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I don't like the fringe group of the BLM who call for murdering police and causing destruction of property. I might be entirely off in my perceptions, but I'm under the impression that the majority of folks who use the "Black Lives Matter" mantra aren't trying to diminish the value of Caucasian, Hispanic, Asian, Native American, or other lives. It is more that they are sounding the alarm on a historical trend of black lives seeming to have less value to many (not all) people, and the inequality of the way one group of people is overtly and covertly treated vs other groups. A person can say to their son, "I love you." Does that mean s/he doesn't love their other children? Of course not. A person who says s/he loves their son, or daughter, or mother, or father, isn't diminishing the fact that they love all of their family. Even the Bible reads that Jesus had a "disciple whom He loved".... does that mean He didn't love His other disciples, or that He didn't love *all* His followers? Nope. It is like calling 911 to report that your house is on fire, or is being burglarized. Dispatch could tell you they don't want your address, because *your* house isn't any more important than anyone else's. Isn't that how the response of "All lives matter" might sound to those whose racial group seems to be "on fire" or is being "burglarized" and they're shouting for help? It doesn't matter how the fire started, or who is trying to steal — it's just the fact that it is happening. A solution needs to be addressed — it is too big to be handled alone, and if the fire isn't put out (or the ransacking of the home isn't stopped), then those very same issues spread, become even more out of control, and affect wider and wider concentric circles of racial and other groups. Telling someone whose house is on fire to use their garden hose to put out the fire themselves because their house isn't any more important than anyone else's seems ridiculous, but that's really what the "all lives matter" response is doing... at least that's how it seems to me.

Rossw, I take issue with what you said in the quote below: You made that statement in the context of a question that Coaspen asked: Is it the Bible alone. . . or is it the Bible and EGW. In my thinking it is still a major issue even if we never find anything in EGW to be in opposition to what the Bible teaches. That major issue is the issue of "canonicity." We cannot add to the canon of Scripture simply because nothing in the addition is in opposition to the Bible. The Bible, as understood in the Protestant tradition was given to all humans everywhere as a spiritual guide and a raevelaiton of God's interaction in human life. It is by the Bible that my Roman Catholic neighbor and the fellow SDA who attends the local SDA Church will be judged. Ellen White was a gift of God to the SDA church to guide in its development. My Roman Catholic neighbor will not be judged by Ellen White. As a gift of God, I will be spiritually enriched, if I appropriately heed EGWs advice. But, the Bible remains that standard for my spiritual life.

It never "officially" considered them equal; although the culture of some in the church consider them to be equal. In my opinion, those who do make their brand of Adventism a cult. Any religion that puts it's own writings on par with or above scripture (like LDS, JW's, some SDA's) are in danger of becoming a cult.

Green has said below. I have inserted numbers into what he said so that I may respond to him: 1) The teaching of the SDA denomination has never been that the writings of EGW are canonical. Neither has that been the position of EGW. 2) The phrase "the SDA Church" has a number of meanings. Yes, it can mean the members and often does. It can mean the pronouncements of the General Conference I session, which is believed my many to speak authoratively to the members. As a legal organization it can mean the pronouncements of those officials elected at a General Conference Session. It can also refer to an organized body of SDA members in a specific area, such as a Conference. It that respect it can mean those elected officials of that Conference. 3) Green, I have always considered you to be a SDA member. Due to recent posts of yours in which I understand you to be stating that the SDA Denomination has aposticed several times in the past, I am just now beginning to question whether or not you actually are a SDA. 4) Correctness in doctrine is not determined by the number of people who believe it.

What was Jesus' excuse for eating fish and lamb? Why the command in Exodus to eat a Passover lamb? Why will there be fishermen in the Kingdom? Oh I know - Jesus didn't have the light that we currently have through Mrs. White.

" I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll. " (Rev.22:18) Hopefully your word choice here is a matter of semantics. I don't think I would go so far as to say she "adds" to the Bible, even if I did consider her a bona fide prophet.

