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When Political Prophets Fail: The following is a good article on this subject by a respected Christian publication. https://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2020/november-web-only/political-prophecy-false-bible-scholartrumpelection.htmlutm_source=ctweeklyhtml&utm_medium=Newsletter&utm_term=16245031&utm_content=742269001&utm_campaign=email

Please don't bet with HCHC! He is going to lose because President elect Biden will be in the White House. YAHWEH, not HCH or anyone but HIM can set up kings and take them down. He also never lets men like Pence who is weak ever be a president. He wanted the glory around Trump and is only a weak yes man that will creep away and not be remembered! When you don't have no backbone like Baalim, you will speak and beat a donkey to get to the power! If he had walk away when he heard and saw the tape; he might have been president, but never now! See the fly told what he has become. It got more fame then Pence did. Now, that's a shame! Blessings!

They fall Pastor because is not the politics that saves. It is THE BLOOD of THE LAMB. Every political power the Bible shows clearly that they fail! Why? Because their views were contrary to the Worship of THE MOST HIGH! Both parties have views that are out of step with YAHWEH'S Commandments and Principles and I have stated this many time on this forum and others. We as SDA for the last few centuries preached on religious freedom. Yet, we can accept the views of those who says their religious views are so right that if you do not follow them, you must be punish. I don't believe the outright murder of an unborn child and not different then putting one in a cage! But, YAHSHUA came and die that we all may have eternal life. The Bible says we are not to judge! Can, I have the right to make the decision of a another woman's body? It is right to force her husband to keep her bearing children that they cannot afford? Should a woman have to bear a child of a rape act, that should be her decision! I am against the homosexual act, but YAHWEH is also against fornicators, adulterers and other sexual acts that we do not like to discuss. My point is that each kingdom that fail, all fail because of their views and actions contrary to the Commands of YAHWEH! Listen to HCH putting a man above YAHWEH and putting Biden down because he is a Catholic. Because Pence is a Protestant, he is righteous and Biden isn't because he is a Catholic (we are hung up on the false myth of the beast). Satan wins! Is Daniel Chapter a sweeping view of political powers, yes it is and how they all came to the end, even the beast who is not the papacy. He will destroy the papacy because it is THE FATHER'S WILL. Adventist you cannot have it both ways either the papacy is the whore or the beast? Why do I say it how do the beast hate the whore and the kings that reign with hate her and they burn her and destroy her? I do not get it? It is plain simple English to me! And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. These have one mind and shall give their power and strength unto the beast. And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. For ELOHIYM hath put in their hearts to Fulfil HIS WILL, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the WORDS of ELOHIYM shall be Fulfilled. Rev 17:12, 13,16, 17 Now, I ask, how can anyone read the above and still believe the myth that has created people like HCH? There goes the hour in that verse! Then we always claiming that the Protestants will force us to keep Sunday! Really? Many SDA voted for a person who broke the laws of man and most of all of YAHWEH! 71 Million people are following Trump! They actually believe he is a god and that THE Heavenly FATHER was leading a man who lies, cheat on all of his wives, rapes, is racist is a saint! Then HCH have the nerve to put Pence as a political figure who lies and accept every evil thing Trump does above YAHSHUA! He then makes a bet; which is gambling! Then have the nerve to make the bet on his suppose to be writings on Bible prophecies! That YAHWEH is with him like Esau, he would sell the truth, like Esau sold the Birthright Covenant! How totally against THE MOST HIGH Principles! Political history down to through the ages were shown that their views would not stand up to the Principles of the True Worship of THE MOST HIGH. YAHWEH brought on this pandemic to show us truth, he allow Trump to become president to show those who claim to worship HIM are fooling themselves. We had our differences on this forum; but not like it has been since Trump. Divisiveness was dark and profound. It brought out the hidden systematic truth about racism that has been embedded, waiting to come forth with a vengeance! I see how 1/3 of the messengers follow Lucifer! Lucifer has no empathy, no remorse, no compassion, he only think of himself and his power. He see and becomes angry how he was kick out and made low before the other messengers. But, he will have to admit soon, by kneeling and bowing down to YAHSHUA, that HE IS ELOHIYM who created and him! Yes, his rage will return, and all of the fallen messengers and the wicked will still follow him to death; like someone being shot on fifth avenue! Tomorrow on the Sabbath will be something that will be shockful, watch and see! But remember one thing soon these words about the politics of this world: And the seventh messenger trumpeted. And there came to be loud voices saying, The kingdoms of this world have become our SOVEREIGN, and of HIS MESSIAH; and HE shall reign forever and ever. Rev 11:15 WOY, TS2009, HBR Have a blessed and happy Sabbath!

Marri, I was agreeing with hch on praying for people when the Spirit moved him. Nothing else. As a child of God, he does not need to be torn down for every comment. His "prophecies" may be off base, and he may be a little "overconfident" (especially given how often he's been wrong), but he deserves the same respect as each of us deserves. You seem to speak with a great deal of conviction and confidence, just as he does; even though (at least in my opinion) you say some pretty questionable things. I do too. People who live in glass houses shouldn't shouldn't throw stones.

