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Nicene Creed: The official teachings of the SDA Church agree with what is popularly known as the Nicene Creed.

The reason I asked is because I have had the most of it memorized for some time now, and as soon as I saw your post; I recognized something was missing from it. It would seem that this is a consistent event with your posts when you "quote," and bold with colorful letters. Your post supposedly containing The NICENE Creed is not complete my friend.

ALL Christians were part of the Catholic Church for the 1st 1000 years. What the Church affirmed is easy to confirm by reading the Councils of the Catholic Church. In Approximately 1054 there was a split between the east and west - the east became known as the Orthodox Church and the wast retained the name Catholic. The Orthodox Church claims that the Catholic Church departed from the One True Faith - the Catholic Church basically says the Orthodox Church departed. Below is a link to a scathing letter sent to Pope Francis. You could subtract the beefs the Orthodox Church has with Catholic and where east and west agree start drawing up a list of Doctrines that are distinctive to Catholics. http://orthodoxinfo.com/ecumenism/epistle-to-pope-francis.pdf

I have been trying to ask you about RCC "distinctive" doctrines; however, thanks for this. While one could agree, in principle with this part of your statement, it is attached to a well-known adhominem. TBC

Yes.

I know I'm the odd man out here and can't offer an internal view of this question. I can however offer an outsiders view. The "DISTINCTIVE" beliefs of the SDA Church were more akin to a non Christian sect than to a Christian one. Militant anti-Trinitarianism. Instead of admitting error (like Miller did) the early SDA's said they got the timing right but the event wrong. Publicly rebuked Christians for rejecting the definite time message of Miller. A logical conclusion from an outsider would be IF the early SDA's exercised the type of scholarship and Bible study methods that had them concluding the Trinity was false there is more than a good chance there were other "distinctive" doctrines they thought up that were well enough off the mark to be also considered non Christian or at the minimum not Salvic. It seems in the article that Gregory posted the author is simply saying it would be a good idea to re-think how the church reaches out to other people of different faiths in an attempt to attract them to the SDA Church. This doesn't seem to be a bad idea.

IF its a christian doctrine, there would be no such thing of one without "having Jesus." There are some that definitely do not "have Jesus" and are expressly not Christian, no matter how many Bible verses are quoted.

this is just apologetic nonsense. Nothing personal but I asked a pretty simple question.

Pope Summons World Leaders To Rome MAY 2020, "Year of The Bible" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5PyhWeTYBm4

This article of the OP was kind of sad, as many articles on Spectrum are. It seems so many just want to tear down the Seventh-day Adventist church and it's historical beliefs whether thru questioning doctrines or just revising history. Online publications have a number of flaws from those on the liberal side who are busy trying to dismantle the old teachings or even on the conservative side where they may hold the doctrines correctly, but often the love of Jesus for the people seems absent. This is not really a new phenomenon for God's church in whatever age you look at. Even Jeremiah wrote of this, "Thus says the LORD: “Stand by the roads, and look, and ask for the old paths, where the good way is; and walk in it, and find rest for your souls.” But they said, “We will not walk in it.” (Jer. 6:16). Later he wrote, "But this command I gave them: “Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be my people. And walk in all the way that I command you, that it may be well with you.” (Jer. 7:23). To “walk” in the “old paths” is the equivalent of obeying that which the Lord has commanded. One of the serious problems facing the churches is the emerging church. I tend to see the One Project and it's children as being part of that. There is a lack of the influence of Jesus, even if they claim it, in some of their gatherings. An article was written and published on the Advindicate regarding the One Project: http://advindicate.com/articles/2014/3/4/one-project-present-or-emergent-truth Quoting from the article: Sam Leonor, Co-founder of One Project: "Who hasn't awakened from a dream afraid, fearful of the Lord's return?" Referring to the 1844 Disappointment, he mockingly continued, "It's not for you to know the day or the hour of His return, that is except for the Adventists. (spontaneous audience laughter) You (referring to Adventists) can make all the predictions you want." (hilarious laughter from the audience.) Regarding one of the speakers at this One Project gathering, "Yet Leonard Sweet is not a Seventh-day Adventist. He doesn’t believe in any of the Present Truth doctrines on which we base our beliefs, on which this One Project event was purportedly based." Janet Lundeen Neumann gave a speech you can watch on YouTube regarding some of the leaders in the church working to dismantle "the old paths." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPWCDfTrS3M Sister Ellen wrote long ago, "Time and again I have had presented before me a vision of people across the broad ocean, standing in perplexity, and pale with anxiety, earnestly inquiring, “What is truth?” They say: “We want the bread of life. Our churches are backslidden from God. We want to find the old paths. We want to come back to the simplicity of gospel religion.” My tears flow as I see this picture rising vividly before me. The voice from heaven pleads, “Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.” While so great a work remains to be done, shall not we, as Christ's followers, arouse to a sense of our God-given responsibility, and be active in doing our part?"" An Appeal to Ministers and Church Officers, page 5 One of the problems is that people seem to be wanting to throw away doctrines so they can have Jesus.But even Jesus when he spoke to the Pharisees said, "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone." Matthew 23:23 Throughout the New Testament, Jesus and the Holy Spirit thru Paul writes regarding having the mind of Jesus. Even to the point that Jesus would be formed within us. So, did Jesus ignore the doctrines? Did He ignore the Scriptures. I think not. So, if you are throwing out teachings it is extremely possible that Jesus is not abiding in you! One text that I think about a lot is, "For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life." Romans 5:10 Where is that life but within the follower of Jesus transforming them into His likeness? And you will keep the doctrines of His church like He would have because you would be like Him. For those who still believe in the Old Testament, it was written in the Book of Joshua, "This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success." Joshua 1:8 Now the topic of the thread is evangelism. This is where it gets real. Anyone who has Jesus abiding in them will have an earnest desire to go and tell of Jesus and teach them to observe all things. "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen." Matthew 28:19-20 If you are not teaching doctrines, what are you teaching them to observe? Many are even questioning evangelism. But JCRyle said, “The highest form of selfishness is that of the person who is content to go to heaven alone.” Charles Spurgeon said it like this, "Have you no wish for others to be saved, then you are not saved yourself. You can be sure of that."