Are you saying that one must accept both the Bible and EGW as infallible sources of inspiration? If so, I completely disagree. There are many places where the Bible and EGW's writings are at odds. When that happens, I will take what the Bible says and ignore EGW every time. EGW calls herself a lesser light; and says if anything she says conflicts with scripture, to disregard her writings.

Being deliberately obtuse is not helpful. The slogan is not JUST black lives matter. It's black lives matter.

No it is simply saying all matter. Not just black lives. A very recent example of saying "lives" don't matter is the booing during a moment of silence in honor of the policemen shot in Dallas as they were protecting "black lives". The life of a black person doesn't have anymore value than a white,mexican,asian person.

All lives matter is simply way of saying to black people "shut up!"

On Quoting Sister White.--How can the Lord bless those who manifest a spirit of "I don't care," a spirit which leads them to walk contrary to the light which the Lord has given them? But I do not ask you to take my words. Lay Sister White to one side. Do not quote my words again as long as you live until you can obey the Bible. [ELLEN WHITE WAS MEETING THE LEADERS OF THE CHURCH AS A GROUP FOR THE FIRST TIME IN TEN YEARS. SITUATIONS IN BOTH THE GENERAL CONFERENCE AND IN OUR BATTLE CREEK-BASED INSTITUTIONS HAD IN MANY CASES REACHED A LOW EBB. TESTIMONIES CALLING FOR A RETURN TO BIBLE PRINCIPLES HAD BEEN RECEIVED, THEORETICALLY, BUT NO REAL IMPROVEMENT HAD TAKEN PLACE. MOST DELEGATES COMING TO THE GENERAL CONFERENCE SESSION, WHICH WOULD OPEN THE NEXT MORNING, SENSED THAT THERE MUST BE CHANGES. ELLEN WHITE WOULD IN THE OPENING MEETING REBUKE INSTITUTIONAL LEADERS AND CALL FOR A REORGANIZATION OF THE GENERAL CONFERENCE. IT WAS HER BURDEN THAT THE CHANGES THAT NEEDED TO BE MADE WOULD BE BASED ON BIBLE PRINCIPLES AND NOT JUST ON THE WORD OF ELLEN WHITE. IN THIS ADDRESS SHE DECLARED: "GOD HAS TOLD ME THAT MY TESTIMONY MUST BE BORNE TO THIS CONFERENCE, AND THAT I MUST NOT TRY TO MAKE MEN BELIEVE IT. MY WORK IS TO LEAVE THE TRUTH WITH THE PEOPLE, AND THOSE WHO APPRECIATE THE LIGHT FROM HEAVEN WILL ACCEPT THE TRUTH."-- MANUSCRIPT 43, 1901. COUNSEL WOULD COME THROUGH HER AS THE MESSENGER OF THE LORD AND THIS COUNSEL SHOULD BE HEEDED, BUT WORK IN DEPTH MUST BE DONE, WORK BASED ON THE PRINCIPLES SET FORTH IN GOD'S WORD.--COMPILERS.] When you make the Bible your food, your meat, and your drink, when you make its principles the elements of your character, you will know better how to receive counsel from God. I exalt the precious Word before you today. Do not repeat what I have said, saying, "Sister White said this," and "Sister White said that." Find out what the Lord God of Israel says, and then do what He commands.--Manuscript 43, 1901. (From an address to church leaders the night before the opening of the General Conference session of 1901.) {3SM 33.1} In the above passage, Ellen White clearly addresses a particular class of individuals--those who took an attitude of "I don't care." She does not put these words out as for everyone, but was addressing them to a particular group of leaders. As our English saying says, "if the shoe fits, wear it." Anyone today who takes a careless attitude toward the words of the Bible should NOT be quoting Mrs. White until they have followed her advice in the above. Notice, too, that her advice in the above passage having been followed, she herself then permits the hearers to again quote her. In other words, her writings are not to displace the Bible, but to add to it. "Until you can obey the Bible." Important concept there. NOTE: It appears that the above was not written by Mrs. White, but spoken, and recorded by someone, perhaps a stenographer. While I do not question its accuracy, she may not have had opportunity to check it or edit it prior to its later publishing after her demise. I would put more credence into something that could be attributed directly to her own pen. To me it is the "scriptures" that I hold in highest regard, not anecdotal accounts by others who were not prophetically inspired.

