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Job 38:4 "Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth? Tell me, if you possess understanding! 5 Who set its measurements– if you know– or who stretched a measuring line across it? 6 On what were its bases set, or who laid its cornerstone– 7 when the morning stars sang in chorus, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? (NET) In this text "all the sons of God shouted for joy" when the earth was created. In that context, it's hard to imagine they were human beings - unless God has other planets or dimensions with human beings. Seems more likely they were some order of angelic being. Satan may have been one of them - originally. Psalm 11:4 The LORD is in his holy temple; the LORD's throne is in heaven. (NET) Isaiah 66:1 This is what the LORD says: "Heaven is my throne, (NIV) Matthew 5:34 "But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God's throne; (NKJ) The following was spoken by Micaiah the prophet to Ahab: 1 Kings 22:19 "And Micaiah said, "Therefore, hear the word of the LORD. I saw the LORD sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by Him on His right and on His left. 20 "And the LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab to go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?' And one said this while another said that. 21 "Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.' 22 "And the LORD said to him, 'How?' And he said, 'I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' Then He said, 'You are to entice him and also prevail. Go and do so.'" The picture is of a Council Meeting in Heaven, before God's throne. The spirit that came forward and offered to "be a deceiving spirit" would be Satan - "the deceiver". He comes right into that meeting. Hasn't been cast out of Heaven - yet. I see the picture in Job 1:6-7, as a council meeting in Heaven before God's throne. The Son of God was/is "commander of the armies of the LORD", so I personally wonder if "the LORD" in Job 1:6 was God's pre-incarnate Son. Anyway. I see Satan joining that meeting as the representative of earth, because he had dominion. Adam and Eve had rebelled against God, and Satan had taken over. The LORD is countering Satan's right of complete and total dominion, by pointing to Job "a blameless and upright man" who "fears God and shuns evil". Satan then counters that Job is (in essence) bribed to do so. Job gets all those blessings and protection from God. So the LORD counters with the offer to remove those protections - except for one. Satan may not actually kill Job. It is a picture of Satan vs Christ, except for the death. Christ leaves "heaven" and the protection of His Father, and adoration of angels. Then Christ goes through all the troubles and temptations and rejections. Then (without His Father's protection) He is physically tortured while being mentally tormented by all the forces of Hell. And He dies under the torture - much to Satan's surprise and disappointment - without sinning once. Christ wins. When was Satan cast out of Heaven, and no longer allowed to enter the Heavenly courts? Personally, I believe it was AFTER Christ was glorified following His resurrection. Revelation 12:9 "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him." (KJV) Revelation 12:10 "And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night." (KJV) Revelation 12:13 "And when the dragon saw that he was thrown down to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male child." (NAS) Here Satan is persecuting God's Israel, after he is "cast down to the earth". Sounds like this happens BEFORE the Second Coming, but AFTER Christ's victory at the cross. This leaves open the scenario that Satan could have entered the Court of Heaven up to that time.

Rabbi Felder went to his shul office on Monday morning and discovered a dead mule in the parking lot. He called the police. Since there did not appear to be any foul play, the police referred the rabbi to the health department. They said since there was no health threat that he should call the sanitation department. The sanitation manager said he could not pick up the mule without authorization from the mayor. Now Rabbi Felder knew the mayor and was not too eager to call him. The mayor had a bad temper and was generally hard to deal with, but the rabbi called him anyway. The mayor did not disappoint. He immediately began to rant and rave at the rabbi and finally said, "Why did you call me anyway? Isn't it your job to bury the dead?" Rabbi Felder paused for a moment and said, "Yes, Mayor, it is my job to bury the dead, but I always like to notify the next of kin first!"

Moishe asked his wife Miriam what she'd like for her birthday. "I'd love to be six again," Miriam replied. On the morning of Miriam's birthday, Moishe got her up bright and early and off they went to a local theme park. What a day! Moishe put Miriam on every ride in the park: the Death Slide, the Screaming Loop, the Wall of Fear, everything there was. Wow! Five hours later she staggered out of the theme park – Miriam's head reeling and her stomach upside down. Right to a burger joint they went, where Moishe ordered Miriam a burger and fries. Then it was off to a movie – the latest Star Wars epic, and hot dogs and popcorn. What a fabulous adventure! Finally Miriam wobbled home with Moishe and collapsed into bed. Moishe leaned over and lovingly asked, "Well, Miriam, what was it like being six again?" One eye opened. "You schnook, I meant my dress size."

An employee of the Maid of the Mist in Niagara Falls was trying to recruit a few more tourists to join their tour when he approached one fellow who was admiring the falls. "Where are you from?" the employee asked. "Israel," responded the man. "I bet you don't have anything like this in Israel," said the employee. "No, but my cousin Itzik is a plumber in Rishon LeTzion. He could fix this."

I think it was Satan's murder of the Son of God that finally turned every unfallen being against him. Satan was fully "unmasked" (I believe) by his treatment of God's innocent/righteous Son. It's part of God's way of dealing with his sentient created beings. God does not just execute judgments that His created beings have no understanding of, or agreement with. He brings them to the point of agreeing with His judgments. I believe it will be the same with His final judgment of "the dead". That is what the final review of the records is for - to get "closure" for the saved, concerning those human beings who have not been made immortal.