Professor Hadari was teaching advanced map reading in his earth sciences class at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem. After explaining about latitude, longitude, degrees and minutes Professor Hadari asked, "Suppose I asked you to meet me for lunch at 23 degrees, 4 minutes north latitude and 45 degrees, 15 minutes east longitude...?" After a moment of silence, a student named Itzik volunteered, "I guess you'd be eating alone."

Old Mrs. Scheiner was a tough lady who liked to walk wherever she could. But one day descending the stairs of her third floor apartment she, broke her leg. As the doctor put a cast on it, he warned her not to climb any stairs. Several months later, the doctor took off the cast. "Can I climb stairs now?" asked old Mrs. Scheiner. "Yes," he replied. "Thank goodness!" she said. "I'm tired of shimmying up and down that drainpipe every day!"

5 Things You Didn't Know About The Day The Music Died February 3, 1959 is forever known as 'The Day the Music Died,' when an airplane carrying rock legends Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and J.P. 'The Big Bopper' Richardson crashed in a field in Fargo, North Dakota. Here are 5 shocking facts you probably didn’t know about "The Day the Music Died." The Musicians' Tour Bus Had Mechanical Problems A combination of mechanical problems with their bus, the terrible weather and a long drive ahead to their next gig in Fargo, Minnesota, convinced singer Buddy Holly that chartering a plane to get there was a good idea. The three-seater Beechcraft Bonanza they hired crashed around five miles from Mason City, Iowa, killing the three musicians onboard. Because a flight plan had not been filed for the flight, their bodies weren’t discovered until the following morning. Waylon Jennings Was Supposed to Be on The Plane Waylon Jennings was only 22 years old and an up-and-coming entertainer when he was hired by Buddy Holly to play at the Winter Dance Party Tour at the Surf Ballroom. Waylon Jennings had originally intended to be on the plane that evening, but he gave up his seat to J.P. Richardson who was suffering from the flu. Holly and Jennings joked around prior to take-off, with Jennings jesting that he hoped the plane crashed. That remark would haunt Jennings for the rest of his life, causing him to feel responsible for the crash. A Coin Toss Decided What Other Musician Died That Day Ritchie Valens, popular for his hit song “La Bamba” asked band member Tommy Allsup for his seat on the plane. The two musicians agreed to toss a coin to decide. Bob Hale, a disc jockey with Mason City's KRIB-AM, was working the concert that night and flipped the coin in the ballroom's side-stage room shortly before the musicians departed for the airport. Valens won the coin toss for the seat on the flight and Tommy Allsup never got on the plane. Years later, Allsup opened a saloon and called the bar the Head's Up Saloon. This would remind him in the future how a simple coin toss had saved his life. The Cause of the Plane Crash Error on the part of the plane’s pilot, Roger Peterson, who also died in the accident, was determined to be a cause of the plane crash. The 21-year-old pilot had not undergone the instrument training that would have been needed when flying in bad weather. Unfortunately, Peterson was also unaware that a weather advisory had been issued before he took off with his passengers. The final investigation blamed the accident on pilot error and the poor weather conditions. Singer Don McLean Recorded a Song that Mentions the Accident The death of the three music legends was immortalized in the song “American Pie” by Don McLean. The song was released in 1971. The lyrics, “February made me shiver” and “The day the music died” are believed to refer to Buddy Holly, “The Big Bopper” and Ritchie Valens and the terrible accident that took their lives. The original recording of the song was chosen by the Library of Congress to be preserved in 2017 as being a significant contribution historically, culturally or artistically.

