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fun new way to get around!
phkrause and one other reacted to Gregory Matthews for a topic
Pam: Cute, and it has a small electric motor to help the "driver" out. My recent new toy is attached (in a photo). It is a 7-year old NEV, licensed to drive on some public roads and all electric. When I purchased it, it had a bit over 13,000 miles on it. I have driven it to local stores a few times. My wife has not driven it yet. But, she will . She wanted it.2 points -
a picture in 365 slices...
Outta Here and one other reacted to rudywoofs (Pam) for a topic
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Trivia Quiz?
Outta Here reacted to phkrause for a topic
Answer: The New York Post is the 13th-oldest and seventh-most-widely circulated newspaper in the United States. Established in 1801 by federalist and Founding Father Alexander Hamilton, it became a respected broadsheet in the 19th century, under the name New York Evening Post. The meeting at which Hamilton first recruited investors for the new paper took place in then-country weekend villa that is now Gracie Mansion. The modern version of the paper is published in tabloid format. In 1976, Rupert Murdoch bought the Post for US$30.5 million. Since 1993, the Post has been owned by News Corporation and its successor, News Corp, which had owned it previously from 1976 to 1988. I would never have guessed the NYPost in a million years!!1 point -
Prophetic Inspiration
Tom Wetmore reacted to Robert for a topic
God is agape. Agape loves its enemies, those who do wickedly. Luke 6:27 Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you. 29 If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to them the other also. If someone takes your coat, do not withhold your shirt from them. 30 Give to everyone who asks you, and if anyone takes what belongs to you, do not demand it back. 31 Do to others as you would have them do to you. 32 “If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners love those who love them. 33 And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that. 34 And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even sinners lend to sinners, expecting to be repaid in full.35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.1 point -
Prophetic Inspiration
phkrause reacted to Kevin H for a topic
No, we are using these lessons because we are Seventh-day Adventists and not Southern Baptists. For centuries the Bible had been assumed to be inspired (actually words and books are not inspired but the people who wrote them were). Until Evolution became popular,there were good people and bad people yet most people believed in God and believed that the Bible was inspired. In the mid-1800s with the rise of Evolution, people started to become atheists and began questioning the Bible being inspired. These people started to see the Bible as purely human in origin and that it was full of fictional stories about people who either never lived or if they did live was just a local person who had a lot of untrue stories added to their legend. In reaction to this Christians, wanting to believe the Bible started for the first time in centuries to ask what Inspiration means. the conclusion they came up with is "Since God is perfect and all knowing, so his word must be perfect and not contain any errors" and the view of "Fundamentalism" developed. Babylon started to fall (it was a process that was beginning at this time and the Millerites were the first to notice) Part of that fall was how churches became either liberal/unbelieving or believing but by way of Fundamentalism. The Lord protected us by a mistake, we believed in what was called the "Shut door" theory which limited our connection with the events in the church as a whole and by the time we learned that we were wrong the churches had already fallen into one of these 2 ditches. We were the remanant of those who did not fall into one of these 2 ditches. Although as we began interacting with others again we tended to be attracted to fundamentalism since we were in agreement with the ideas of belief in God and Creationism and that the Bible was inspired. But we originally disagreed about what Inspiration meant. It appears that W. W. Prescott was the first Fundamentalist in Adventism and he began teaching it. He influenced Stephen Haskell, A. G. Daniels, and D. M. Canright. When Mrs. White learned about this she requested Prescott to stop teaching and to work with her on her writings. She also invited Daniels and Canright as well. She gave them assignments that were as shocking to them as these messages are to some people here. They were absolutely horrified by her assignments for them. They had to correct inspired writings. Mrs. White told them that they had to look for errors and to make them as accurate as they Eventually Daniels and Prescott gave up Fundamentalism because it did not fit the facts about Mrs. White. Canright gave up Mrs. White because she did not meet the Fundamentalist standard. There has been a friction in Adventism between fundamentalists and non-fundamentalists. Mrs. White would fight it. She and Stephen Haskell had many conversations and letters between them on this topic. Mrs. White trying to teach him to give up fundamentalism and sharing with him information that includes information that I've been trying to share here. Elder Haskell trying to convince her to become a fundamentalist and telling her how God works through her. Both were frustrated because neither could convince the