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One of the real problems you will have to deal with in this argument is that we are exhorted over and over again in the Bible to "be perfect even as our Father in heaven is perfect." I see many many people who believe that a person can sin right up to the very moment that Jesus returns to this earth and I tend to believe this is a very fatal error. First of all, it demonstrates unbelief. I find that you really then have to determine what or how one becomes perfect. Exactly what does that mean? Many try every day of their lives to not sin and fail miserably. And to be sure, I find it to be really works to attempt tp become perfect through your own efforts. It was (and is) often said to me that "we need to get ready, because Jesus is coming." No one ever says how you do that. It has been one of my focuses for some time now to understand exactly how do you get ready, i. e., even, how do you become perfect. Since we have been exhorted to become perfect by God in Scripture, then it follows that we can become perfect. God does not lie and He does not waste words. And as noted previously, what that means has to be determined. One of the great recent studies regarding having the mind of Jesus and becoming perfect is a seminar by Bill Liversidge which is available on Youtube and is linked to in my sig lines. See the Victory in Jesus section of the links. One of the fallacies I find is to try and point out that no one is a perfect commandment keeper. We cannot know that. It is given that everyone has sinned, but the idea seems to be because one has sinned they can never be perfect. I very much believe that a person can cease to sin. There is reference in Scripture that when Jesus comes we will see Him as He is because we will be like Him. He even stands up in heaven and says let the righteous be righteous still. Again, we can not ever be able to say how many individuals on this earth have become so like God through their relationship with Him that they cease to sin. However, I believe that for one to claim they have stopped sinning is to prove that they continue to sin. As far as saying none can point to a single case of someone becoming perfect, you cannot prove none have. As far as "Last Generation Theology (LGT)" goes, it seems to be a name applied to a number of traits of those people who go through the time of trouble without a mediator. The Bible uses a different name, "the 144,000." I believe the name came through the writings of M. L. Andreasen, but any of you are free to correct me on that. I have found nothing in the LGT belief that is not in all of the writings of the Scriptures and the early church founders including Sister Ellen, E. Waggoner, and others I have yet to read. And of course, many more modern theologians and writers echo much of the same in different ways including Andreasen, Goldstein, Douglass, Liversidge, and others. This I would find troubling. I do believe God will share secrets with His people and show them wonderful things. When it comes to EGW, it seems to me that you have to totally dismiss the messages that were given to us via her ministry or believe. And if we have been given a wonderful message through her, but choose to dismiss them, it seems one is not slighting her but God who gave the message. The understanding of 1844 is a very powerful message that we have not even gotten to the end of fully understanding it. While it is true that it is not a "requirement" for salvation, but I personally would be very concerned to go out and ignore what understandings have been offered to us for this day and age. Daniel was told to seal up that understanding and in this day it is open to us. Jesus talked about how the people of His time on earth had a knowledge of things that others only dreamed of knowing. And today, we have a knowledge of things that even the apostles did not seem to have. Another writer notes often that much of the Scripture writings of prophecies that seem to have been fulfilled long ago are written for us today. Many prophecies even by Jesus were in the same talk applicable to the residents of Jerusalem and to the inhabitants of the earth at the end of the age. Here you are making statements without proving evidence. Exactly where does EGW contradict Scripture? Often done is to make such statements without providing the evidence for them. And exactly where does EGW claim more power for herself than the Pope? Given that EGW claimed nothing more than being a messenger, but the Popes have referred to themselves in the past as "Lord God the Pope"!

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"Having a quote to back it" up really does not mean too much. Not if it cant be found in the Bible. It is wrong to try to use EGW quotes to prove what we believe. It simply never will. Gustave; I am not going to comment to you anymore whenever you try to use EGW quotes as I have already outlined some of why we should not do that to "prove" what Adventists really believe. Should you wish to use scripture, and any of our official fundamental beliefs, I would be happy to talk about that with you. EGW has never been the boss of our doctrine. Like any other of our pioneers, she often spoke her mind, but was never the original source for any of the 28 fundamental beliefs. I am aware that The Roman Catholic Church is free to read the Bible, but when it comes to forming a specific belief or doctrine for same, that can only be approved by The Pope. That much is very clear.

A lot goes into a dogma before it becomes a dogma & the key word being "we declare and define [x,y,z]. From my perspective this is radically different than how dogma was defined in the SDA Church. Ellen White At that time one error after another pressed in upon us; ministers and doctors brought in new doctrines. We would search the Scriptures with much prayer, and the Holy Spirit would bring the truth to our minds. Sometimes whole nights would be devoted to searching the Scriptures and earnestly asking God for guidance. Companies of devoted men and women assembled for this purpose. The power of God would come upon ME, and I was enabled clearly to define what is truth and what is error. As the points of our faith were thus established, our feet were placed upon a solid foundation. We accepted the truth point by point, under the demonstration of the Holy Spirit. I would be taken off in vision, and explanations would be given me. I was given illustrations of heavenly things, and of the sanctuary, so that we were placed where light was shining on us in clear, distinct rays.--Gospel Works, p. 302. {3SM 32.1}" Ellen is saying that SHE "defined" what is truth and what is error by the CHARISM she possessed. This is radically different than the Papacy and ascribes significantly more power to one person in the context of identifying and defining dogma than as found in the Magisterium. Furthermore the charism claimed by Ellen White included the ability to interpret Scripture in addition to prophecy. Ellen White We are NOT to receive the words of those who come with a message that contradicts the special points of our faith. They gather together a mass of Scripture, and pile it as proof around their asserted theories. . . . And while the Scriptures are God's word, and are to be respected, the application of them, IF such application moves one pillar from the foundation that God has sustained these fifty years, is a great mistake. He who makes such an application knows not the wonderful demonstration of the Holy Spirit that gave power and force to the past messages that have come to the people of God” (1SM 161; CW 32; The Early Elmshaven Years 426). Below Ellen appears to contrast her charism with the inspired writers of the Bible. Ellen White The Bible is written by inspired men, but IT is NOT God's mode of thought and expression. It is that of humanity. God, as a writer, is not represented. Men will often say such an expression is not like God. But God has not put Himself in words, in logic, in rhetoric, on trial in the Bible. The writers of the Bible were God's penmen, NOT His pen." (Selected Messages, Vol. 1, Chapter One "The Inspiration of the Prophetic Writers") Ellen then claimed that what she wrote was directly what God wanted to convey. Ellen White There are those who say, ‘Someone MANIPULATES her writings.’ I acknowledge the charge. It is One who is mighty in counsel, One who presents before me the condition of things” (1MR 30). As anyone with knowledge of how dogma is defined in the Catholic Church can attest - Ellen White certainly ascribed more power in defining what was to be accepted or rejected as faith than the Papacy generally or any singular Pope. Love your comment about the horse LOL. We have to keep our sense and source of humor going. It took 1800 years for the Marian dogmas to be defined - compare that length of time, debate and study to how the SDA dogma of the Investigative Judgement was defined as truth. Who was it again that "defined" the I.J. as truth for the SDA Church? I know the answer to that and of course have a quote to back it up but wanted to hear your thoughts on it prior to posting it.

✨?it shall be done ??✨ John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

I would definitely agree with this idea Gregory Salvation is not dependent on obedience but it does result in obedience, Good thing too. I dont know of any perfect sabbath keepers or perfect commandment keepers.

Who can say that they keep all of thee commandments? I can not. Yet, I have the assurance of salvation.