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The Bible said that YAHSHUA has sheep in other folds. Sometime SDA are becoming lie the Pharisees. We need to pray for one another. We all sin and we all need to pray more individually for ourselves. There is a lot of sin and the Bible said THE HOLY SPIRIT is slowly leaving many of us. I just pray that HE will clean me up! Blessings!

Let, me be clear about sin, it is not politics. When you are making this statement: "These are not for voyeuristic perusal, but to note the decline of spirituality in the church. Morals seems to be in freefall in the in the Western World and probably in the whole world, and in the divisions listed morality would also match the world in freefall." All the things I quoted had to do with morals, adultery, idolatry, hate, killing, lying, blasphemy all are immoral sins that you break when you the Moral Law of YAHWEH! Dancing, rap and rock music is not breaking the Moral Law here in the Western world. What side of the bed I got up on is the right side. Just pointing out the truth! Blessings!

It is amazing to me with all of the corruption that is going on in the WH and let me be clear! The person had cheated on each of his wives, mess around with playboy bunnies and porography, cusses worst then a sailor, lies, cover up tells on live tv he can kill someone on 5th avenue and people will still follow him. Now if that is not breaking the Commandments please, kindly explain to me how that is not possible? Then we now are talking about children dancing or giving a lesson through exercising and health shows Daniel crew outbeat the Babylonians and that's breaking YAHWEH'S Law? Why because you don't like rap or rock music. Please show me in the Bible where it is a sin to listen to rap or rock music. It is not the music it the words! I heard no cussing, no dissing nothing but encouragement. So making a joyful noise is not in the Bible? David did not dance before YAHWEH? The morning stars did not sang and the children of YAHWEH did not clap their hands? We get chewed out, stamped on and the Republicans are now also crying out there is going to be a civil war because folks choose not to vote (more like worship), the man in the Whitehouse! He has rock music at his rally and their words spue out hate! Remember; "Root also says that Jews “love him like he is the second coming of God.” Now, I ask is this not blasphemy and also against the Commandments! You know there are songs that are called sacred but the words proves they are not! Here an example of some: Ave Maria! I have heard many SDA sing this song in the church. This song; "Hail Mary, full of grace, / Mary, full of grace, / Mary, full of grace, / Hail, Hail, the Lord. / The Lord is with thee. / Blessed art thou among women, and blessed, / Blessed is the fruit of thy womb, / Thy womb, Jesus. / Hail Mary! Hail Mary, Mother of God, / Pray for us sinners, / Pray, pray for us; / Pray, pray for us sinners, / Now and at the hour of our death, / The hour of our death / The hour of our death, / The hour of our death / Hail Mary." The next is: In the Cross; "In the cross, in the cross, be my glory ever;till my raptured soul shall find rest beyond the river." Blessed assurance; Perfect submission, perfect delight, Visions of rapture now burst on my sight; Angels descending, bring from above! Echoes of mercy, whispers of love. It sad that we don't read the Bible to prove all things. The Bible says mourned for a child to be born in this wicked word and rejoice when one dies. We do the opposite! 2 Sam 12:19-23; Job 3:22; Jer 22:10 Finally, it time to call sin by it right name and those who do it! Yet, now EGW is used though she is not here today! She warned us to pray for one another and to see how we are quick to make claims on others that are not Bible base. While we allow and justified those before our eyes to break YAHWEH'S Commandments out in the open. I am tired of it and I will speak out against it! No longer will I keep silent trying to keep the peace! I cannot believe that people will want a civil war. But I am a Biblical historian and history repeats itself! I know it most likely will take place and some, on this forum I pray will stand for justice and truth when the time comes! Here are the Bible on dance: Thou hast turned for me my mourning into dancing: thou hast put off my sackcloth and girded me with gladness. To the end that my honour may sing praise to thee, and not be silent. O Yahweh my Elohim, I will give thanks unto thee for ever. To the chief Musician. Psa 30:11, 12 Praise Yah! Sing unto Yahweh a new song, and his praise in the congregation of saints. Let Israel rejoice in him that made him: the children of Zion be joyful in their King. Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him with the timbrel and harp. Psa 149:1-3 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; Eccl 3:4 Again, I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry. Jer 31:4 If you are not a rap or a rock fan that's ok neither am I! But, I love what those children did with Daniel and Babylon also the children with the rap dance! I don't exclude that kind of music; if they are used in a correct manner, but we need to watch out what we listen to, and pray for each other. Time is short and soon YAHSHUA will come, how shall you stand in that great day! Blessings and Happy Sabbath!