other to their view. There were also fundamentalists who were not on as friendly terms with Mrs. White as Haskell was. I read documents in the White Estate vault accusing Mrs. White of apostasy, of being controlled by Jesuits, or at least by people like Willie White her son (who they compared to Aaron's sons who was consumed by the Lord, and what was said about Samuel's sons. [note about Samuel's sons, there is some evidence that they were not as bad as described, but Samuel supported the tribes to the north and his sons supported the tribes in the south so it may have been more political than morality.] These articles were telling people not to read Mrs. White's current writings, that if they wanted to know what she was writing before she became an apostate and thus the truth to read what Elder's Washburn and a young man Elder Wilkinson and others who believed like them, were presenting of her writings. They quoted her massively but Mrs. White accused them of editing her work to force their ideas on our people and that they did not understand her message. (Elder Washburn's uncle was Elder Butler. Elder Butler wrote a series of articles in the Review opposing fundamentalism in the 1880s. While he and his nephew were in agreement in their dislike of Jones and Wagner in 1888 in the early 1900s they were at odds on the topic of Fundamentalism.) Fundamentalism grew in Christianity as a whole in the first decade of the 20th century with a series of Pamphlets called "The Fundamentals." We could agree with most of what they said, but not everything. Then in 1919 they had a big Bible Conference in Philadelphia PA. Sadly many Adventists were planning to attend. Elder Daniels believed that if Fundamentalism got into the church that it would eventually destroy the church, so he fought it. He invited those who were on their way to Philadelphia to stop by in Washington DC for a Bible conference. They had different topics but one was the nature of inspiration. At first it looked like they made progress, only a few people, such as Elder Washburn and Wilkinson were upset with it. Sadly the group moved on to Philadelphia and brought home the message from Philadelphia and rejected the truth that God was trying to give his church in Washington D. C. Then came the (in places I've read some list the General Conference as 1922 others 1923) but in one of those years the Fundamentalists took over throwing Daniel's out of office, demoting W. W. Prescott. Willie White got to keep his job but it was it was stripped of all authority and influence. (basically Willie White was fired but was allowed to keep his office and paycheck). There was the throwing out the religion department of Washington Missionary College (who were Anti-Fundamentalists, Wilkinson was something like a dean or president of WMC and had been upset with the religion department), and there were witch hunts in the church for anti-fundamentalists. Now the new General Conference president, William Spicer, was considered almost as big a heretic as Daniels, Prescott and the White family. But he was elected because unlike Daniels he felt that Fundamentalism would not destroy the church. He was willing to keep his heresy to himself. Also he (as well as others) held two views of inspiration. Spicer was a Fundamentalist when it came to the Bible and a non-fundamentalist towards Mrs. White. It was in the 1920s after that disastrous General Conference That Mrs. White first started to be called "An inspired Commentary on the Bible" (Earlier attempts were opposed by Mrs. White and Willie was not happy). Kind of the unofficial view that has come into the church is the idea "Mrs. White is not infallible, it's just that she never made a mistake or an error." Yet there has also be an anti-fundamentalist group. In the 1970s a student at Atlantic Union College was upset with what he was hearing in the "Spirit of Prophecy" class. He gave the professor some copies of lectures by a pastor he liked and suggested that the professor change his classes to what the pastor was teaching. The professor read the information. He then said "I hope that this pastor stays ignorant of the facts. If he were to learn the facts about Mrs. White he will not only reject Mrs. White but he will cause much trouble in the church. Well this pastor unfortunately did learn the truth and was horrified about what he learned and wrote a book about how horrible it was, his name was Walter Rea and the book was "The White Lie". I know that some people here wish that we were all fundamentalists here, but the fundamentalists have had a tendency of falling away and those of us who reject fundamentalism tend to hear and read say Canright and Rea and still believe in Mrs. White and still believe in the Investigative Judgment. I believe that the attacks we saw by Canright and Rea against Mrs. White, are not an issue and that we have the same issues with the Bible. In the end of time many will be lost because their faith is in fundamentalism rather than the facts of scripture. What we saw in the Seventh-day Adventist church in the early 1980s with Mrs. White we are going to see in the church as a whole as the same problems that we found in Mrs. White will be pointed out in scripture. Those who want the Bible to fit the fundamentalist standard will give up the Bible the same way many gave up Mrs. White in the 1980s.1 point -
Original animal diets
D. Allan reacted to Bravus for a topic
Maybe all the animals in Eden were green and photosynthesised, so not even plants had to die.1 point