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Here are some different translations of Genesis 6:4: In those days, giants lived on the earth and also afterward, when divine beings and human daughters had sexual relations and gave birth to children (CEB) The children of the supernatural beings who had married these women became famous heroes and warriors. They were called Nephilim and lived on the earth at that time and even later. (CEV) The ·Nephilim [L fallen ones; C the significance of the name is unclear] were on the earth in those days and also later. That was when the sons of God ·had sexual relations with [L came in to] the daughters of ·human beings [T man; C Hebrew: Adam; 1:27–28]. These women gave birth to children ·who became famous [L men of a name] and were the mighty warriors of long ago. [C The Nephilim of Num. 13:31–33, thouIn those days, and even later, there were giants on the earth who were descendants of human women and the heavenly beings.gh not related genealogically, were giants, suggesting these pre-flood Nephilim were also.] (EXB) In those days, and even later, there were giants on the earth who were descendants of human women and the heavenly beings. (GNT) The Nephilim were on the earth at that time (and also immediately afterward), when those divine beings were having sexual relations with those human women, who gave birth to children for them. (ISV) In those days, and even afterwards, when the evil beings from the spirit world were sexually involved with human women, their children became giants. (TLB) The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, as well as later, when the sons of Elohim slept with the daughters of other humans and had children by them. (NOG) Furthermore, scripture does NOT say angels CAN'T have sex; it says they DON'T have sex. " At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven." (Matt. 22:7) In fact, it doesn't even say angels don't have sex; it simply says they don't marry. It's easy to infer (I think correctly) that angels don't have sex because sex outside of marriage is unlawful. Just because beings DON'T do something doesn't mean they CAN'T. I DON'T use heroin; but that doesn't mean I CAN'T. All free-will beings (divine or human) CAN do whatever they choose. What is so outrageous about angels and humans procreating? Jesus - the Son of God is the result of a supernatural union between God and a human woman. I'm not saying that Jesus was the same as a Nephillim; but the chief Divine Being in the universe impregnated a human woman, who bore the "God-made man". Why is it so incredulous that angels couldn't do the same thing?

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Deeper Meaning of 9 Common Jewish Words Do you know the origins of these Jewish terms? http://www.aish.com/jw/s/Deeper-Meaning-of-9-Common-Jewish-Words.html?s=mm There’s a wealth of meaning behind some common Jewish words. Here are the origins and deeper meanings behind nine common Jewish terms. Test how many you know. Kvell Kvell is to swell up with pride, usually for one’s kids. This modern usage comes from the Yiddish word kveln, meaning to be delighted. Kveln entered Yiddish from German centuries ago: the Middle High German word quellen meant to gush up, to well, or to swell. Amen Amen comes from the Hebrew word emunah, meaning belief, faith, credible, authentic and true. The Talmud (Shavuot 36a) relates the two words; when we hear someone recite a blessing, saying Amen indicates that we too accept these words as true. Amen also has a deeper meaning: it is an acronym for the Hebrew phrase El Melech Ne’eman, which means “God, Faithful King”. Thus, Amen also functions as a declaration in its own right, expressing our belief in the Divine. Mensch These days, a mensch is a person of strength and honor. It comes from the Yiddish (and, before that, from the German) mensch, which literally means a man or a person. (This in term came from Old High German mennisco, meaning human, which came from Proto-German manniska, describing someone as human.) Yiddish went beyond the literal meaning of a person, however. Reflecting Jewish values, a mensch is a person in full, someone who fulfills his or her obligations and does what is right. Kosher Kosher literally means fit, proper and appropriate. The term “Kosher” can be applied to a range of items that are governed by Jewish law. Torah scrolls and mezuzahs are “kosher” when they are correctly written and maintained. Legal contracts and documents are “kosher” when they are appropriately designed and carried out, in accordance with Jewish law. Kosher food is that which the Torah permits for consumption by Jewish people. The rules of kosher food are found in the Bible in the books of Leviticus and Deuteronomy, and are expanded on in the Talmud. By observing these rules, Jews are able to bring holiness into all areas of their lives each time they cook and eat. Nachas Nachas is the pride and joy we get from our children. A common Jewish sentiment is “may you have nachas from your children”. Nachas comes from the Hebrew word nachat, meaning satisfaction and pleasure. (That in turn derives from the