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This is not a thread to talk about doctrinal issues. It is only a thread about our human condition, please keep it such. See: http://atoday.org/when-pastors-fall-who-helps-them-up/

Ellen, the existence of unexpressed alternate characteristics in genomes does necessarily prove conclusively that evolution is impossible. As I pointed out earlier, Natural Selection--which all evolutionists regard as the driving force in evolution--cannot operate to produce alternate characteristics that are not expressed. All variations in species are the result of alternate characteristics that already existed in the genome being switched on. This will be conclusively proven when gene mapping advances to the degree that we can identify the collie already existing in the wolf. But the thousands of years of successful animal and plant breeding suggests that this thesis is true. And Ellen, do you feel it would be proper to cross a cat with a dog, or a human with an ape? That is supposed to be impossible, but genetic engineering techniques, which include genetic surgery, have successfully combined genetic traits from one species (such as the ability to produce light in lightning bugs) with another (such as with tobacco plants). Thus tobacco plants that glow faintly in the dark have been created. Is this proper? Or would God prefer that such crosses not be perpetuated? It is worth noting that yeast have been modified with the human gene that produces human insulin--and this is what enables Type I diabetics to live. Diabetics used to rely on sheep insulin, but it is not exactly the same as human insulin, and diabetics would become immune to it and become no longer able to utilize it. The yeast-made human insulin has been used for 30 years. Millions of people would die without it. So is such genetic modification always bad?

Catholicism (even European Catholicism) is basically salvation by sacrament. And the 7 sacraments can only be administered by priests. Concerning transubstantiation: Jesus said, "It is finished." He does not need to be offered over and over. When we eat the bread we "show" our belief in what Christ did. Besides, how could any man create his Creator. Anciently pagans believed that the god whose image they were worshiping, actually came into that image, to be present with the worshiper. Transubstantiation is a version of this old belief.

Kosher Matzah came about because of the Orthodox, who wanted to make absolutely SURE that not a molecule of fermentation could come into contact with the mix before it was fired. We make our own "unleavened bread" for our Passover feast. It tastes good - sort of like a crunchy thin pizza crust. We are eating it all this week. We had five people over on Monday evening. We do the foot washing ceremony too. We feel it really sends the message that we were sent to serve, not to be served. We don't do the "full blown" seder, but we tell the story of the first Passover, and the story of "Christ our Passover", and we look forward to our final rescue/deliverance from this kingdom ruled by "Pharaoh", and we very much look forward to Passover with Christ in His Father's kingdom. Luke 22:15-16 "Then He said to them, 'With fervent desire I have desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer; for I say to you, I will no longer eat of it [Passover] until it is fulfilled in the kingdom of God.'" Matthew 26:27-29 "Then He took the cup [the 3rd cup of the Passover], and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, 'Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom." I think of Passover like I do the Sabbath. Why take 2000 years off - just to start keeping it again in the kingdom. One can celebrate the Feast without the sacrifice of a lamb. We divide men/women for the foot washing. The next day Sharon (age 72) called to tell me that her husband was so impressed when Klaus prayed for him, that he also prayed out loud. That was the first time in 43 years - that he had prayed out loud. Everyone there felt the presence of Christ with us. Passover is an awesome time.

JoMo said in the quote below: I agree that we should not use an EGW quote to prove a point. The Bible is our standard by which we should judge truth. However, I would not reject out of hand any spiritual/religious position that was not conclusively proven in the Bible. There are spiritual/religious positions that I take that are not essential to salvation and not conclusively proven in the Bible that I accept. While I could give a number of examples, I shall give one: In Matthew 27 Pilate asked the people to choose between Jesus and Barabbas. Based upon the meanings of the Hebrew word, I, in sermons, state that Barabbas was one of the false Messiahs that existed in that time. Well, the Bible does not directly state such and there is an argument that such was not true. But, I believe it and proclaim it. Regardless, this is clearly not central to faith and salvation.

