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The only kind of "sacrifice" we offer up today would be detailed in Romans 12:1 We are to be a "LIVING" sacrifice....quite different from the Temple sacrifice, also Christ is risen and He is our LIVING sacrifice. Its important to understand it this way. Because, as "Ron is saying God's Word is true," then Romans 12:1 is TRUE

I note from the article referenced in the OP of this topic: The general idea in this article would suggest that Romans 12:1 regarding presenting our bdies as a :living Sacrifice" would preclude any ideas about "being attached to assumptions." When I commented on Rom 12:1 there was NO "assumption" at all, because I didn't comment on it in any sort of whole-picture context for that verse. By saying that the OT Temple "sacrifices" were and are different than the text from Romans has no such thing as an assumption in it. I simply stated what the Bible does. They ARE two different things. Your attempts at eisegetic philosophies are a complete distortion of scripture. Do you, yourself even do half of aall those "sacrifices" from the OT Temple? If not, why tell others they should? Its not making sense at all, to me. While I can appreciate your stated desire to not "disregard" anything in God's Word, it does not follow that that means we have to do everything He said back then. Your quote from Acts 23:11 is totally out of context. It doesnt even belong in this topic. The context of those OT sacrifices is plainly declared: For every high priest is appointed to offer both gifts and sacrifices. Therefore it is necessary that this One also have something to offer. For if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer the gifts according to the law; who serve the copy and shadow of the heavenly things, as Moses was divinely instructed when he was about to make the tabernacle. For He said, "SEE THAT YOU MAKE ALL THINGS ACCORDING TO THE PATTERN SHOWN YOU ON THE MOUNTAIN." But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. (Heb 8:3-6) The OP article was intended as a specific reply to a specific point, and not intended as an all-inclusive statement. That "more excellent ministry" means just what it says. Its in the Bible, it's NOT my opinion. The OT ministry and covenant are not needed now because of the "better covenant" of scripture.

Sacrifices "forever". That would mean animal blood sacrifices will continue in the Kingdom of Messiah, and on into the New Earth, and on into eternity. I cannot believe the LORD wants His priests to continue killing animals "forever". The "last enemy" to be destroyed is "death". If there is "no more death", there can be no death of animals either. If there is ANY POINT where the system of animal sacrifices comes to an END, then the prophecy of "forever" was a "false promise" to the Levites ?? I don't agree. The word translated as "forever" did not always mean "for eternity". As for "throughout your generations". This could refer to "generations" of priests, rather than generations of Aaronic descendants. If no man of Aaronic DNA can be "consecrated" as a priest (maybe because some element of that consecration is missing), then the "generations" of priests has come to an end. Just another way to understand the LORD's prophecy. The priesthood was "changed". If the nature of the sacrifices was also "changed" - from prophetic sacrifices, to THE REAL "forever" sacrifice, then it makes sense that Christ will continue "forever" and His "sacrifice" will be celebrated "forever".

It depends on how you are determining what "is needed", and for what purpose it might be "needed". Did Jesus "need" to be baptized? John the baptist was called by God and was arguably the foremost authority on baptism at that time. When Jesus arrived to be baptized by John, John tried to prevent it. (Matt. 3:14) Apparently human assumptions about what is "needed" are not reliable. If we just go by what is recorded in Scripture regarding animal sacrifices, we have several very clear commands from God himself instructing the Levitical priests to offer the animal sacrifices "forever" and "throughout your generations". That is many magnitudes higher than what you have asserted doesn't exist -- something "to suggest" that animal sacrifices should be offered after the sacrifice of Messiah. No Bible passage has been presented on this forum that would even begin to convince a Levitical priest to stop obeying God's clear instructions to offer animal sacrifices throughout the time period that God himself specified for animal sacrifices. If there were a Scriptural case for no longer offering animal sacrifices, that case would be much more convincing if people acknowledged what is plainly written in Scripture regarding the instructions that God gave about animal sacrifices, and if they also acknowledged that near the end of Paul's public ministry, the author of most of the key Bible texts that supposedly teach against the continuation of animal sacrifices went up to the Temple intending to offer animal sacrifices many years after the resurrection of Jesus. The lack of such acknowledgement might indicate that such people are in denial regarding Scripture rather than wanting to understand the Scriptures. If there was no "need" for animal sacrifices, why did Paul start a vow in Acts 18 that later required an animal sacrifice at the Temple?

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Have you ever noticed, my friend, that Jesus also says "in My Father's House are "MANY MANSIONS:" and He never really said just how many! Truly, I have seen such useless quibbling about that number; and all I have concluded so far is the numbers are FUDG-ED by many agenda driven dogmas. Jesus said I go to prepare a place for YOU and He didnt make it conditional that he could only do it for you IF He could fit you into THAT, into "THE number...(prescribed) for us, and NOT by Jesus. Jesus doesnt care about 'the 144000 with you in it; He just cares that you be there, in one of those rooms. IncidentALLY; Jesus never promised one of those "many mansions/rooms for anyone in the 144,000! lol Id rather have my own "room, (Jesus calls it "many mansions") AND thats why I eagerly await the return of OUR Lord (Oh Yes Mr Rogers, that was my "good boy" comment) Seems to me there is another verse, with a BIGGER number in it that 144,00!! LOL. See Rev 7:9 THAT seems a little higher than "144,000"

Jesus was in that Temple sometimes, other times no. But when He was there; he drove out the "money-changers" selling "sacrifices" which no one has to "buy" today. When Jesus was in that Temple; He always preached, often from Isaiah. There is nothing to suggest another Sacrifice is needed besides that of Jesus now.

Israel's sacrifice IS "perpetual". Israel's Sacrifice is Christ. We also present ourselves as "sacrifices". We also offer praise and thanksgiving and works of service as "sacrifices". When we are baptized, we are presenting ourselves wholly to God, as an Israelite would have presented a "whole burnt offering".

No Wanderer, I do not believe "the Temple of God" in this prophecy, refers to the Vatican (except perhaps as an alternative, or secondary). The popes did control the church for 1200 years. I believe THE Temple will be rebuilt on the Mount at Jerusalem before the end of this age. I know that EGW said that "old Jerusalem will never be built up" but I do not believe in her as an infallible prophet of God. I think she got that one wrong. Under the Law of Sinai, Israel was commanded to build a Tabernacle, and to consecrate the Aaronic priesthood. That's how we got off into sacrifices. The command in Deuteronomy said the people were to bring sacrifices only to "the place where the LORD chooses to put His name", to the Aaronic priests. That "place" was Mount Zion, where Solomon was instructed of God to build Him a House. Ron is arguing for a continuation of the blood sacrifices.

Billions n Billions will be there! Experiencing God's love for me has expanded from what man can not number (Rev 7:9) to.. a look at the Hubble Telescope (Gen 22:17) at just a sliver of the black sky! And our country homes/estates can be as large as counties! A world without seas can hold it And numerous Great Lakes can hold tons of aquatic life. God is infinite in love and housing capabilities.

I think that such talk is one reason why Christians are sometimes considered to be fools.