True, but I can turn the tables and say that I see you as apostatizing in ignoring evidence in the Bible that comes from more than proof texts. That you are rejecting Jesus in his practice on the role of women in the church. That you are deciding what parts of Mrs. White is inspired and which are not when you take your favorite quotes as written in stone and reject what she wrote to Haskell and about the reform dress and testimony # 11 and the assignments she gave to Prescott, Daniel's and Canright. as touching the ark. Green, I do not say "This part of Mrs. White is inspired and this part is not." that is a lie you are saying about me to try to force your views. Mrs. White herself was inspired, not any writings. Anything she did was done by an inspired person. Anything she wrote was written by an inspired person, INCLUDING WHERE SHE TELLS US HOW SHE WANTS HER WRITINGS TO BE USED AND HOW SHE DOES NOT WANT HER WRITINGS TO BE USED!!!! Are you not doing what you are accusing people here of doing, picking and choosing what parts of the Bible and Mrs. White you want to accept and what writings and actions you want to reject?

I see this thread is going a couple of different directions; Fundamentalism, the Fundamental beliefs, and the role of local prophets compared to the more universal prophets who contributed to the Canon. While the word "Fundamental" appears in both "Fundamentalism" and "Fundamental beliefs" these are two different things. Our church has from time to time, even in the days of the Whites, published a list of fundamental beliefs. These have just been basic lists of what we sort of believe. When we update these lists (at least until the 2015 General Conference) we have been very careful to have it generalized enough and vague enough for the multiple applications within the church. When the 27 Fundamental beliefs were formed a book was written along with it. The 27 were written to include the views of Maxwell, the Adventist Theological Society, views expressed by Green Cochoa, views expressed by the so called "Historic Adventists" views of more mainline Adventists, and some more liberal Adventists. Some of our leaders wrote a book along with the 27. While the "Official Statement" was written vaguely enough to include a wide variety of though, the book gave how some of our church leaders were hoping that we would read those words and made them more specific. The 27 was a carefully crafted work to be inclusive. One of my concerns about the 2015 General Conference was that it wanted to "Clarify" the 27. That is dangerous. As long as we keep the spirit of the 27 we are not in danger of making it a creed. If we put more stock in the book and if we want to clarify it too much then we are in danger of making it into a dangerous creed. But it find it interesting that it is Green Cochoa who is complaining about the dangers of the misuse of the 27/28, because where he and I disagree is where he wants to make his interpretation our creed and force his views (such as on women's ordination, headship theology and what we consider to be Biblical arguments) on the rest of us. I can live with him believing what he believes. The church should have room for both of us. We should both have the right to want to speak as clearly as we can for what we believe and for others to listen to the different arguments and make up their own minds as to which corresponds to their conscience and what they see as Biblical. Our church has that freedom that many other churches do not have. This ties to women's ordination. I have shared my arguments as to why I believe that the Bible and Mrs. White support women's ordination and what I see as danger in "Headship" Theology. Green has told us that he supports "Headship" Theology and that he only accepts as Biblical direct Biblical quotes, while I want to understand what those quotes actually mean by learning more of the language and culture and history. People can read and study and make up their own minds. We should not force women's ordination on people who disagree with it, but we should not prevent it from the women who have been faithfully serving the church in ministry and from members who do believe that it is Biblical. There is a big difference between someone who says "The Bible is against women's ordination but that was fine for their times but we have to do something for our times" from the spirit of two people one who believes that the Bible teaches headship theology, the other believes that the Bible does not teach headship theology and believes that the story of Mary and Martha fits the cultural understanding of the debate on women's ordination in Jesus' day and thus should also be applied to our day if we are to follow Jesus' example, and that there are literary and cultural structures in both the Old and New Testaments that support women's ordination, and having a church large enough for room for both of these people.

