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Joe, I hurt when you think it is about a point of view. It is about what something actually means in the Bible. You nor I can change that! Remember we are to believe the truth. Many want to keep Sunday because their ancestors did. Their ancestor probably didn't know the truth and lived up to all they knew. So that person cannot blame their salvation on their ancestors. What truly makes me frustrated is the translation which cause so much confusion. Trying to understand the diversity of modern cultures is difficult enough. Hebrew is an African language and it must be understood in that language, grammer, syntax, meaning and so forth. We cannot bank on English words they have two many shades of meaning. That is why it is so hard for people of different countries who become American citizens have a hard time understanding it. I was born here and I have a hard time! I pray that you hang in there the truth will alway prevail and you will see! With much respect and blessings!

It helps to give all the context such as the second lone quote which comes from Revelation. Actually John writes the devil shall be loosed a little while, not a millennium. Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Revelation 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. You will notice that the righteous who are resurrected live and reign with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were over. Nothing in all of this chapter makes any kind of reference to a "second chance." Not going to happen. One of the problems is that no one can come to God except by the influence of the Holy Spirit. I do not believe the Holy Spirit will be anymore calling those of the resurrection of damnation. Jesus at the close of probation will declare that the filthy will remain filthy. And in John, Jesus clear states there is two resurrections - one to life and one to damnation. John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. People often object to the idea that those who never heard of the gospel will be part of the second resurrection and have no chance at salvation. For those who read their Bibles, it is clear that God will judge some by what they should have known by "invisible things" of God's power. You can read this in Romans 1:20. Also, some who will not be saved also will not be resurrected to damnation. This is clearly written by Sister Ellen (for those who accept her writings) that some will be as they never were, but those who kept them from a knowledge of God will be responsible for their sins. Conclusion: Only two resurrections and there will be no saving of those raised to damnation.

Pam, it does not take an expert on linguistics and semantics. The Strong Dictionary is a Bible Dictionary. Also, Biblehub.com uses a lexicon which like the Strong and American English Dictionary breaks words down to their meaning. I never heard anyone question an American English Dictionary, that I had to learn in elementary how to use. I think that is how we learn our semantics. I still struggle with it today. If one needs to know what something mean don't you think it would be wise to find the actual meaning? We use the Bible to learn how to travel to Heaven! Satan has thrown many false words that has become so common in the Bible. Now, I ask you why does the Bible continually say seek understanding? How do you propose we do that? Blessings!

No, my friend, I did not leave out a verse. The search query I entered was "sons of God," a little more specific to the item of discussion. IOW, I think that "son of God" in the verse you cited, is different than "sons of God" which we were discussing re the book of Job.

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? His own blood ? Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

not by all — and I think some of us have a bit more insight than supposed "experts" on linguistics and semantics.