For reasons of confidentiality, I am limited in the response that I can make to your question. I have regular contact with her. So does my wife. She welcomes that. Additional SDA contact is available.

I agree 100%. I have always thought so. If social justice and climate change were actually going to be part of this country's agenda, then there had to be someone who was more, shall we say, tenderhearted toward the people? It may not be Biden, it may be the next president, but we are moving toward it. Then again,Biden mat become a Sabbathkeeper. Who knows? I do like the idea of children being reunited, or trying to reunite them,--more equality,for awhile a more humanitarian flow. We just need to minister best we can in the time we have, regardless of who it is.

?Promise He will abundantly pardon Isaiah 55:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the Lord , and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Interesting. Two clarifications: (a) if Donald Trump resigns or dies before January 20, 2021 and Michael Pence sits as president until January 20, 2021 and is then replaced on January 20, 2021 by another person (so that Pence is not the last president), would you consider that your prophecy has been fulfilled correctly? And (b) Joe Biden is inaugurated as US president on January 20, 2021, will you buy back the books? If you'll buy back the books if Joe Biden is inaugurated President on January 20, 2021, you have a deal. All I would need would be your shipping address so I can have the purchased books delivered from the publisher directly to you. I don't want them delivered to me and I don't want to pay shipping to Canada only to have to ship them back to you on January 21, 2021.

I have no interest in your book. I will however wager you anywhere up to USD$1,000 over whether or not Joe Biden will be president of the USA after January 20, 2021. The only way the Mike Pence will be president before Joe Biden is if Donald Trump has an infantile temper tantrum before January 20, 2021 and resigns to avoid having his position taken directly by Joe Biden or to allow Pence to pardon Trump of federal crimes before Biden takes the oath of office.

You truly have a problem! You are just like Trump your pride is showing and you are about to have a fall. Remember Humpty Dumpty! Prayer is truly needed!

No, when you stand before your god, he is going to ask you are you a Republican, then you can enter. But fire and brimstones to those Democrats! YAHWEH IS NO RESPECT OF PERSONS! I never read in the Bible that he choose a certain party, is so can you show in the Bible? Peace!

? Promise No weapon formed against thee shall prosper Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord , and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord .

Stinsonmarri, I am just really curious. Do you abhor all dishonesty/lies ? Biden has proven himself to be a liar for decades. He has told some whoppers. Beginning with the tragic death of his first wife and baby daughter. To gain more sympathy he claimed the truck driver was drunk. When in fact his wife was at fault and the truck driver was not drunk. That is really tacky. His dishonesty during his first run for the presidency caused him to withdraw from the race. From claiming to be coal miner, civil rights activist, being shot at in Irag, knowing where Bin Laden was and on and on. All lies. Is this something you consider a serious character flaw in Biden and, Lying lips are an abomination to YAHWEH? Or just when it concerns Trump? To my knowledge Biden has never admitted to lying. It is always a mistake but never blatant dishonesty. You have made it very plain what you think of Trump, what do you think of the blatant, provable long standing dishonesty of Biden? I follow discussions here from time to time and don't believe I have ever read your thoughts on the dishonesty of Biden Bonnie

Turn off his teleprompter and he is in deep trouble during his speech. I have watch some of his speeches and watched him seriously mess up whatever he was trying to say. As far as his mentality, don't forget that he had major brain surgery which partially derailed his presidential aspirations back in '88 (I believe plagerism was the other issue that dogged him). He does has serious word finding difficulties from time to time. Again, I challenge you Trump haters to state specifically where and when the President has spewed hate. When you make this claim without evidence then you become a liar. There is far more proof regarding Biden's racism and that is easily documented. But keep throwing the hate and racism charges against the side of the barn and see if it won't stick. Some may believe it, but "No matter how big a hammer you use, you can't pound common sense into stupid people."

Interesting article. Usually not a big fan of Spectrum, but sometimes they make a good point. As far as the one with the gun getting away, seen it many times. While the writer seemed to focus on the more "conservative guns", the "progressive guns" are also out there in big numbers. I need look no further than the assaults on the president of the church who has been hugely criticized for years. The author mentioned that some sins were targeted by the "guns", while character assassination is given a free pass. Interestingly, many of these guns are huge EGW fans and can quote her more than the Bible. However, they fail to see that the criticism and picking away at others is probably the biggest sin of all. It is one thing to discuss an issue or the politics of leaders, but quite another to condemn them to hell. While everyone seems to want to be "monday morning quarterback" and judge actions or see things that are wrong and need to be corrected, few do it in the manner prescribed by the Bible. So, I think this author has probably identified what may be one of the biggest reasons for people to be kept out of heaven.

Since Bible prophecy to says that Michael Pence is America's next and last President, It is definite that Joe Biden will never be POTUS.