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Joeb, my thinking is that you have misrepsented what Kevin has actually said. However, I will leave it to Kevin as to what he says about this as I may be wrong.

See: http://www.adventistreview.org/church-news/story4642-hacksawawards

You seem to believe that Obama is the vile person king of Dan 11. Obama is either Christian, Muslim, or both. As such he believes in God. Hence, he doesn't seem to fit Daniel's specs of the vile person king: Daniel 11:36-37 36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. 37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Many Yiddish words found in English came from Southern Yiddish dialects. In the 1930s, Yiddish was spoken by more than 10 million people, but by 1945, 75% of them were gone. Shalom Aleichem! No other language has the expressive power of Yiddish – maybe because it’s a mash-up of several languages. An interesting point to think about: In the Nazi extermination camps an offer was made to each Jew that they were free to leave if they would publicly confess to the messiahship of Jesus for salvation. All they had to do was repudiate Yahweh and they could walk out of the camp. Most all in the camps, with only a handful of exceptions, stayed, choosing martyrdom over betrayal of their Jewish faith. (in this topic thread I had at the time used Yentyl as my display name. I've changed into another avatar and hope it doesn't bother readers much)

They all sang with clarity and proper enunciation. The Hanukkah celebration is way more spiritual than our Dec.25th hype. Thanks to Phkrause for this whole topic thread.

I think that part of your statement shows the difference between you and most, not all, of the rest of SDAism. We simply don't believe 'our works' will help in any approval by God. Christ paid the bill, God has already accepted the bill as paid in full.

Songs for Hanukkah Music is a huge part of enjoying the holidays, and Hanukkah is no exception! Here are some of the best loved Hanukkah songs that are sung year after year. Read more at http://www.beliefnet.com/love-family/holidays/songs-for-hanukkah.aspx

Joeb: I point out that my study has been in Biblical history from those sinful schools of Atlantic Union College, The Seventh-day Adventist Theological Seminary, Andrews University, and the Jerusalem Center for Biblical Studies. My studies in the languages have much to be desired. However the translation I pointed out is what our Seventh-day Adventist leaders from Andrews University has pointed out about the text in some of the discussions and studies that the Seventh-day Adventist church has done in looking at the topic. Since this reflects comments from Seventh-day Adventist leaders who side on both sides of this issue, I thought it would be safe to share. I'm just the messenger.