You prove that yourself, that's what make this statement unbelievable, so I thank you! And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them, Gen 6:1 Now the verse plainly begins with the multiplication of daughters were born by them. Then Bible said very clearly; And YAHWEH said, MY SPIRIT shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years. Gen 6:3 Are we not all of us rational and intelligent individuals? Now, why would HE not say strive with the angels and man? If these were angels YAHWEH would permit such an unaccountable thing and not explicitly only charge the flesh beings in the act without charging the angels? The same angels mind you that had war in Heaven and lost. THE CREATORS would just let this most unusual incident just go and a flood could destroy the superhumans? Now, this reminds me of the Greek god Zeus who was having sex with earthly women and oh yeah produce Apollo, Hercules and other superhumans. Seem like these superbeings are hanging around now right? If water can killed thes whatever mix with angels, why not do the same thing instead of fire? So, this one Text states these were angels can you show me where? YAHWEH just let this incident goes and YAHSHUA says were are going act like the day of Noah, how is that if they are mix with angels? We must going to have angels doing again today right? Let's take a look at the word giants in Gen 6: The Hebrew word is "nephı̂yl nephil," so this mean enormously tall beings, let say like the Greek version of giants? Strange that is not what Strong Hebrew Dictionary states at all! He states that this word means: properly, a feller, that is, a bully or tyrant. Now why would the KJV scholar use the English word giant is clear how they thought and believed: 1300, "fabulous man-like creature of enormous size," from Old French geant, earlier jaiant "giant, ogre" (12c.), from Vulgar Latin *gagantem (nominative gagas), from Latin gigas "a giant," from Greek Gigas (usually in plural, Gigantes), one of a race of divine but savage and monstrous beings (personifying destructive natural forces), sons of Gaia and Uranus, eventually destroyed by the gods. The word is of unknown origin, probably from a pre-Greek language. Derivation from gegenes "earth-born" is considered untenable. It replaced Old English ent, eoten, also gigant (from Latin). The Greek word was used in Septuagint to refer to men of great size and strength, hence the expanded use in modern languages. . . Etymology Dictionary No reference at all from the Bible and I also check with biblehub.com and strangely the NAS Exhaustive Concordance states: From naphal -Definition: "giants," name of two peoples, one before the flood and one after the flood. So, the word giants are name of two peoples before and after the flood, really! That's a definition?? Well the actual Hebrew word; "râphâ' râphâh," that is use for giant/giants, and means person of height were many tribes of the Canaanites. Some of the Canaanite were bullies or tyrants. And the Hebrew word "nephil," is use about these tall people. The verse Num 13:32 clearly states they were people of great size. Now, these were the other eight spies claiming that Israel to them were like locust, the actual word that should have been used. Meaning because of their height "râphâ' and their mind set, "nephil," they were highly conceited people. Caleb and Joshua felt they could take these high mind sons of Anak. The word "nephil," is only mention here and in Gen 6:4. The Bible even mentions the length and size of the bed of the tall Canaanites using the correct Hebrew word "râphâ.' Keep in mind that Goliath was a "râphâ', also but the Philistines came from Mizraim, Canaan's second older brother! Gen 10:13,14 That is so true because Adam was created from the beginning as the son of ELOHIYM! We certainly agree! And that was predestined from the very beginning and through reconciliation by YAHSHUA, we are brought back into the family of beings created as again as sons and daughters of THE MOST HIGH. So, Adam was a son meant Seth was a son, mean Enos was a son, which meant Cainan was a son, which Maleleel was a son, Jared was a son, which Enoch was a son and Methuselah was a son, Lamech was a son, Noah was a son and Shem, Ham, and Japheth were sons of THE MOST HIGH! If you notice the Scriptures in Genesis states this: This is the book of the genealogy of Aḏam. In the day that ELOHIYM created the Adams, made in the likeness of ELOHIYM; Male and female HE created them, and HE Blessed them, and called their name ‘Aḏam’ in the day they were created. And Aḏam lived one hundred and thirty years, and brought forth a son in his own likeness, after his image, and called his name Shĕth. Gen 5:1-3 Scriptures 98+ Cain, nor his descendants were mention in the generations of righteous Adam. Here is the true reason why: And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon THE NAME of YAHWEH. Gen 4:26 These sons of Adam who were sons of YAHWEH begin to call on THE MOST HIGH. Where Cain's descendants were not sons of YAHWEH, nor the did they have true RESEMBLANCE or LIKENESS of YAHWEH like Seth did. So, I thankful for Luke that I forgot, which shows that THE HOLY SPIRIT used Blessed Man to bring out the Scripture of truth more clearly! That is how HE works. Truth will not come back void! I am sorry Joe that is not how the Hebrew Text and grammar provides it at all. You are right we can again on what I stated earlier. Matter of fact you brought it out so well with predestination, reconcile, and adoption! Again it is THE HOLY SPIRIT that will bring out the truth using HIS own instruments. Showing that YAHWEH'S WORDS WILL NOT COME BACK VOID! You know, I notice that you all become so hostile when stating your point, why? Truth is a humbling matter not an angry and becoming all upset. I also told you all that YAHWEH made it very clear; For unto which of the angels said HE at any time, Thou art MY SON, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him A FATHER, and he shall be to ME a son? Heb 1:5 Well, those are the words that straight from the Bible. It is sad, when the Bible states clearly, not to add or subtract from the Bible. There are no Greek and Europeans mythology in the Bible and it is on record where all this comes from. You cannot mix fairy tales with the Bible, they do not mix. Can I personally make any of you believe the above facts? No, I can't, but I will stand on the Word of THE MOST HIGH! I can present it and you all aided me yourselves. It is up to you to either believe the true Hebrews words and their meanings, or take the KJV translators of the Middle Ages. That's your choice and again, I have made mine. I am not here to win a prize or a debate, I am here to present the truth according to the actual Hebrew and Greek words and meanings of the Bible. I can only ask one thing all of all sincere people, who like me want to be saved. Pray and allow THE HOLY SPIRIT to lead you! I have nothing to gain but only my soul and that my friends is my only concern and nothing else! Pray for me as I pray for you as well! May YAHWEH bless you, may HE shine HIS FACE upon you and give you peace! Happy Sabbath

