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not to keep beating a dead horse, but here is what the White Estate has said regarding the "red dress": I think Mrs. White wanted people to read her words, but to use common sense and discernment when doing so...

My point is Ellen White wasn't infallible....You aren't ...I'm not, and the Pope isn't for sure...

The URL below leads to a revelation of a societal norm, at least in the U.S., that develops from either lack of knowledge or deliberate opposition to the Truth that never changes. 26 And He said, "If you will give earnest heed to the voice of the LORD your God, and do what is right in His sight, and give ear to His commandments, and keep all His statutes, I will put none of the diseases on you which I have put on the Egyptians; for I, the LORD, am your healer." ....Exodus 15 16 Do you not know that you yourselves are God’s temple, and that God’s Spirit dwells in you? 17 If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy him; for God’s temple is holy, and you are that temple.… 1 Corinthians 3 http://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Matthew-Chapter-1/ God is Love!~Jesus saves!

That is not true. If you read from the not-inspired version, that's what it says. But the KJV does not say this. In fact, it is possible to live without sinning. Jesus came to show us how. He did not come to live a perfect life because we can't or so that we don't have to. Remember, God bids us to be perfect. We are told not to err. We are told to keep His commandments. "All His biddings are enablings," Mrs. White says. I believe that, do you?

It should be noted that Bible prophecy is not like a beauty contest, where an individual can pick and choose the interpretation that looks best to them (like one would pick the best looking beauty / contestant). Bible prophecy is more like a math exam. If the figures add up, you have it right. If the figures do not add up, it is wrong (no matter how good it looks in the eyes of the beholder). And Bible prophecy (like the 3 angels' Messages) can be a matter of life and death. Get it right and get ready for Heaven or get it wrong and be like those in Noah's Day that missed the boat. When we are dealing with the last warning messages to the world, we would do well to get serious about understanding them and realize that misunderstanding them can have eternal consequences. Christian regards His child

Tom: It is often their understanding of what the Bible/EGW says that takes priority and not a priority of the actual written word.

Well, I tracked it down: Gregory's "red shirt" red herring comes from an UNPUBLISHED letter--at least, not ever published by Mrs. White. That should settle the matter. Again, what she published is what we are to read and understand, obeying the voice of the Holy Spirit speaking through it.

Honestly, I have, until today, stayed out of this topic. This topic is but a prime opportunity for people to speak foolishness. Both in the [Battle Creek] Tabernacle and in the college the subject of inspiration has been taught, and finite men have taken it upon themselves to say that some things in the Scriptures were inspired and some were not. I was shown that the Lord did not inspire the articles on inspiration published in the Review, [REFERENCE HERE IS TO A SERIES OF ARTICLES THE WRITER OF WHICH ADVOCATED THAT THERE WERE "DIFFERENCES IN DEGREES" OF INSPIRATION. SEE THE REVIEW AND HERALD, JAN. 15, 1884.--COMPILERS.] neither did He approve their endorsement before our youth in the college. When men venture to criticize the Word of God, they venture on sacred, holy ground, and had better fear and tremble and hide their wisdom as foolishness. God sets no man to pronounce judgment on His Word, selecting some things as inspired and discrediting others as uninspired. The testimonies have been treated in the same way; but God is not in this.--Letter 22, 1889. {1SM 23.1} That said, we are counseled to work patiently with those who do not yet accept the published Writings. Some, I was shown, could receive the published visions, judging of the tree by its fruits. Others are like doubting Thomas; they cannot believe the published Testimonies, nor receive evidence through the testimony of others; but must see and have the evidence for themselves. Such must not be set aside, but long patience and brotherly love should be exercised toward them until they find their position and become established for or against. If they fight against the visions, of which they have no knowledge; if they carry their opposition so far as to oppose that in which they have had no experience, and feel annoyed when those who believe that the visions are of God speak of them in meeting, and comfort themselves with the instruction given through vision, the church may know that they are not right. God's people should not cringe and yield, and give up their liberty to such disaffected ones. God has placed the gifts in the church that the church may be benefited by them; and when professed believers in the truth oppose these gifts, and fight against the visions, souls are in danger through their influence, and it is time then to labor with them, that the weak may not be led astray by their influence. {1T 328.1} Note: Mrs. White makes clear that it is foolish to speak of degrees of inspiration, or of which parts of Scripture/her testimonies are inspired and which were not. I hope none of us will quickly demonstrate our foolishness in this area.