Yes, the study of prophecy is a learning experience. So far, with the exception of a current future predication, every one of your dates has been wrong. I fail to see that you have learned anything from this experience. The key that should unlock this learning experience is the word: Eisegesis.

You have touched a point with me. I once spent a year working with an organization that provided clinical care to HIV infected people. Some were female. A few were not adults. Some were NOT homosexual. Some were of SDA background to include being SDA members. But, the majority were homosexual males. In this position, I would typically share a meal with them each week. Working closely with them changed my life, attitudes and understanding of issues related to HIV, homosexuality and more. * I got to know several homosexual SDA related people who were flamboyant in their homosexuality, but were living a celibate life. This is a choice that some people can make. * I got to know some homosexual SDAs who were appreciative of their congregations who were attempting to maintain contact with them. * As Freud once stated, human sexuality exists on a range. Normal heterosexuals in their lives and practices exist on a wide range. So also it is for homosexuals. One cannot place all homosexuals in the same box as to sexuality in their life and practice. * I came to understand the need of homosexuals for civil rights.

I infer here that Mrs. White was speaking of scripture, not her own writings. If I were an unbiased 3rd party, I would likely reject any testimony not based on the Bible. If I can't find verification in scripture, I won't use an EGW quote to try to prove a point.

aka: When you refer to the Quran, some of us appreciate it if you give the chapter and verse.

newsmax.com Americans Can't Enter Many Muslim-Majority Countries By Bethany Blankley With all of the misinformation and confusion about the temporary travel ban, Americans should keep in mind that there are over three dozen countries they cannot visit safely, or ever. Since January 15, 2016, the U.S. Department of State has issued 41 travel warnings to U.S. passport holders for 41 countries “due to an unpredictable security situation subject to rapid deterioration, activities of armed groups, and violent crime.” More than half are Islamic-controlled countries/territories: Afghanistan, Algeria, Bangladesh, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Jordan, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Libya, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Tunisia, Turkey, the West Bank/Gaza, and Yemen. If U.S. passport holders ignore these warnings, here’s what they can expect in just a few countries on the list: • Algeria: Even with a certificate of accommodation from Algerian authorities and an invitation from a registered travel agency in Algeria, non-immigrant visas are rarely issued and entry is rarely permitted. Safety is also unlikely. • Iran: No American can travel to Iran independently. Even if through the sponsor/invitation/visa process, U.S. citizens with valid visas are regularly refused entry at the border with no explanation. There is no U.S. Embassy in Iran. (Even the U.S. Navy was unsafe in international waters despite the U.S. State Department illegally transferring more than $4 billion to Iran.) • Libya: It’s nearly impossible to obtain a visa, but plausible if a Libyan sponsor applies for the traveler in Libya first. Still, they might be denied. Safety is also unlikely, as it was for U.S. citizens killed on September 12, 2012. • Saudi Arabia: Saudi Arabia issues no tourist visas. No one can enter Saudi Arabia without a sponsor, an official invitation, oversight of a particular licensed agency, and approved accompaniment and itinerary. Violating/overstaying visa terms results in incarceration and hefty fines. • Somalia is the second least visited country on earth for a reason. Even with a sponsor, invitation letter, and paid protection from pirates, entry without being kidnapped is unlikely. • Turkey: Turkey claims to be a free country to which anyone can travel but the American most recently arrested and detained indefinitely in prison is Wheaton College graduate and missionary, Pastor Andrew Brunson, falsely charged with “membership in an armed terrorist organization.” • The West Bank/Gaza: As Gaza is under control of Hamas, a terrorist organization, entry is prohibited. Even to Israeli citizens, travel is restricted in the West Bank in Bethlehem, Jericho, and Hebron. When it comes to Israeli passport holders, these 17 Muslim-majority countries have for years prohibited entry: Algeria, Bangladesh, Brunei, Indonesia (fluctuates), Iran, Iraq (except Iraqi Kurdistan), Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Malaysia (fluctuates), Oman, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, United Arab Emirates (can travel through but can’t be admitted), and Yemen. All non-Israeli passports holders — anyone who has traveled to Israel, or whose passports have a used or unused Israeli visa — are prohibited entry to Iran, Kuwait, Lebanon, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Syria, and Yemen. When it comes to religious or ideological views, consider how just one of these countries, America’s “greatest Gulf state ally,” Saudi Arabia, treats atheists, Christians, Jews, and non-Muslims seeking entry. Atheists: According to a recent law, atheism is a criminal act and is considered a “terrorist offense.” Entry to atheists would be denied, with few exceptions. Christians: On the rare occasion that a Christian is permitted entry, they are prohibited from discussing or displaying anything publicly related to their beliefs, including wearing a cross, worshipping in public, building a church, or even appearing to disparage or not follow Saudi customs. Doing so would lead to their arrest, imprisonment, and/or deportation, as would overstaying their visa. But they also could be arrested at any time for any perceived offense. Jews: Only recently were Jews temporarily permitted entry because of their U.S. diplomatic status. No Jew is permitted to do business with or in Saudi Arabia. All non-Muslims: Upon entry, all visa-holders must be chaperoned, all women must be escorted and covered, and all non-Muslims are prohibited from driving on certain roads and from going near or visiting Mecca. By contrast, people from all of the above countries are permitted entry into the United States in several capacities. Bethany Blankley is a former Capitol Hill communications strategist, Fox News Radio political analyst, public speaker, and commentator on Christianity and politics in America. Her commentary can be read in numerous publications. She won the 2017 Xulon Press Christian Writers Award. Follow her: @BethanyBlankley. http://www.newsmax.com/BethanyBlankley/trump-travel-ban-saudi-arabia-immigration/2017/02/10/id/773021/ © 2017 Newsmax. All rights reserved.