5 Things You Didn't Probably Know About Pearl Harbor_2 In the early morning hours of December 7, 1941, Japan launched a surprise military attack on the United States naval base at Pearl Harbor in Hawaii. To mark the anniversary of that event, here are five things you probably didn't know about Pearl Harbor.... The Japanese Bombers Were Originally Mistaken for U.S. Aircraft Radar operators at Pearl Harbor were expecting a group of U.S. aircraft to fly into the area on December 7, so they weren't particularly alarmed to see two groups flying toward the base that morning. Because they assumed that the groups on radar were U.S. planes, the operators didn't issue any warnings. That turned out to be a huge mistake as those groups on radar were the Japanese planes that attacked Pearl Harbor. The USS Arizona Still Leaks Fuel The day before the attacks, the USS Arizona took on a full load of fuel, nearly 1.5 million gallons. Much of that fuel helped ignite the explosion and subsequent fires that destroyed the ship, but shockingly, some fuel continues to seep out of the wreckage. The Arizona continues to spill up to 9 quarts of oil into the harbor each day. Most of The Ships That Were Sunk Were Resurrected Nine battleships were sunk in the bombing attack. Fortunately, since the ships were docked and therefore sank in shallow water, the navy was able to raise seven of them. In fact, the navy was able not only to resurrect the ships, but also to repair them so they could be used during World War II. Only the USS Arizona and the USS Utah were irrecoverable. Veterans of The Attack Can be Laid to Rest at Pearl Harbor Survivors of Pearl Harbor have the option to join their lost comrades and make Pearl Harbor their final resting place. Crew members who served on board the USS Arizona during the attack may choose to have their ashes deposited by divers beneath one of the sunken Arizona’s gun turrets. Roughly 30 Arizona survivors have chosen this option. Other military survivors can choose to have their ashes scattered wherever their ship was located during the attacks. Hawaii Was Put Into Martial Law After Pearl Harbor For Three Years After the Pearl Harbor attack, Hawaii spent three years under Martial Law. The military forced a curfew onto Hawaiians at night, forcing everyone to be indoors with their electricity completely off, and anyone who was outside after hours would face arrest or possibly even shot. Residents were also forced to build bomb shelters and barbed wire fences and have an identification card. Alcohol of any kind was banned–as was taking any photographs–and food was rationed. The military also confiscated the tourist-laden hotels on the beaches of Waikiki.Hawaii was a territory at the time, so the military’s treatment of Hawaiians after Pearl Harbor helped set forth the initiative for Hawaii to become a state.

I would like to propose a definition of someone who is "converted: IF a person, ANY person, no matter the "orientation" has THIS kind of hope, they are "converted." One, quick example; when Jesus said to Peter "when you are converted..." what was Peter like then? Did he have THIS hope? (HINT) this post will likely have its highest value if applied only to yourself

I once preached a sermon about this poem! I still have it somewhere. Will have to dig it out.

Thank you. It does my heart good to know God has reached someone else through me. Do you have any idea how I would do that? [Yes I do, see my post below with information as to how to contact Spectrum--GM.}