Borrowed from my son Steven R Odenthal 6 hrs · What I find interesting as we head into this dismal election cycle is all the whining and complaining I've been seeing about the choices we have. For decades we as a nation have been asking our government to do more and more and we as individuals less and less. We vote for politicians who say they will feed the poor. That's our job. We vote for politicians who say they have compassion for the homeless and want to build them houses. That's our job. We vote for politicians who say they will provide healthcare for those less fortunate. Again, that's our job. We vote for politicians who will take money from those who have earned it so that it can be given to you for your family. That's YOUR job. Hate to say it folks, but we have the government and the candidates we deserve. We created this because we allowed for decades the government to grow beyond its constitutional boundaries so that we could feel good about ourselves. Isn't it compassionate when we vote for candidates who promise the fruit of someone else's labor? No, it's not. Because giving them the power to do for someone else what you should be doing means they now have the power to do to you what you don't want them to do. Look in the mirror ladies and gentlemen...we the people have done this to ourselves. You were right Benjamin, we had a republic, and it was up to us to hold onto it. LikeShow more reactions CommentShare

I'm surprised they haven't banned all serif fonts. So difficult to read! [/TIC]

Inspiration is a combination of the human and the divine. It has to be in order for us humans to understand it. EGW clearly understood this and so stated it. So, let us take my red dress example. To be brief, Ellen White sent a woman a piece of red cloth, as well as some other material. She told the woman that she looked good in red and she should have a dress made out of the red cloth. This incident is recorded in the records of EGWs life and ministry. 1) Should we teach that the statement of EGW to that woman was directly inspired by God? 2) Should we teach that God has told us through EGW, that all women look good in red and all women should wear a red dress at least sometimes? NOTE: I have personally come to know people who have believed and taught such. I am not making this up. For me, the resolution to this is in my understanding of inspiration, which you do not have to accept as truth. When God provides us with a prophet, God does so for a specific purpose. That purpose becomes the central message of that prophet. God helps that prophet in communicating that central message in a manner that preserves that message that allow God's truth to be communicated to other humans. But, the preservation of that central message may not be extended to every other aspect of the prophets personal belief. Daniel has a message from God in the O.T. That message has been preserved for us in our time. But, that does not mean that Daniel understood every aspect of that message in his time. It does not mean that he understood everything that we understand today. Living in the time of the N.T. and beyond to that of the Time of the End and of the Christian Church, we probably have God-given knowledge of our salvation that Daniel did not have. It also does not mean that Daniel, in speaking of the common affairs of his life was inspired by God in everything that he said. As I have experienced, we should not elevate EGW above that which we can expect from a Biblical prophet. In addition, we must individually decide as to what the reason and purpose was in giving this denomination the gift of EGW. As so me would believe, was it to explain a Bible t hat could not be otherwise understood? No. Not according to her. according to her, the Bible was to be the test of her authority. I believe that God gave this denomination the gift of EGW to be a guide in our administrative development. We would not be the denomination that we are today if it had not been for her. However, we would have reached our doctrinal understanding of the fundamentals, without her. God led us in fundamental doctrines..

The Bible is an inspired book. Those who wrote it were inspired. 1) Were the Biblical writers always accurate? 2) When it says (Exodus 1:11) that the children of Israel built Rameses was that an accurate statement? You have a huge dating problem if you do say so. 3) When a Biblical writer mentions the 4-corners of the Earth, is that accurate? What about the sun moving around the Earth? Folks, the Bible is trustworthy, true and sufficient for our salvation. But, that does not mean that it is accurate in every detail. It is a book that is a mixture of the human and the divine. We should not expect more of Ellen White than we can expect of the Bible and its prophets.