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The topic begins with the subject on the LBGT and I felt like reading, how the church folk view and treat them. At least, that’s my understanding! I feel why this is still a major problem with church-going folks has to do with Lev 20:13 and the word abomination. However, Israel was told that certain unclean animals were an abomination, putting children in the fire, and lying also was an abomination to YAHWEH! IsraEL was told how to deal with these problems but instruction included all sins or acts that were openly committed which also include adultery. Well we do not see anyone stoning any adulterer today, do we? Today we do not see those who commit adultery treated like we do the LBGT. The old saying anyone without sin cast the first stone! But let me be clear, I do not want an open adulterer, liar, child molester or an LBGT standing as a leader while openly sinning. Sin of any kind should never be an outward display. The problem with the LBGT that is even different from the adulterer is the society has given this particular sin a social and psychological excuse to sin! Society has made an excuse that this sin you are born with and it is acceptable. But the truths of the matter all are born in sin and shaped in iniquity. Each and every one of us has desires that we inherited from our parents on both side! We all seem to overlook this part of YAHWEH’S Command: “…visiting the iniquity of fathers on sons, on the third and on the fourth generation, to those that hate ME;” Ex 20:5 So that is my take on the topic and what I understood! Be bless everyone!

This is a very important question. My response is when they leave the realm of listening love and open discussion to using external control psychology and demands to push their views. When we discuss we can point out things. We can defer to other views and encourage people to study and to listen to the different possibilities. There are very, very important points. I will use some examples. I'll start with what I posted about the recent death of Desmond Ford. We all know in part and we prophecy in part. But we forget this. Desmond Ford was a good New Testament scholar for his time, and an outstanding scholar of reformation theology. He knew what Christian writers said about Paul. He knew that Christian writers said about other parts of the Bible. He did not know about the culture of ancient Canaan except for something that may have casually been mentioned by a Christian writer. He never read the Baal myths. He did not know about Egyptian history and culture. He only knew the Bible as interpreted by a Christian context. He stood up at PUC and said "There is no day-year principle in the Bible. " and everyone blindly accepted this claim. I have a sneaking idea that if I was there that day that I could have walked over to the PUC library and have found on the book shelf a little book "Before Philosophy" by Henri Frankfort and others 1946 University of Chicago Press. a book that proves that statement of Desmond Ford's as wrong. Again Ford did not read that book nor other books in this field. There would have been a big difference between saying "From what I have studied I do not see and understand the day-year theory, but I will defer this to those who have studied the Old Testament and the ancient near east for what they know and find." and announcing "There is no year-day principle in the Bible." And like with the people at this church. Elder Wilkinson, who wrote the book on the King James Only, his education was in modern language. Not ancient languages, not in Biblical studies. His theology came from his mentor Elder Washburn, but even then it was more of a casual learning instead of s serious study. I do not like that they call themselves "Historical Adventists". They are ONE version of historical Adventists. I believe that my theological heroes such as A. G. Daniels, W. W. Prescott, Willie White, G. E. Fifield, Lynn H. Wood, were just as much deserving the title of Historic Adventists as the Washburn/Wilkinson camp. But they all know different parts of the truth.I feel comfortable allowing the different voices their say and our evaluation. I feel uncomfortable when They all see things and don't see things. They all know in part and prophecy in part. I'm upset when representatives of the part tries to be the total and want to force their view on the rest of us. An additional concern I have about the views of this church in Texas. I have read many letters between Mrs. White or Willie and the pastors who developed and taught the views that were being taught in this church. The Whites complained that despite their massive quoting of her writings, that they did not understand her message. The White's complained that they were using her writings to force their views on to the people and the White's protested what they were doing and told them they were wrong. How are we going to deal with what Mrs. White and Willie told them? Are we going to do as some of their followers did in the early 1900s and say that Mrs. White no longer believes that she is a prophet and that she has apostatized and that we should stop reading Mrs. White directly (especially what she wrote since 1888) and only read Mrs. White as quoted by people like Elder Washburn? If Mrs. White said that this view was wrong 115 years ago, what makes them right now?