Hebrew lanuach, meaning to rest.) To derive nachas is also expressed in the Yiddish phrase to shep nachas. Shep comes from the Yiddish shepn, meaning scoop. Messiah Messiah comes from the Hebrew word moshiach, which literally means anointed with oil. In Biblical times, the title moshiach was given to people who had reached positions of leadership and greatness. The Kohen Gadol, who performed the Yom Kippur service in the Temple, was called the Kohen ha-Moshiach, or the anointed high priest, because he was literally anointed with oil when he took up his position. The title Moshiach is reserved for a future Jewish leader who will become king and begin a period of perfect peace. This Moshiach, or Messiah, will be a descendent of King David, and will restore the Davidic dynasty. Jewish tradition notes that he will be wiser even than King Solomon. It is said that in each generation, a potential Moshiach, or Messiah, is living. When the Jewish community finally reaches its potential and lives according to the timeless laws of the Torah, that leader will arise, ushering in an era of perfect peace. Jew The name “Jew” comes from the name of Jacob and Leah’s fourth son, Judah (Yehudah in Hebrew). The Torah notes that after Leah gave birth to Judah she “declared ‘this time let me gratefully praise God’, therefore she called his name Judah” (Genesis 29:35). According to the great Italian Jewish commentator Rabbi Ovadia Sforno, Judah’s name reflects intense holiness: it not only contains the letters of God’s name, it also contains the root of hodu, the Hebrew word for thanksgiving and praise. Before he died, Jacob blessed Judah with kingship: “The scepter shall not depart from Judah nor a scholar from among his descendants” (Genesis 49:10). Jacob’s prophecy was fulfilled: King David, from the tribe of Judah, eventually reigned over a united Israel. Following the death of King Solomon, the ancient kingdom of Israel split into two: the northern Kingdom of Israel, home to ten of the Jewish tribes, and the southern Kingdom of Judah, home to the tribes of Judah and Benjamin. The ancient Assyrian empire wiped out the northern Kingdom of Israel in the 5th Century BCE and exiled the ten tribes; only the tribes of Judah and Benjamin remained to carry on Jewish tradition. Over the years, “Judah” came to refer to any Jew, regardless of tribe or status. The first person to be called a “Jew” in the Torah is Mordechai, in Book of Esther, which describes the events of the holiday of Purim. The wording is curious: Mordechai seems to be called both a descendent of the tribe of Judah and a descendent of the tribe of Benjamin: “There was a man, a Jew (Yehudi) in Shushan the capital whose name was Mordechai….a Benjaminite” (Esther 2:5). The Talmud discusses this curious wording, concluding that Mordechai was indeed descended from the tribe of Benjamin. “Yet he was called a Yehudi (Judah-ite) because he rejected idolatry, and anyone who rejects idolatry is called a Yehudi” (Megillah 12b). Hebrew The word for Hebrew in Hebrew is Ivri. (In Hebrew, “b” and “v” sounds sometimes be expressed with similar letters; in the process of translation to English, the “v” became a “b”.) Ivri comes from the word “ever”, meaning the other side. The first person in the Torah to be called an Ivri, a Hebrew, is Abraham, after he and his wife Sarah entered the land of Israel. On a literal level, Abraham and Sarah indeed were “ivri”, or people who came from the other side: in their case, they came from the north, across the Euphrates River. On a deeper level, Abraham and Sarah were from “the other side” as well. The championed a belief in one God while the rest of the world indulged in idol-worship, and they lived lives of upright moral behavior amidst a sea of depravity. The second person in the Torah to be called an Ivri is Joseph, Abraham’s and Sarah’s great grandson, who found himself alone and isolated in Egypt, yet still lived by the moral code he’d inherited from his illustrious ancestors in Israel. After Joseph resists the advances of his master’s wife, the Torah refers to him as an Ivri. After 3,000 years, we, the descendants of Abraham and Sarah, remain Hebrews, people who continue to cling to our belief in God and the moral code of the Torah, even when that means standing apart. Mitzvah In modern parlance, mitzvah often is used to mean a good deed. Many of these mitzvot (the plural of mitzvah) instruct us to live good, moral lives, for instance by giving charity, visiting the sick, extending hospitality. Mitzvot do guide us to lead good lives. Yet the meaning of mitzvah goes much deeper It means commandments given to us by God. The word mitzvah is used 300 times in the Five Books of Moses. Jews are obligated in 613 mitzvot (the plural of mitzvah); Gentiles are obligated to perform Seven. In Jewish thought, actions profoundly affect our very being: what we do shapes who we are. By performing mitzvot we are aligning ourselves with the goals of the Divine. The word mitzvah is also related to the Aramaic word for join, tzevach. When we do mitzvot we are attaching ourselves to a greater good, elevating ourselves in the process.