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. Despite triumphant challenges to "show me one text that says beings other than the angels or Christ are called the sons of God" there are Biblical viewpoints which would certainly challenge this idea. One, initial suggestion here would simply be a question: "why would it be so important to "prove" as fact that "sons of God" MUST mean either "angels or Christ?" Would that be because of a Biblical statement that actually says that, or would it be better to relate it to just the context of the passage in the book of Job where it talks about "the sons of God?" Our answer to this could make quite a difference. For this post, let us simply consider a brief survey on all of the verses that mention "sons of God..." Sons of God. The LXX translates the phrase, (from Job 1:6) as “angels of God;” BUT is that actually a 100% beyond any doubt FACT; if we just consider Job 1:6 apart from the intended context? Looking at Job 1:6 however, we can likely safely conclude that the phrase "before The Lord" does not indicate to us exactly where this might have been, so there is no easy way to decide where this took place. Some say "it had to be in heaven," but there are other possibilities. I personally don't see why it would be super-important to decide that said "sons of God" were angels, or humans. The texts above, 6-11 seem to open up other considerations. "NOW are we the sons of God," from 1 John 3:2 certainly tells a different story. WE are NOW sons [and daughters] of God. I disagree with the SDABC note on this which insists that Job 1:6 and similar texts are ONLY talking about angels. It suggests, on the basis of Col 1:15 that Angels, like humans, are created; and that is true. No argument there. So now we arrive at my question from above: "why do we need to prove that its only talking about "angels" and Satan? What Biblical doctrine, or truth, do we need to see it that way for? What difference would it make if I tried to say that "sons [and daughters] of God" means human beings? Would THAT opinion take away from any Biblical truths? If we look at Strong's #H1121, which is whats used in Job 1:6 or Job 2:1, we see that that word is more used in the various contexts describing human beings. It could mean "son," or "daughter," or even in the figural sense such as "nation." The Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew Definitions makes this very interesting: BDB Definition: 1) son, grandson, child, member of a group 1a) son, male child 1b) grandson 1c) children (plural - male and female) 1d) youth, young men (plural) 1e) young (of animals) 1f) sons (as characterisation, i.e. sons of injustice [for unrighteous men] or sons of God [for angels]) 1g) people (of a nation) (plural) 1h) of lifeless things, i.e. sparks, stars, arrows (figuratively) 1i) a member of a guild, order, class Aside from a relatively unsupported interpretation in the LXX defining the word "sons" as "angel," I don't see a lot of support contextually, or textually for insisting it must mean ONLY angels and Satan. If we look at the first 5 verses of Job, chapter one, it is talking about Jobs 7 sons and three daughters, so why on earth would it suddenly for verse 6 switch context over to "angels" like that? It would certainly fit if we called Job's sons and daughters "children" [sons & daughters] of God, and that when they presented to God, the devil was right there trying to usurp. It really doesn't make sense to me to insist that it suddenly switched over to "angels" with Satan alongside them; for when he does his work as "accuser of the brethren" there can be no doubt that this commonly happens to us, in addition to, or besides, with angels.