The article noted that the conference did it by persuading the outgoing treasurer into surreptitiously sending the churches funds to them. As I read it, the board was unaware until after the fact. I am a little aware of church finances as I am my churches treasurer. I recently had to stop my pastor from having me transfer funds (you can't do that!) without bringing it up to the board first. He tends to be a little bit autocratic and treats the church as his property!

This also happened to a church plant in my conference. Admittedly, that church had departed considerably from the denominational model, and by denominational standards, and the denomination pulled the pastor's credentials and confiscated all the funds the church had in the Conference account. While I can arguably justify the denomination pulling the church's and pastor's credentials, I cannot justify them confiscating all of that church's financial assets.

Despite being the father of lies, Satan ultimately does not usually cause blatant lies but he likes to divide the truth in approximately half and use it against the rest of the truth. People tend to be attracted to either the one side or the other and Satan is willing to accommodate them and make them comfortable. As Jesus said the truth is straight and narrow, and few people like the straight and narrow, they are so comfortable in one ditch or the other. I do have to apologize for not pointing out that my big issue with both Ford and many of the people who believe what you described this group as teaching tend to be quite dogmatic in their heresies demanding the rest of the church to follow suit, which is unscrupulous to take money from the church to have that spirit of grabbing the rest of us by the button hole and making the demands whether it's against the Investigative Judgment like Ford did, or the points of this church. I would have a much different opinion of both groups if they would be less dogmatic but were to have a spirit of "I know that Adventism has different views and I will share my understanding but study and listen to our collective understanding of Seventh-day Adventism. Follow what you understand, have listening love for the others. While there will be things different pastors say that you would like, let's not form into major political parties. We should be only a political party of two, you and Jesus.

What else is new.? Soros is behind many of the left-wing conspiracies in the world. Many have opined that he is funding the mass migration from Central America to the U.S. in an attempt to stack voters against Republicans and for Dems in the upcoming 2020 election.

I do not think it good to just say this pastor was the other extreme. True, he was a KJV person, but that is a minor thing. The WO crowd are likely to be upset, but that was the will of the representative body of the church. As far as the Last Generation issue goes, in my studies I have concluded that this theology is in keeping with EGW, mamy of the other pioneers of the SDA church, and the Bible. The theology just has a name applied. So, pray tell exactly what is at variance with the Bible in the theology of the Last Generation? Given that this pastor in Texas was into retirement years, and his salary was in part being paid by the local church and apparently he was liked enough to for them to keep him on as pastor, so no he should not have been removed without good cause and you haven't supplied one other than to accuse him of being the opposite of Ford, which may have been a very good thing. The church was not built by the conference. It was built by the sacrifice of the local church. And the local church funds were also given thru sacrifice by the local church. For the conference to raid the funds and close down the building leaving many with no place to go was not right. And it certainly was not good to those new to the church who now will leave and not come back. Satan won on this one. In every way I have seen this was an evil act by this conference. And I see no reason to change my earlier statement - "someday "members" of the Seventh-day Adventist would become among the most aggressive persecutors of God's people."

LGBTQQAA, sin is simply the particular sin of those effected by those desires - at the end of the day God looks at those sexual sins no differently than sins within the heterosexual camp. The biggest issue we face as sinners is justifying that our OWN SIN ISN'T THAT BAD because WE THINK it's less of an offensive / damming sin than the other persons -which couldn't be further from the truth.

I'm in agreement with your post B/W!! I also, though, think that JoeMo's post was a fair thought on the article!! What I didn't hear from the article, although I could be wrong, is as Jesus said to Mary after forgiving her, "go and sin no more!" I have no problem with showing kindness and love towards sinners, but I do have a problem with saying that certain sins are OK because that's the way we were born, etc.!!!! God's law is not stricter for some and less strict for others!! It's the same law each one is under!!