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  1. B/W Photodude

    Re: Migrants

    There is a terrible disease south of the border and many other places outside our borders. Many immigrants are bringing in TB and often it is multi-drug/extensively drug resistant (MDR-/XDR-TB).Diseases don't get a lot more nasty than TB. And we do not even vaccinate for it here in the US. There is a vaccine used in other countries with a success rate of about 80%. Problem with it is that once you are vaccinated, you can never get skin tested again as you will show up positive. Our hospitals are already overwhelmed. In some border cities with a population approx 33% illegal, where do you think they go for medical treatment? You got it, … the ER and then get admitted. And they do not pay because you can't get blood from a turnip. Hospitals and doctors often write off as much as 1/3 of their bills. But they must meet the bottom line, so now who pays? Citizens do. And if they own a home or are employed but have no insurance thanks to the previous regimes healthcare nightmare, your home will have liens put on it or your wages garnished, if you have any wages after being stuck in a less than 28 hr week job because your employer doesn't have to offer health care for part timers! It is interesting how hospitals calculate charges for their services.
    3 points
  2. 8thdaypriest

    Re: Migrants

    The migration is another "gold rush". The US economy is the "gold". Caravan migrants have been coached to plead asylum, to say they are in imminent danger from gang violence (whether or not such is true). For most such is NOT TRUE. To allow them entry, is to reward them for lying. Should we "help" the country of origin? If local, state, and fed governments cannot "solve" gang violence in large US cities, what makes us think we can "solve" gang violence in Honduras or El Salvador, to prevent more migration? Gang violence is NOT the primary problem. The desire for more money and a "better life" is the magnet. Awhile back, the US gov tried putting such migrants onto a large plane to be flown back to their country of origin in Central America. That country REFUSED to take them back. No surprise. Why overburden their own services (such as they are)? Mexico has refused to accept them. No surprise? So what to do with them?? Tell their countries of origin, "Take them back, or no aid from the USA". A bride to be sure, but cheaper than the amount we spend - through services etc. for the entered migrants. They KEY is to prevent further waves if illegal migrants. How do we do that?? Build the wall, and refuse ALL further migration - except that done through established legal channels. PERIOD That would send the message. Maybe then we could give legal status to those already here. To give them legal status BEFORE securing the border, flashes the message - EASY ENTRY - to all those wanting to enter. Those who cry, SYMPATHY - SYMPATHY - SYMPATHY, are not just soft hearted. They are soft headed. Allowing the migrants permanent entry HURTS more people - including children and youth - than it helps.
    1 point
  3. 8thdaypriest

    Re: Migrants

    WHAT IF there was a terrible disease South of the border, and immigrants would bring it into the USA? Would we THEN try to keep them out? Or test everyone entering, to make sure that person was not a carrier? If we let everyone in - seeking treatment - our hospital system would quickly be overwhelmed. I think most citizens and even people already immigrated without papers, would be in favor of closing the border TIGHT. So what type of problem (or types of problems) would justify limits on immigration? need for more money for welfare/food stamps, need for more social services, need for more teachers, need for more hospitals, need for more law enforcement officers, possible terrorists entering, competition for employment, overcrowding, overuse of resources, etc. etc. And what reasons would justify allowing more immigration? unlimited family unification, enrich our culture, rescue from violence or oppression, need for workers in certain industries, poverty in country of origin
    1 point
  4. 8thdaypriest

    Re: Migrants

    IF we keep them OUT: Tell the mother of 3, that the price of food will double or triple at the grocery store because crops must be picked and packaged by US citizens, who expect higher wages and more benefits. Everyone will need those lower taxes and higher wages just to pay for the things they already buy. IF we allow them to ENTER: Tell the mothers and grandmothers their kids will have to share their teachers with more kids. Tell them the class sizes will get larger. More teachers will be moved to special language classes. Tell them there will be more violence at the high-schools, because kids are gang members. Teachers will want higher wages just because they have to deal with all the chaos. School budgets only stretch so far. Property taxes will go up, which affects renters too. Middle class citizens will move to other cities or states, to escape the high taxes, poor schools, and gang violence. Hospitals will have to see more indigent patients, and free clinics will be crowded. They will compensate by raising prices for everyone who can pay for services. The Stats tell us that half of all immigrants enter with children . They immediately sign up for the Food Stamp program. Those already on Food Stamps will get less, because the program has to cover more and more people. Budgets only stretch so far. IF the "rich" give away all of their wealth, they will have nothing left with which to "serve" anyone. I'm just not sure that is what Jesus had in mind. The US cannot support every person who wants to come here. Will they assimilate - becoming productive members of US culture? If they do - they won't want their kids picking crops. Barely scrapes the surface of the problems.
    1 point
  5. 8thdaypriest

    Re: Migrants

    And "Native" American tribes (just means they were here before the Europeans got here) fought each other for territory and "spoils". Greed is not a character trait only of Europeans.
    1 point
  6. CoAspen

    Re: Migrants

    Isn't it ironic....a country formed by taking the lands away from the inhabitants, then goes on to wanting to build walls to keep out other 'illegals'! it merely confirms the old adage, "to the victors goes the spoils." Of course the 'settlers' of NA were not the first to use this method of taking what belonged to others, many nations were formed this way.
    1 point
  7. phkrause

    Re: Migrants

    I'd let them! The legal way, whatever that entails?? When I lived in California, there were many migrants, not sure if they were illegal or not, but they worked in the fields picking strawberry's, blueberry's, watermelons, etc., that Americans wouldn't do because it didn't pay enough!!!
    1 point
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