? Faithful and True ? Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

We all are free to believe what we want Joe. However, is it in the Bible that does not lie? So let look at what you are providing shall we? Even though it is your humble opinion does it matches the Bible? The Scriptures Romans 8:15, 23; 9:4; Gal. 4:5; you gave is about being in bondage under sin and by YAHSHUA'S death we are now adopted. What does that mean? Adoption (uihothesia)From a presumed compound of G5207 and a derivative of G5087; the placing as a son. . . Strong Greek Dictionary Here is the problem if you check out the concept it is the Greek and Latin thought of adoption and again not YAHWEH'S I can prove it with the word predestinat and reconcile : Predestinate: Something that's predestinate has been planned or arranged already — there's no way to change its outcome. (this part is false and flesh beings concept) Vocabulary.com Reconcile (apokatallassō): Directly from Latin reconcilare "to bring together again; regain; win over again. Strong Greek Dictionary And, having made peace through THE BLOOD of HIS stake, by HIM to reconcile all things unto HIMSELF; by HIM, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in Heaven. Col 1:20 We just don't see that we try to bring YAHSHUA, THE FATHER, THE HOLY SPIRIT and the Holy angels to our level of thinking. We are all different subcultures of people and say and use words that suits us but are not of THE MOST HIGH! Languages and culture changes because many have change their faith and belief in THE MOST HIGH! We all tried to rationalize the Bible in our own language and culture and loses the concept that was originally giving to us. I stated very clearly; "Because we were sons and daughters of YAHWEH before we sin and after." So we take a word like predestination that the KJV used that Strongs Greek defines it to mean limit in advance, that is, (figuratively) predetermine: - determine before, ordain. Were we not predetermined to be created in THEIR IMAGE and to be THEIR sons and daughter or not? The Bible said yes! Because we were planned! THEY knows the beginning and the ending, so they knew before creating us; the Adams would sin! Yet, THEY planned and Created us anyway! Because we must be created to have free will! THEY Created free will beings to love them on their own and not by force. They also had a planned a redemption plan. The Adams fell but could be reconciled by only ONE of THE ALMIGHTIES in order to return being a part of the family again. The adoption was not like the Greek or the Latin that we accept today. The adoption according to the Bible is to win over or to bring them back. The only way was for THE SON to die to return flesh beings from a 6 back to a 7, being perfect and now returning to be part of the families of unfallen worlds. Be again sons and daughters before they fail. The incredible sadness of this story, many chose to lose their souls regardless! That did not stop THE FATHER because many will choose to be save, out of love and pure faith. It is not about our opinions; it is about the Bible. We can allow ourselves to be caught up into flesh being's theology which is confusing and diverse. YAHWEH IS THE SAME Today, Yesterday and Tomorrow. HE DOES NOT CHANGE! We have and believe the culture of the ancient past that we still accept today. I do not have an opinion; I have the Bible and it shows clearly the straight and narrow path we must take to make it in. We do not create but yet we think we know but don't. The Bible points very clear how angels are spirit beings and we are flesh beings. It shows all through the Scriptures and in the name of Lucifer himself that he was the morning star. YAHSHUA is THE BRIGHT AND MORNING STAR! I cannot make anyone believe the truth, only that person willingness to be humble and allow THE HOLY SPIRIT to lead them. Never THE FATHER SAID have HE ever call angel a son, but have with created beings from all fallen worlds and us! THE FATHER SAID angels are ministering spirits. I believe it and if you don't that is not opinion that is a choice! We choose to obey and to understand the Word or we don't. The outcome of our soul is on each individual and that is all that needs to be said! Blessings and Happy Sabbath!

5 Things You Didn't Know About The Washington Monument_2 On December 6, 1884, in Washington, D.C., workers place a nine-inch aluminum pyramid atop a tower of white marble, completing the construction the Washington Monument. Here are 5 things you didn't know about this structure built as a tribute to George Washington... The Monument Was Planned Before George Washington Was Elected The Continental Congress approved the erection of a statue to honor Washington in 1783 in the nation’s capital, which had not yet been built. When Washington was elected as president, he rejected the memorial plans because of a shortage of government funds. The plan did not go ahead until 1833 when the Washington National Monument Society, headed by the Chief Justice, John Marshall, was formed to raise funds privately. The Original Plan for the Monument Was Completely Different Robert Mills won a design contest for the monument, which was to include a pantheon that featured statues of heroes of the Revolutionary War, signers of the Declaration of Independence, and stone columns. At the main entrance there was supposed to be a statue depicting Washington in a chariot drawn by horses, and in the center there would be a 600-foot-tall Egyptian obelisk. Various problems caused the project to be put on hold until after the Civil War. Funding was authorized by President U.S. Grant, but tastes for such an ambitious monument had changed and only the obelisk was built. A Navy Vet Threatened to Blow It Up Norman Mayer, a veteran of the Navy, threatened to set off 1,000 pounds of dynamite and blow up the Washington Monument after he drove his vehicle up to its base on December 8, 1982. Tourists found themselves trapped inside, buildings had to be evacuated, and streets were closed. Following a standoff of 10 hours, Mayer tried to leave but was shot dead by police. It was soon discovered that the van contained no explosives. The Washington Monument Was Damaged by an Earthquake in 2011 A 5.8 magnitude earthquake close to Mineral, Virginia, damaged the Washington Monument, causing some mortar to come loose and creating cracks in the obelisk. Fortunately, no one inside the building was injured, however. It was closed for 2 1/2 years to be repaired, which cost around $15 million. While the extensive repair work took place, the obelisk was shrouded in a blue mesh, which covered the enormous scaffolding system that was needed to do the repairs. The Monument Was Briefly the World's Tallest Man-made Structure It was a brief but glorious reign of five years when the 555-foot height of the monument made it the world's tallest man-made structure. For four of those years—1884-1888—the monument was closed to the public; it was only between 1888 and 1889 that tourists could visit Washington D.C. and say they'd been to the tallest building in the world. (The Eiffel Tower took over that title in 1889.)