GREGORY like RODYWOOFS( Pam ) have said some of the topics are not that interesting to me and some are just trying to provoke ===but I do post as much as I can ddgrimm60

Members who aren't signed in will show up as unidentified viewers. I often look in without signing in. The reason I don't sign in is that most of the threads are not interesting or relevant to me. Frankly, I'm abysmally apathetic to most of the recent theological threads (and "theology" is what most of the threads are about). The majority are b-o-r-i-n-g, and elicit nothing but yawns and/or disgust from me. For example, I honestly don't care about tearing down the meanings in the original Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic, or how many wings poke out on the backs of some mythical beasts in Revelation. The "Women's ordination" topic is less now about preaching the Gospel, and more like "I Don't Care WHO Is Called, As Long As It's A Female" — that's annoying, and reeks of reverse discrimination, imho. Some of the other topics are also just as smelly as an old fish (Isn't it about time to let go of the 3ABN Albatross?). And I'm really tired of seeing comments where someone feels offended and wants apologies up and down the ying yang. For heavens sake, people.... get a grip and pull up your big girl or big boy pants. This is a forum — not a nursery for snowflakes who want to be offended at every turn of the proverbial wheel. Good Honk. Where's Mrs. Gray when you need her?!

? witness of God 1John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.

https://atoday.org/a-simple-solution-to-the-problem-of-womens-ordination-part-1/

I had meant to return to this some time ago, but kept getting side-tracked. I have studied this text of John 9:4 quite a bit in the past, as I enjoy study of Bible prophecy. This specific text has always been of special interest to me, for several reasons. I would have to go with PKs assessment here of the text. There is nothing that I know of to suggest that John 9:4 is a specific time prophecy. A period of time," perhaps, but no specific dates are given. I have always enjoyed the "light and dark" contrasts drawn in scripture. Many important lessons for us there. Just two verses after John 9:4, Jesus says "I am the Light of the world," and the contrast between light and dark is again set before us with startling accuracy. I don't see any specific application of this verse to an "eighth millenium," anywhere. I have looked a fair bit, and I just dont see it. To me, "light" and "dark" are used in Scripture to denote "truth" and "error." One part of the prophecy in Mat 24 tells us that Jesus will come "at midnight," and this could have some possible connections to John 9:4. Both Old & New Testament reflect on the fact that when Jesus returns again, the earth will be covered with darkness, but there will still be a "light that shines in a dark place." (2 Pet 1:19). In fact, even Job even says: "by His Light I walked through darkness." Job 29:3). The Psalmist also said: ""even the night shall be light about me..." (Psalms 139:11). Amos was a little more forthright when he stated: "Shall not the day of the LORD be darkness, and not light? even very dark, and no brightness in it?" (Amos 5:20) Certainly, this is much closer to the ideas touched upon in John 9:4. Amos does make it sound like "a night when no one can work." IDT that anyone really needs to know about any specific periods of time or dates, in order to understand the concept of John 9:4. Isa gives us a very clear picture of what this "night when no man can work" will actually look like in work clothes: "For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the LORD shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee." (Isa 60:2) 2 Pet 1:19 tells us that "night" is the darkness of error, and "light" (of Bible prophecy) "shines in a dark place...(again comparing with "night"

5 Things You Probably Didn't Know About Rosa Parks_2 On December 1, 1955, Rosa Parks was jailed for refusing to give up her seat on a public bus to a white man, a violation of the city’s racial segregation laws. Here are 5 things you probably didn’t know about Rosa Parks… Parks Wasn’t The First Black Woman To Refuse To Give Up Her Seat Pioneer activist Claudette Colvin was only 15 years old in 1955 when she made the news after she was removed from a bus in Montgomery, Alabama when she refused to give her seat up. Because Colvin was expecting a baby, and the father was married to someone else, the NAACP didn’t think they could get enough support to start a movement at that time. This happened nine months before Rosa Parks made national news after being arrested for the same thing. Parks Did Not Refuse To Give Up Her Seat Because Her Feet Were Tired In her autobiography, Parks debunked the myth that she refused to vacate her seat because she was tired after a long day at work. “I was not tired physically,” she wrote, “or no more tired than I usually was at the end of a working day. I was not old, although some people have an image of me as being old then. I was forty-two. No, the only tired I was, was tired of giving in.” Parks Was Not Sitting in a “Whites-Only” Section of The Bus Parks was sitting in the front row of a middle section of the bus open to African Americans if seats were vacant. After the “whites-only” section filled on subsequent stops and a white man was left standing, the driver demanded that Parks and three others in the row leave their seats. While the other three eventually moved, Parks did not. Her Rent Was Paid by Little Caesars' Founder for Years At the age of 81, Parks was beaten and robbed of $50 in her Detroit apartment and needed to move to a safer location. Mike Ilitch, the founder of the pizza chain Little Caesars and owner of the Detroit Tigers and Redwings, heard about it and offered to pay her rent from then on. She lived in her new apartment until she died in 2005 at age 92. Parks Holds a Special Honor at the U.S. Capitol Lying in state is a special honor that is given to few Americans and usually, only to a person who served in a high public office. Only four U.S. citizens from private life have been honored in this way, and Rosa Parks is the only woman to have had this honor. More than 30,000 people filed past her coffin to pay their respects.