Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Notice the emphasis by the many terms used that Jesus is the same nature as his brethren, and that one reason for this was so that he could accomplish deliverance through death. Adam when created was not subject to death, but death came as a result of sin. All of Adam’s descendants inherited this subjection to death including Jesus as Mary was his mother. Also Jesus was tempted in all points like his brethren. The mind of man is described in the following and we are counselled as to the course of action required: Jeremiah 17:9 (KJV): The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? Ephesians 4:21-24 (KJV): 21 If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22 That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23 And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24 And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. Kind regards Trevor

I enjoy Joel Osteen's ministry and it was one of many influences which helped me a few years ago when I was at a low point spiritually. Joel Osteen's public speeches are neither Bible centred nor Christ centred, but is often inspirational and practical. Joel Osteen is not a Bible scholar, and perhaps not even a Bible student. As for "milk" and "meat", I go to restaurants in order to develop relationships and friendships, both personal and professional - I don't really care what's on the menu since I don't really go to restaurants for nourishment. For nourishment, we do our own cooking at home. Similarly I attend church for the fellowship, the music and the sabbath school (part of fellowship). I don't really care what the speaker has cooked up; I have all the ingredients at home, I have the Master-chef to guide me; I have lots and lots of recipes in my library written by His servants (both SdA and non-SdA), so again I prefer to eat my own cooking.

I think I'm developing a lactose intolerance also wherever I attend Sabbath services, at least in Southern California. In the metropolitan area where I've lived for the past 50 years, we used to have fabulous preachers -- those who studied the Bible seriously every week, and preached from various translations and various Bible encyclopedias, and fed us strong NEW "meat" almost every Sabbath. Then they grew old and retired or moved away. When I left there, to move to a new community to be closer to my grandchildren, I started searching for a church. Unfortunately, this area, filled with newer Christians and younger non-Christians, doesn't attract the serious preachers I remember from previous years. I'm now choking on "milk". I need some serious "meat"; and I feel hungry after every church service these days. Of course, when I read about the Christian missionaries of Bible times, or those today who travel to Third World countries to preach the gospel, I realize that God gives us the intelligence to study for ourselves -- to commune with him; to research the translations and Biblical encyclopedias for ourselves. I need to do all that for myself now. I need to spend more time in deep communion with Him. And actually, perhaps I've been placed here for that very purpose. Perhaps I should look for ways to become the channel for His word to those unbelievers all around me in this new setting. I can't depend on anybody else to study for me. It's a big order, but hopefully I'll succeed in bringing some new "meat" or even "milk" to somebody in my new sphere of influence.