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This was beautiful. Did you watch Nyle Dimarco, who is deaf, and Peta dance to this on Dancing with the Stars? It was breathtaking.

I agree with [the idea that God takes responsibility]. Scripture tells us in many places that we were chosen or predestined for the Kingdom; and that Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world. I envision the Father and Son discussing the creation of physical beings with a free will. I hear the Father saying, "Son, these people will, by their own free will, turn against us under the influence of the evil one." This is not a quote from anywhere except my fanciful imagination). Jesus responds: "Father, they will be the pinnacle of Our creation. When they fall, since they are my creation, I will take responsibility for them; and I will pay the consequences for their failings. Then, I will cleanse those who put their faith and trust in me and bring them to the Kingdom." Thus, in response to 8thday's initial query, I do believe that God is ultimately responsible for the chaos we face on planet earth. After all, He is the one that gave us a choice between good and evil; between order and chaos. He has also stepped up to the plate to pay the consequences, in that our very Creator - the Word made into Flesh - paid the total penalty for our shortcomings, so that all who believe in (trust) Him will be adopted as His brothers and join the family of God.

Dennis, If you *do* decide to post here, I recommend the following: 1) do NOT copy and paste from your website... 2) don't try to "teach", as if we are all a bunch of misguided ninnies who haven't studied, and you are the one with all the "answers" 3) simply put forth your statement of belief(s), along with your proof and/or concise explanation (again, do not copy and paste from your website) ... 4) be open to other opinions about the meaning of your various "proof texts" — not everyone sees the same thing in them.

IF the rebellion had NEVER HAPPENED, created beings would have lived in harmony. They would go up to worship the Father and His Son. But they would never have known the DEPTH of Their love for created beings. I agree with Kevin, that God can use the WORST evil to bring about the highest good. Because of the rebellion, and the sacrifice it necessitated created beings will feel and know a love for the Father and His Son, which would not have been POSSIBLE. I personally believe that the horrible pain and evil resulting from the rebellion, added to the revelation of the love of God, will serve to protect the universe of God for eternity, from another rebellion resulting from a question concerning the character, the justice, or the fairness of God.

The Serpent told the lie, and Eve believed the lie. Which is responsible. The liar or the one who is deceived? At the final judgment, the sins of the redeemed are put on the head of the scapegoat, indicating that he is responsible. BUT - God created Satan. Did God KNOW that Satan would rebel, or did He just know that rebellion was POSSIBLE.

It's either the red pill or the blue pill.

US heavy metal band, Disturbed, did a wonderful rendition of Simon and Garfunkel's song "Sound of Silence." In this video, Michael Scott interprets the song via ASL (American Sign Language).

I have a problem of making God responsible as the defs all seem to say that individual is the cause. So maybe people are using some other def for the word. We understand that Adam and Eve choose not to believe what God had to say about choice and its results. So, they are responsible for the chaos we face. If it is deemed that God has caused it all by giving us a choice....than we have a 'catch-22.

Dennis: I have clicked on both of your listed URLS. Neither work. I did eventually find your website. But, it should be noted that there appear to be a number of "Spirit of Truth Ministries" who are not associated with you. If it is indeed you who wrote a PhD. thesis entitled: INTERACTION OF XENON RYDBERG ATOMS WITH CONDUCTIVE SERFACES THE EFFECTS OF STRAY FIELDS, you do have an interesting background. I think that I did find your cited book online, at least I found a place that claimed to be your book, I think. If so, it seems to be a work in progress with the most recent posting to have occurred on June 3. In any case, it did not seem to be easier reading than your thesis probably was. My recommendation: If you wish to engage in dialogue here in CA, you should probably make some changes in the manner in which you seem to engage people.

Dennis: I commend you for telling us exactly who you are and where we can access your teachings on the Internet. In my thinking, that is a positive. To me, the manner in which your have presented yourself in approaching Stan, is a negative. This is both on a personal basis and on a general basis. You challenge us to be willing to consider "new truth" and willing to learn. Yet, you come across as having truth and no need for you to learn. There are also some other negatives that I could mention. NOTE: I do not remember you. I have not visited your Internet sites at this time, however I probably will do so. In any case, my comments here have noting to do with what you teach. They are simply based upon my reaction to what you have posted here.

In his last assignment as NAD chaplain, his office was just around the corner from mine, our offices actually share a common wall. And before that his office was also just around another corner a few steps from my office. For the last number of years I have enjoyed chatting with him and encountering him throughout the day. I have missed him for the last few months as his condition worsened and he was no longer able to come to work. I will miss his inspiring and pleasant conversations. His spiritual influence and blessing to so many will be greatly missed.