It says quite simply that it is the testimony of Jesus. Testimony is the spoken words of a person. The testimony of Jesus is the words spoken by Jesus. In the context this could mean the words spoken by Jesus to John that he wrote down in the book of Revelation, which is really the whole book as described in the opening words, "This is the revelation of Jesus." Testimony and revelation are really quite similar in meaning. To testify is to reveal something. Those brethren that have the testimony of Jesus are the ones that heard it. They are the first hand witnesses of Jesus life and teaching that spread that as the good news of the Christ. So it seems to me that the testimony of Jesus is also the testimony about Jesus by those that were there that heard what he said and witnessed what he did. So in the context of what John wrote, it includes the gospel writers. The phrase "spirit of prophecy" is referring to the above testimony, first and foremost the words spoken by Jesus and the gospel witnesses of what Jesus said and did. The spirit of something is the vital principle, its essential meaning. If I refer to "the spirit of the law", I am speaking of its general meaning or intent, its inspiration. It is the key to really understanding it. So, in context the spirit of the prophecy that John was writing, the key to understanding it was the testimony (words) of and about Jesus. A good place to start to understand the prophecy of Revelation is the Gospels. And in a broader sense, Jesus is the key to understanding any Biblical prophecy. I prefer not to refer to the writings of EGW as The Spirit of Prophecy, because it tends to imply that that one verse in Revelation is just talking about her words and her testimonies. She does indeed bear witness to Jesus by her many wonderful and insightful words about him as His messenger. But it is really not her words that are the spirit of prophecy, but the testimony of Jesus.

1) For context/verification, where does Mrs. White say her words are not equal to the Bible? 2) Are you equating Ellen White to a pastor in place of a prophetess? 3) Since when does "the SDA church" not consider EGW and the Bible as being equal? Who or what is "the church"? Is it not composed of its members? Am I not one among them? I am hardly alone in this belief, for it is the teaching of the Scriptures. 4) Your implied desire to disenfranchise/disfellowship those with whom you disagree does not come from the sweet Spirit of Christ.

Sorry, I wanted to like a quote but hit the quote button instead and it won't let me comment with out this...

Green: You and I both differ and agree on issues regarding a creed. As to the so-called 27 & 28, they were never intended to become a creed. However, there are some (many) Adventists who have essentially made them into a creed. I strongly object to that. This means that I have a strong objection to how some are using the book.

In light of the above quote...why are we having this long discussion about the use of EGW and inspiration? Tis rather puzzling, is it the Bible alone, as she said many times, or is it the Bible and EGW which she never said, that we should be following and studying?

You're right - this is a terrible translation - or paraphrase as the case may be. The red-letter stuff appears to be someone's private interpretation. There is nothing in the original language that points directly at Obama - but you already knew that. I don't see anything in Daniel or Revelation that even vaguely refers to Obama, even now that I think I know what to look for. Over and out.

I saw last night that Hacksaw Ridge was a "trending" category on the Internet. Cool. (And...the trailer alone is enough to bring tears to my eyes!)

There has been over 10,000,000 views on the various youtube alone.

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It's cool. I didn't take it negatively. Agreed, but there are some folks who won't even concede that obvious point. This is a complex and difficult issue but no progress can be made in finding solutions if the obvious cannot be acknowledged. Of course SSRI's a significant factor but the variable that stands out is the number and type of guns that are available in the USA. Yes, of course. There's a reason why soldiers are primarily equipped with guns. Guns are more efficient killing machines. If the Orlando shooter had a knife it would be safe to say he wouldn't have been so "effective".

i would just add that there are indeed a lot of species we do not have today that have gone extinct. And fossil records of many that became extinct a very long time ago. Maybe that is what happens to the dinosaurs! Noah ate them!