AKA: No with the clinical help that I have available to me, I am not legally blind in either eye. Thankfully for that. The goal of my clinical care is to prevent me from going legally blind in any eye. Therefore, I am fully licensed to drive an automobile and I do so. The human brain is much more complex than we generally understand. In my case, it recognizes that the vision in one eye is distorted. Therefore, it blocks that eye from being viewed and allows what my good eye sees to be what is registered by my brain. I can shut my good eye. If I do so, my brain will allow the visual field from my bad eye to register. I will see, but a distorted image. The marvel in all of this in my thinking, Is what occurred in the surgery that took place on my one eye: 1) The purpose of the surgery was to detach a membrane that was one cell thick from my retina. Yes, I said one cell thick. 2) The nature of the surgery required that I be awake and able to talk to the surgeon during the surgery. I did so and I was able to view what was happening in that eye in a shadow form. IOW, I could actually see, in shadow form, the surgical instruments cutting the membrane free from my retina. 3) The surgical entry points were made into my eyeball with an 18 g. needle. In the first entry point, a tube was placed to evacuate the inner fluid in my eyeball. The second entry point was used to introduce an electric light so the surgeon could see what was happening inside my eyeball. The third entry point was used for the entry of the surgical instrument that severed the membrane from my retina. The surgeon viewed what was happening through a microscope that rested directly on my eye. 4) Following the surgery, my eyeball was filled with an artificial fluid. The fragments of the severed membrane remained in my eyeball. For a while I could see these fragments floating around within my eyeball. It took about a month for these to decay and be flushed out by the system built into the eye. So they eventually went away. 5) In addition, for a while, air bubbles remained inside my eye. After a month these had been removed by my natural eye process. But, I have fun for a while. By tilting my head I could change the placement of these bubbles. I would practice tilting my head in such a manner that I could attach the bubbles together so as to form a bubble snow person. So, how did the surgery go and was it successful? The curvature of my retina in that eye remains distorted. But, with the removal of the membrane, the growth was stopped and the change of the curvature of my retina was stopped. That was good. Surgery often has side effects. One of the side effects of that surgery, which occurred, was a growth of a cataract. Eleven months later I had to have a cataract removed from that eye. As a side effect of my cataract surgery scar tissue developed and I later had to have laser surgery to remove that scar tissue. The issues in my eyes that are currently under constant evaluation is macular degeneration in both eyes. This remains stable. It is not progressing. That is good.