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Ye also ready ⏰ Mat 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

As I have demonstrated how out of context this is already; I wont re-hash the same points. Its important to bear in mind that what Jesus said re John 15:26 that He made a choice. He chose me. He chose us. Jesus made the first choice—to love and to die for us, to invite us to live with him forever. We make the next choice—to accept or reject his offer. Without his choice, we would have no choice to make.

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It is fine to disagree with me. I do not have a problem with that. Notice that's I have defined "salvific" in terms of knowledge required to be saved. If you intend to say that salvation is based upon knowledge, you may be trending toward Gnosticism. I do not beleve that salvation is limited to people who have obtained a specified level of knowledge--Babies for example.

In regard to some of the questions asked by Gustave, I shall make a few comments, which will be listed in no order of priority: * There is a conservative group within Adventism (I mean here the SDA denomination.) that looks to the past, to say the methods (and themes) that brought converts in the past, should be the methods and themes that we should use today. * These methods and themes should include today, distinctive doctrines (Sabbath, soul sleep, etc.) and horns, beasts and numbers. * It is generally believed that in the foundational days of the SDA denomination, the general population of the U.S. was informed of, and in agreement with, the core beliefs of Christianity. Therefore, those core beliefs did not need to be an instructional part of evangelism. NOTE: As an exception, it must be stated that the early leaders of what became the SDA denomination, did not have a united understanding of the Trinity as a core Christian belief. * It should also be stated that the early foundational leaders, with some exceptions, of the SDA denomination were often very young people, who came from a varied denominational background, and had no understanding of what are considered to be core issues faced by the developing Christian religion. A major example is the doctrine of the Trinity. (James and Ellen White are examples among others of youthful founders of this denomination.) * SDAs today may not understand the developmental process by which this denomination has established doctrinal positions. At a time when some agreement had been reached related to the proscribed foods of Leviticus 11, there was disagreement as to the exact composition of those foods. As an example, probably few SDAs understand, although it has been published, that Ellen White enjoyed eating clams and personally considered clams to she comfort foods in times when she felt ill. NOTE: I consider this to be one example that demonstrates that the personal beliefs of Ellen White were not the foundational source of SDA beliefs. * SDAs developed their five (5) foundational beliefs in what are typically called five Sabbath Conferences as they were held at conferences on the Sabbath. Those five beliefs were all distinctive and not considered to be core beliefs of Christianity. * There is a segment of the SDA denomination that believes that the population of the U.S. can not be assumed to be informed of and in agreement with, the core beliefs of Christianity. Therefore, they believe that evangelism must be focused first on the basics of Christianity, with a primary focus on Christ, his death on the cross, and an actual conversion to Christ. * One example of this is what has been called "The One Project." This group has been controversial due to the fact that it has primarily focused on SDA members as it has suggested that SDA members have needed to re-focus on basic doctrines of Christ and the cross. NOTE: As a point of disclosure, I am a strong supporter of what was The One Project. * As to what is salvific (necessary to be believed if one is to be saved), further definition must be made as to the various groups that exist within Adventism, as I do not believe that only one group exists. * Some, within Adventism, will suggest that the core salvific doctrines are those that relate to Christ and the cross. Everything else is not salvific. Others may appear to add a little beyond Christ and the cross. * On a personal basis, when I am summing up Christianity I will say that the core beliefs are limited to Christ and the cross, with no other doctrines being salvific. * However, when I expand to give a more detailed response I suggest that there are no doctrines that are salvific. I consider God''s plan of salvation to include all people with no exceptions. This includes new-born babies who have never accepted any doctrinal position. Salvation is not determined by a lack of ignorance. It includes adults who have never heard of Christ. In brief, I consider that salvation depends upon the response that one has made to the leading of the Holy Spirit. It does NOT depend upon what the Holy Spirit has not yet done for a person. * I will sum up my understanding of salvation: Salvation is a choice that each makes, within the limits of their knowledge, as to whether or not one choses to spend eternity with God. Each is allowed to make their choice. One who choses to spend it with God is allowed to do so. One who choses not to spend it with God, ceases to exist. Each person has an equal opportunity to be saved. * As I see it, my task, is not to convert people to my way of thinking. Conversion is the work of the Holy Spirit. Rather, my task is to build relationships that the Holy Spirit can use to encourage people to chose to spend eternity with God--IOW to be converted.