Having worked with Eithne during my time in Eire - I can say that I've never met a person with more love and drive for her Saviour than Eithne. She had such dedication to introduce Jesus to those in Ireland. DEATH OF EITHNE AMOS-NUNEZ We are sad to announce the death of Eithne Amos-Nunez on Tuesday, 6 March 2012 at her home in Florida where she had retired with her husband, Jaime Nunez. She served as a Literature Evangelist in Western Ireland 1977 - 1990. A person of great faith, drive and holy passion, her life work was to share Jesus with whoever she met. She worked in Ireland when the work in many areas was still in a pioneer stage. Responsible for introducing to Christ, Angela O'Brien, the Kirwen family, and the late Pastor Mike Logan and his wife Evelyn, her drive and success in sharing "The truth as it is in Jesus", to the people of Ireland and Northern Ireland has yet to be matched. Her specialty as a Literature Evangelist was in getting Uncle Arthur's Bible Stories into convents, libraries and schools, as well as into the homes of the rich and poor… all over the 'Emerald Isle'. Living often on limited finances, and at times requesting the Lord to literally give direction at a road junction to lead to customers and a sale, her life and work abounded in miracle after miracle as she describes in her book 'Miracles Galore', published by the Stanborough Press in 1997. There were hundreds of people who met Eithne who never became Seventh-day Adventists. But more likely than not, the books remain in the convents, libraries and schools. Who but the Lord knows of their continued influence. We extend our condolences and prayers to her husband Jaime, and to John and Monica McNamara. With them, we wait with hope for the final and lasting miracle Eithne will experience.

In previous posts, you have stated that we are saved as long as we overcome. If we are all born saved, and all of our sins were forgiven, what do I need to overcome? Why do I need to be "holy" and avoid sin if I was born saved?

Shayla (Gulf region) A long rectangular scarf popular in the Gulf region and becoming popular in North America. It wraps around the head and is tucked or pinned in place at the shoulders.