Are the "daughters of men" in Gen 6:2-4 the women descendants of Cain, considered the unrighteous branch of Adam's descendants? To start with, let us read Gen 1:26, 27. KJV Genesis 1:26-27 26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. I’d like to point out that the word man in Gen 1:26, 27 is from the Hebrew ~d'a' (ADAM). This word occurs 585 times in a total of 555 verses in the OT. In the KJV, this Hebrew word was transliterated into “ADAM” 22 times in 20 verses of the OT. The following verse records what transpired when Cain (Hebrew !yIq; Qayin) was born: KJV Genesis 4:1 And ADAM knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. Note that the word man in this verse is from the Hebrew vyai ('iysh), and of course, ADAM is from ~d'a'. Here is another verse that used both these words: KJV Genesis 2:23 And ADAM said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man. In the above verse ADAM is from ~d'a', and Man is from vya ('iysh).. Of course, Woman is from hV'ai ('ishshah). Let’s now go to the verses in our study: KJV Genesis 6:1-4 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, 2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose. 3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. The words men in the verses above are from the same Hebrew word ~d'a' used in Gen 1:26, 27. It appears to me, that the daughters of men – from the same Hebrew word ADAM in Gen 1:26, 27- should naturally be the daughters that descended from the subject ADAM of Gen 1:26, 27, if one were to properly apply the principles of exegesis. That should, as a matter of course, include those that descended from Cain who likewise descended from ADAM. This I think is the better choice rather than make the daughters of men as applying to only those that descended from Cain to the exclusion of the daughters that descended from Seth. What more, I haven’t yet found any verse in Scriptures that links, directly or otherwise, the phrase “daughters of men” with only those that descended from Cain. On the other hand, the phrase “daughters of men” can be linked to the female descendants of Seth, as gleaned from the following verse: KJV Genesis 11:5 And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded. Exegesis dictates that in the phrase “children of men” in Gen 11:5 the word “men” should likewise refer to what was referred to by the same word “men” in the phrase “daughters of men” in Gen 6:1-4. Same Hebrew word, same book, same author. IOW, if the word “men” in Gen 11:5 refers to the descendants of Cain, then the word “men” in Gen 6:1-4 should also refer to the descendants of Cain. Gen 11:5 is about the story of the tower of Babel, after the Flood. We all know that only the children of Noah, a descendant of Seth, remained alive. All descendants of Cain perished in the flood. Hence, the “children of men” in Gen 11:5 denoting both “sons and daughters of men” can only refer to the descendants of Seth. It then follows that the “daughters of men” are those that descended from Seth, instead of from Cain. Therefore, IMHO, the phrase “daughters of men” in Gen 6:1-4 should refer to the female descendants of ADAM, and, naturally, should include both those that descended from Cain as well as from Seth.

I believe it refers to angels, specifically evil angels. How so? First, we will let the Bible be its own interpreter, in finding out from the sacred pages of the OT as to who does the phrase “sons of God” refer to. The phrase “sons of God” in the OT occurs 5 times in the KJV (Gen 6:2, 4; Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7) This phrase is from the Hebrew ~yhiêl{a/h' ynEåB.. (transliterated Bünê hä´élöhîm, or ben elohim, for simplicity). Job 1:6 & 2:1 tell us of a certain day when these “ben elohim” are to present themselves before the LORD. During that particular date with God, Satan was among them. It can be inferred that Satan is of the same level as these “sons of God” who presented themselves before the LORD. KJV Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. In verse 8, "And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?" Notice God's description of Job: none like him in the earth, perfect and upright man. If the phrase "ben elohim" refers to Seth's descendants which is claimed as the righteous line of Adam's descendants, then Job must be with those "ben elohim" who presented themselves before the LORD, since there is none in earth like him. But he was not with them. When God confronted Job, He asked him: Job 38:4-6 4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. 5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? 6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof? And then He told Job what transpired when the foundation of the earth was laid: KJV Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? The “sons of God” were already existent when the foundations of the earth were but being laid by the Creator PRIOR to the creation of man. Hence, the “sons of God” can not be humans and we are left with no other option but to conclude that they are angels. But why do I believe that the angels in Gen 6:1-4 are evil? It is because of the simple reason based on the words of Christ that angels in heaven do not marry. Matthew 22:30 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. Mark 12:25 25 For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. For me, it is highly possible, that the angels of Gen 6:1-4, being on earth instead of in heaven, are those who sided and were cast down to earth with Satan. Hence, evil angels. What more, their intermarrying with humans simply showed that indeed they are evil, because angels are not supposed to marry, as what I understand from the words of our Lord. The observation that angels do not marry because they have no sexual capability has no support of Scriptures. Most eunuchs don’t marry, but that doesn’t mean they are not capable of procreating. Potiphar, Joseph’s master in Egypt, was a eunuch, but he had a wife. See Gen 39: 7, 19, 20. In my first post relative to this issue, Scriptures were presented that negate the prevalent belief that Seth's descendants comprise the righteous branch of Adam's descendants. In those verses, God Himself pronounced that it was only Noah who God found righteous in His sight. Hence, the claim that "sons of God" refer to Seth's descendants can't hold water. In this post, Scriptures were presented where God Himself told Job that prior to creating Adam, there were already "ben elohim" who were shouting for joy. Hence, "ben elohim" or "sons of God" in the OT cannot possibly refer to humans. Therefore, the phrase "sons of God" in the OT can only refer to angels and those who intermarried with the "daughters of men" are evil angels.

