Dr. Shane Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 FOXNews is reporting the police DO KNOW the identity of the gunman but are not releasing it yet. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Amelia Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 the gunman for the dormitory is identified as a "person of interest" not the gunman for the school building. That connection has not been made through ballistics. Lets not jump the gun of information dissemination. As for one of the guns. A 9mm handgun. Interestingly enough a law had once limited the number of rounds for 9mm clip to 10. That law has expired and now those clips can hold 18 rounds before reloading. Students in one of the shooting classrooms report seeing the shooter reload the 9mm. He was appeared very "experienced" in handeling the weapon and clips, which he wore in a shooters vest. Police report that is was a well planned incedent as the serial numbers of all guns had been filed off and the gunman well armed with guns and ammo military style. Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
Woody Posted April 17, 2007 Author Posted April 17, 2007 Originally Posted By: Redwood I don't think we should encourage the mentally ill like this guy to have guns in the name of the more the better. Who said that he was mentally ill, CNN, Fox??? Anyone who would do this is mentally ill. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Dr. Shane Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 FOXNews has claimed a source of the Chicago Tribune that the gunman was a Chinese national, in the country on a student visa and no terrorist ties are suspected. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Robert Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 TIC (bitterly) - so was it heavy metal music or video games this time? Probably wounded human nature. One possible scenario is that his girl friend was cheating and he lost it. Another is he was extremely possessive and there was no outside aggravation. Much of this type of crime could be avoided if sexual sins were not indulged in.....Sin causes sin. Love, on the other hand, prevents a multitude of sins. Quote
Amelia Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 I just saw a news bit on the past university shootings here in the USA. In all those cases the people shooting showed no signs of mental illness according to those who knew them. But one thing they all had in common was the inablility to work through their frustrations,stress and anger. Also experts have said that when a person creates a suicide mindset as in a suicide bomber etc, no one can persuade them from their actions/goals. Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
Robert Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 Originally Posted By: Robert Who said that he was mentally ill' date=' CNN, Fox???[/quote'] Anyone who would do this is mentally ill. Sin is not a mental illiness! Paul: "Now if I do what I do not want to do, it is no longer I who do it, but it is sin living in me that does it." "The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality...hatred...jealousy, fits of rage...." Quote
Robert Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 The problem with "human love" is that it is self-seeking, i.e., it demands a reciprocal love. But let something go wrong and that human love can just as passionately turn into pure hate. Remember that woman who ran over her husband after she caught him cheating? What happened to her love for him? Right, it was conditional. Human love is scary, huh? That’s why we need divine influence because outside Christ we would do the same things if we were put in the shoes of those who do these terrible atrocities….Even with Christ people do crazy things. Remember King David? Robert Quote
Amelia Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 Well it didn't take long. CBS is having a special on the shooting this Wednesday night called "An Anatomy of A Rampage". Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
Moderators lazarus Posted April 17, 2007 Moderators Posted April 17, 2007 These details are not yet appearing in the mainstream US media http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/ar...ge_id=1811&ct=5 http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2058854,00.html Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Taylor Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 Originally Posted By: Robert Who said that he was mentally ill' date=' CNN, Fox???[/quote'] Anyone who would do this is mentally ill. No kidding Redwood! Even if they say he was "normal" this is not "normal" behavior....it is just dreadful! I feel so bad for the families and the terrified students. What a horrible day for all of them! Quote
Taylor Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 These details are not yet appearing in the mainstream US media http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/ar...d=1811&ct=5 http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,2058854,00.html Thanks Laz! Quote
Pockey Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 TIC (bitterly) - so was it heavy metal music or video games this time? that and hip hop, gays, avian flu, islam, prescription drugs, iraq, and the other. Quote
Woody Posted April 17, 2007 Author Posted April 17, 2007 FOX New described the killer today as a "Mad Man". It goes along with my belief that someone who does that is not in his right mind. However ... the news did report that he was being treated for Depression with drugs. Do you know how drug interactions can effect people??? Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Dr. Shane Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 I am sorry (Yet another apology from Shane) I misquoted FOXNews. Their source for saying it was a Chinese student was the Chicago Sun Times, not the Chicago Tribune. My mistake. Quote Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Woody Posted April 17, 2007 Author Posted April 17, 2007 Hey Shane ... I am impressed !!! Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Woody Posted April 17, 2007 Author Posted April 17, 2007 Fox has now reported that he is from South Korea. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Woody Posted April 17, 2007 Author Posted April 17, 2007 Now ... Fox is stating that this guy was showing signs of being paranoid and he had been referred to mental health by his professors. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators lazarus Posted April 17, 2007 Moderators Posted April 17, 2007 Now ... Fox is stating that this guy was showing signs of being paranoid and he had been referred to mental health by his professors. So we must wait and see if this is confirmed by a news outlet Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Woody Posted April 17, 2007 Author Posted April 17, 2007 LOL ... Very funny Laz. You are one funny guy. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Woody Posted April 17, 2007 Author Posted April 17, 2007 He had set fires in the dorm and was accused of being a stalker. Just to mention a few that I can remember. Quote May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators lazarus Posted April 17, 2007 Moderators Posted April 17, 2007 LOL ... Very funny Laz. You are one funny guy. "many a true word is said in jest" Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Amelia Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 Personally I'm with Laz. Fox is tends to report news by spamming the airwaves with rumor, half truths and hearsay; THEN make corrections as they go. It's all in an attempt to be first with breaking news. Of course this us just IMHO. Yes, he turned in disturbing writings in class as per the instructor. Yes he was referred to a campus counselor but no info was given as to whether he went. Yes he was being treated for depression. Depression can make you think and act differently. But I don't believe depression is a "mental illness". Depression can be cured in most people. I would be interested if toxicology tests show any anti-drepressants in his system. His erratic actions make me feel that he was not taking his meds. Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
Administrators Gail Posted April 17, 2007 Administrators Posted April 17, 2007 Either that or the meds themselves were making him erratic. One side effect of an antidepressant is suicidal thoughts, but if you exhibit that side effect you are supposed to seek help immediately Quote Isaiah 32:17 And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.
Amelia Posted April 17, 2007 Posted April 17, 2007 very true Gail. Quote <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
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