I have posted several links to articles regarding questionable practices occurring in the NAD, EUR, and SPD divisions of the church. These are not for voyeuristic perusal, but to note the decline of spirituality in the church. Morals seems to be in freefall in the in the Western World and probably in the whole world, and in the divisions listed morality would also match the world in freefall. When Children Dance Sensually in the Church for Jesus http://adventmessenger.org/when-children-dance-sensually-in-the-church-for-jesus/ Florida Hospital Adventist Church Makes a Mockery of the Bible During their Children’s Program http://adventmessenger.org/florida-adventist-hospital-church-makes-a-mockery-of-the-bible-during-their-childrens-program/ Here is one worldly example of the decline of religious influence in life. 80 per cent decline in religious funerals as mourners opt for golf courses and zoos over churches https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/08/28/80-per-cent-decline-religious-funerals-mourners-opt-golf-courses/ Eight-years-ago 67 per cent of people requested traditional religious services and just 12 per cent were non-religious. However by 2018, just 13 per cent wanted a religious funeral. So, with this condition existing in the church it has to be much worse than even when Sister Ellen penned the following words more than one hundred years ago: The facts are before us. The burden bearers among us are dropping off into the silent grave. The active members of the church, the true workers in all reforms, are mostly past the meridian of life, and are declining in physical and mental strength. We should anxiously contemplate who are to rise up and fill their places. To whom are to be committed the vital interests of the church? The question may be asked by us with the deepest concern, Who will bear the responsibilities of the cause of God when a few more standard-bearers fall? We can but look anxiously upon the youth of today as those who must take these burdens, and upon whom responsibilities must fall. They must take the work where others leave it; and their course will determine whether morality, religion, and vital godliness shall prevail, or whether immorality and infidelity shall corrupt and blight all that is valuable. It is the way the standard is carried now that will determine the future. 5T128 Given the vote at the General Conference which showed that in other divisions around the world, the church was largely against the ordination of women. This has infuriated many brighter and more progressive members of the NAD, EUR, and SPD divisions of the church. It has been my opinion that this is even an example of racism in the church where the NAD, EUR, and SPD divisions of the church are just not going to stand for anyone else telling them how to run the church, especially from third world countries. However, thru much of the rest of the world, church members seem to be living much like the early Adventist church lived. The way I see it, I have to agree that the defenders of our faith are not even from the NAD, EUR, and SPD divisions of the church. Seems like Africa is one place to look for those seriously looking to be ready for the coming of Jesus. Seventh-day Adventists in Third-world Countries are the New Defenders of the Faith http://adventmessenger.org/seventh-day-adventists-in-third-world-countries-are-the-new-defenders-of-the-faith/ Seventh-day Adventists in the United States, Canada, Europe and Australia, commonly known as “developed nations” are no longer carrying the torch – it has been passed on to what is commonly referred to as the “third world countries” or “developing nations.” This growth in the number of Christians has been noted throughout Christendom: Christianity Booming, Atheism Declining around the World, Report Says https://www.christianheadlines.com/contributors/michael-foust/christianity-booming-atheism-declining-around-the-world-report-says.html Much of Christianity’s growth is due to its surge in other continents. Africa (119 million) and Asia (160 million) each have more Christians than North America (100 million). Lessons We Must Learn from the Church in Africa http://adventmessenger.org/what-we-must-learn-from-the-church-in-africa/ It truly is a blessing to see these orphan kids reciting the Three Angels’ Message, the 10 Commandments, the 8 Laws of Heath, Biblical passages and singing sacred music all from memory. Pastor Benson and his wife are doing a wonderful job with these children! Those who live in the last days should be circumspect in words and acts. Sobriety is more in accordance with our faith than levity. Those who realize the solemnity of the times in which we live will be among the number who bear about with them a weight of solemn influence. MS11, 1868 Considering the Sister Ellen statement quoted (5T128), seems the young people who are ready to take up the burdens are from places like Africa. Too bad about the American kids who are being led down the wrong paths. This is concerning that this situation exists because to me it suggests that the close of probations is rapidly approaching and I believe the vast majority of the church in the NAD, EUR, and SPD divisions of the church are asleep and will wake up too late.

Actually, they did not portray themselves that way, just came out that way in the title by an American.

HEY ALL Today NOV 3 2019 the day Daylight savings time ends=====so if you have not change the time on your clocks you need to do it today====that I fall back so you need to set the time on your clocks back 1 hour dgrimm60

Rachel: Lucifer in Hebrew is actually morning star: The morning star: - lucifer. Strong Hebrew Dictionary However it is used for all the angels which also found in Job 37:8 Lucifer was created and he was the highest cherub, then Gabriel who took his place. Stars symbolizes angels in the Bible in certain places. The City Tyre of the Phonecians at one time like all the Canaanite worshiped THE MOST HIGH! As I have stated before the Hebrews adopted an Afrikan language created by the Phonecians. They were so proud that YAHWEH related to them to Lucifer so Ezekiel told how Lucifer was created perfect but became sinful. So in these Text of Scriptures you see how he rule this nation like all nations of the earth except those who followed YAHWEH! Praise ye HIM, all HIS angels: praise ye HIM, all HIS hosts. Praise HIM, ye heavens of Heavens, and ye waters that be above the heavens. Let them praise THE NAME of YAHWEH: for HE Commanded, and they were created. Psa 148:2, 4, 5 Son of man take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the SOVEREIGN YAHWEH; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the Garden of ELOHIYM; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the Holy Mountain of ELOHIYM; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the Mountain of ELOHIYM: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffic; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more. Eze 28:12-19 Oh other angels fell with him and he gives them orders. Rev 13: 2 provides this as well. Now, I pray and hope I have answered your questions! Blessings!