Sorry, but I tried for many times to start a new thread in response to the post above-quoted lest I be misunderstood to be derailing or hijacking this thread, but to no avail. Hence, this post. Let me start by saying that in the Bible, there are at least three kinds of intelligent beings: men, angels, and Deities (God the Father, our Lord & Savior Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit). Compared to humans, angels excel in strength and power (Ps 103:20). Of course, both humans and angels were created by God. I pointed this out so that if the phrase “sons of God” as used in the OT is proven to be referring to humans, then they cannot refer to angels, or vice versa. In the context of Genesis 6, the intermarriage between the “sons of God” and the “daughters of men” seemed to have contributed greatly to the corruption of the earth prompting God to end the evils of that time. KJV Genesis 6:4-6 4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. 5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. Based on the foregoing verses, the timing of the intermarriage between the “sons of God” and the “daughters of men” was around the time when God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, proving that indeed the intermarriage did not provide a let up of corruption but instead contributed to its getting even worse. Let us now consider the scenario painted by the popular belief that the “sons of God” as referring to the male descendants of Seth and perceived to be righteous, effectively excluding the male descendants of Cain whose descendants, it is assumed, were corrupt. Here’s Angel Manuel Rodriguez of the BRI: But can it be shown from Scriptures that the subject “sons of God” in Gen 6:1-4 indeed compose the righteous branch of Adam’s descendants, that is, Seth’s family line? Let us try to dig a bit deeper into Scriptures. Antedeluvians have long life spans. Starting from Adam, we have Seth, Enos, Cainan, Mahalaleel, Jared, Enoch, Methuselah, Lamech, Noah. Adam was still alive until his great, great, great, great, great, great grandson Lamech was 56 years old. Seth was 744 years old when Lamech was born. Lamech was 168 years old when Seth died 14 years before Noah was born. Enos died when Noah was 84 years old. Cainan died when Noah was 179 years old. Mahalaleel died when Noah was 234 years old. Jared died when Noah was 366 years old. Enoch did not die. Methuselah died on the year of the Flood, outliving his son Lamech by 5 years. Lamech died 5 years before the Flood. From Adam to Lamech, the average life span was 907.5 years. This tells us that at the time just before the flood, people born 300 years before Noah, those born at most 70 years after Methuselah, were still alive! These include those who were supposed to have intermarried with the “daughters of men”, the “sons of God” who, proponents of “sons of God” = male descendants of Seth say, are righteous and who followed the Lord. But were they righteous in God’s sight? Here’s how Scriptures described the inhabitants: Genesis 6:7-12 7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them. 8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. 9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God. {perfect: or, upright} 10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth. 11 The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12 And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. We can easily deduce from the foregoing verses that all the earth was corrupt and that should include both Cain’s and Seth’s descendants, with one exception: NAS Genesis 7:1 Then the LORD said to Noah, "Enter the ark, you and all your household; for you alone I have seen to be righteous before Me in this time. The evidence of Scripture seems not to agree with the idea that the “sons of God” = Seth’s descendants and that they are righteous and are followers of the Lord. IMO, the position that the “sons of God” who intermarried with "daughters of men" are the male descendants of Seth is biblically untenable. So, to who does the phrase “sons of God” in Gen 6:1-4 refer to? My next post will address this issue.

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