Kevin: I wish we would stop saying we are going to hell. Hell means grave and we all supposed to know that! Matter of fact the Bible says death and hell will burn up also. So how is anything going to hell? I urge, you, let us say things correctly in order to witness and teach the Good News! Blessings!

a lot of times I would agree with this, but in all fairness, this is not 'the spirit" in which B/W has posted the OP. Your post seems to be talking more about the "Hooey Doctrine."

Ha ha, I think you may be right here. :) I would never ascribe some sort of superiority of one church over the next; except to say that Christ and His Church have friends of whom very little is known. We need to make room for them; but we won't because they 'are not one of us." The Unknown Friends Of Christ And His Church

I do agree with this, for sure. its everywhere.

This makes me dizzy with grief. I mean, really, how many different definitions of these are there? Are you saying that the "gospel of salvation" has nothing to do with "social justice?" Its what Jesus LIVED for!

I would say this about any church; there are "lessons" to be learned in almost all of them. if I am in a given church that may be, for example, dancing and prancing, and gyrating the hips, Ill just sit and read my Bible or one of the many spiritual books on my phone. The caveat being that I have not been in a church like that for years. I guess I am saying I have learned to not get too worked up over things...I will however be the first one to walk out of the sanctuary when someone meets "certain qualifications," and I also have no guilt over that. The "lesson" I seem to learn in situations like that are simply for my own personal/spiritual growth. Its an amazing sense of grace & power to be able to choose how we will respond. (no, I didnt say I do that all the time).

It has been suggested on another forum that Dan Jackson has informed the NAD Year End Meeting today that he will be retiring by next summer. http://www.fulcrum7.com/blog/2019/11/1/grace-versus-meekness [Editor Note: Dan Jackson announced today at the NAD Year-End Meeting that he will retire this summer]. (Still looking for an independent confirmation.

✨ a perpetual covenant Jer 50:5 They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the LORD in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten.

Someone got up on the wrong side of the bed this morning! NOTHING in the original post had ANYTHING to with politics. But I hope you feel better now!

5 Things You Probably Didn't Know About Harry Truman On November 2, 1948, Harry Truman defeated Thomas Dewey in one of the greatest surprise upsets in the history of U.S. presidential elections. Here are 5 surprising facts you probably didn't know about Harry S. Truman, our 33rd president.... Truman Didn’t Have a Middle Name Harry S. Truman was born to John Anderson Truman and his wife, Martha Ellen Truman, on May 8, 1884. The couple had trouble deciding on their new son’s middle name. They ended up choosing the letter “S.” This was a compromise between Solomon, Truman’s grandfather on his mother’s side and Shipp, which was the middle name of his paternal grandfather. Officially, the “S” is followed by a period: “Harry S. Truman.” That’s because Truman used a period with the letter “S” in his correspondence. The Truman Library & Museum offers a detailed explanation of the “S” controversy. He Learned of the Atomic Bomb Only Minutes After Being Sworn In Truman began serving as president 82 days after the start of Franklin Roosevelt’s fourth term when FDR suddenly died, and the new president knew little about the plans to end the war. Just moments after Truman’s swearing-in ceremony, Henry Stimson, the Secretary of War, drew him aside to tell him of the atomic bomb project. About four months after this, Truman ordered that atomic bombs be dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Truman Survived an Assassination Attempt On November 1, 1950, two Puerto Rican pro-independence activists tried to assassinate President Truman at the Blair House in Washington, where he was living while the White House was under renovation. Truman was unharmed, although a police officer and one of the would-be assassins were killed. The Minimum Wage Close to Doubled Under Truman A big shift in the 1950 economy was seen when Truman almost doubled the minimum wage through his Fair Deal program. The minimum wage went from 40 cents an hour up to 75 cents, which was an 87.5 percent increase. Some economists reported that this increase in wages lowered the unemployment rate in 1949, which was 6.6 percent, down to 2.7 percent by the end of 1952. His Grandson Portrayed Him in a Play For a 2017 run in Give 'Em Hell, Harry!, a play about Truman staged in Wilmington, North Carolina, the lead role went to someone who knew a little about the man—his grandson, Clifton Daniel. A part-time actor and the honorary chairman of the Truman Library Institute in Kansas City, Missouri, Daniel learned his relative's vocal inflections by listening to old recordings.