Coffee - Health Food!

[olger]

The information was contributed by Dr. Joel Robbins from Tulsa Oklahoma. Robbins spoke at Loma Linda in 2003. Very insightful speaker.

Perhaps your "science" is flawed.

olger

[olger]

Beevin said: "Not everything that goes into your stomach or lungs goes into your bloodstream."

I agree. There is no digestion that takes place in the bloodstream. That happens before it gets there. The body tries to keep toxins out of the bloodstream (with varying degrees of success).

olger

[Woody]

Quote:

Jethro Kloss, author of Back To Eden, wrote, "Do not drink coffee and tea, which are harmful. Coffee weakens the heart muscle...Coffee hinders digestion, is a cause of constipation, and poisons the body."

I feel that this is a clear statement. If Ellen White had said this then we would know where she stood. But to say that tea and coffee drinking is a SIN .... what does that tell us?

[Amelia]

Quote:

1) A lazy person will experience poverty (Prov 6:11)

I must be very lazy indeed as no matter how much I work I'm still "working poor".

[Woody]

Amelia .... Many Chrisians believe that the Christian life is meant to be a bed of roses. But Jesus by example taught that the Christian life is more like a bed of THORNS. We are expected to take up our cross and follow Him. By being made poor .... we will be rich. Our reward is not an earthly one. Our reward will be a heavenly one. So ... while on this old earth ... we WILL suffer. We wouldn't want to get too comfortable on this old sinful earth.

Here is the Redwood Revised Version. .... "The Christian will experience poverty." Prov. 6:11

[olger]

I agree, RW. I knew you had potential .

This is olger signing off..

[Woody]

I agree, RW. I knew you had potential .

This is olger signing off..

So glad I am meeting your standards Olger and you see my potential. And for letting me know when I've arrived.

[olger]

No problem. Send me your address and I'll get your "I have arrived" medal off in the monday mail. I hope cardboard is ok..?

smiling olger

[Woody]

No problem. Send me your address and I'll get your "I have arrived" medal off in the monday mail. I hope cardboard is ok..?

smiling olger

OK .... Just send it in care of David Koot . Andrews University Religion Dept. Berrien Springs, MI. 49104

Thanks Olger.

[olger]

I had the CIA run a tracer on you and they said you are in California..

amused olger

[Amelia]

Now stop that.

[Woody]

NOW .... Lets get back on topic about the health and sin of coffee.

[gina i]

in the grand scheme of things, my salvation will not depend on how much coffee I do/don't drink, how much jewelry I wear, yadda yadda.. dead horse beat.

[David Koot]

OK .... Just send it in care of David Koot . Andrews University Religion Dept. Berrien Springs, MI. 49104

Aha! May I assume from that bit of info that Andrews will be offering me a job? Hmmmm?

[Woody]

in the grand scheme of things, my salvation will not depend on how much coffee I do/don't drink, how much jewelry I wear, yadda yadda.. dead horse beat.

Gina ... The conservatives will disagree with that. They say that those who live in habitual sin should be disfellowshipped. And every time you drink coffee ... you are sinning according to Ellen White.

[olger]

America's #1 Drug

Caffeine is produced by more than eighty species of plants. The reason may well be survival. As it turns out, caffeine is a biological poison used by plants as a pesticide.

Caffeine is considered harmless simply because it is so widely used.

There is a brochure available in hospitals and other medical related areas: "What you should know about caffeine" published by the International Food Information Council (IFIC) in Washington DC. After many phone calls Cherniske finally got a list of 'supporters' of the IFIC. The list included Pepsi, Coca-Cola, M&M, Nutrasweet, Nestle and Hershey - all of whom have caffeine in their drinks and foods. 'Partners' of the IFIC included groups such as the National Association of Pediatric Nurses and the Children's Advertising Review Unit of the Council of Better Business Bureau Inc. This brochure says that "Caffeine is normally excreted within several hours after consumption". In fact, only 1% is excreted. The remaining 99% has to be detoxified by the liver.

It can take up to 12 hours to detoxify a single cup of coffee.

Many studies regarding coffee and hypertension were flawed, because the test studies came off coffee for only one or two weeks. It takes many more weeks than this for stress hormone levels of the body to return to normal.

The 'half-life' of a drug is the time it takes the body to remove one half of the dose. Caffeine is a drug. The half-life of a single dose of caffeine ranges from three to TWELVE hours.

Caffeine puts your body into stress. A single 250 milligram dose of caffeine (the equivalent of about 2.5 six ounce cups of coffee) has been shown to increase levels of the stress hormone epinephrine (adrenaline) by over 200%.

Caffeine triggers a classic fight-or-flight reaction. The fight-or-flight response was designed for events that happened only occasionally (such as a lion chasing you). Now, we put our body in fight-or-flight every day with caffeine!!! Since we are in society, we don't respond in a fight-or-flight way. Instead, other things may happen. For example, sugar and fat get dumped unused in the bloodstream. The sugar creates more stress. The fat clogs the arteries. The digestive system slows or shuts down.

Not only is caffeine addictive, it also encourages other addictions to substances like nicotine.

Caffeine does not give you energy. It stimulates your nervous system and adrenals. That's not energy, that's stress. Imagine going to a bank for a loan. The loan officer agrees to your loan. But as you leave the bank you notice the fine print - the loan has to be repaid at 75% interest! The 'energy' that you think you get from caffeine is really just a loan from the adrenals and liver, and the interest you have to pay is very high.

olger

[John317]

America's #1 Drug

Caffeine is produced by more than eighty species of plants. The reason may well be survival. As it turns out, caffeine is a biological poison used by plants as a pesticide.

Caffeine is considered harmless simply because it is so widely used.

olger

Reminds me of the information I got at my class on diabetes, which, by the way, is taught by non-SDA. The book says, "Your body sees alcohol as a poison." It says, "Alcohol also affects your nerves. If you have nerve damage, drinking can increase the pain, burning, tingling and numbness that you may have." It describes a lot of other bad results from drinking alcohol. So, that being the case, why would anyone want to drink it? (Wouldn't by any chance be for the way it makes us feel, would it?!) Yet the very next page tells us how to mix it and in what quantities!! Now why? Well, of course, because the people who wrote it know that lots of people will drink it anyway, despite the harm it does. It's like telling kids not to have sex but then giving them a condom because you know they're probably (no, almost certainly) going to do it anyway.

As far as coffee is concerned, why would I drink it if I know it is not good for me and that God gave Ellen White a message about it, that God's people shouldn't take it into their systems? Am I to trust other people on this thread who say it's OK or am I going to trust a prophet of God? Many of us say we believe that God gave her visions and messages, but we only obey the ones that we like or that don't call us to give up some favorite sin [yeah, I know; horrors, there's that word again]. I have a friend at my work who is living with a woman without benifit of marriage. They have a baby together [which a mutual friend, not he, told me about]. He talks about the Bible and about being obedient to the Word, but when it comes to that woman, it's as if the Bible and God don't matter. I see a lot of SDAs doing the same with Ellen White. We like many of the beautiful things she says [you know, the devotional things], but when it comes to calling us to make changes in our own life [for instance, what's in the Testimonies], well, then we tend to point out things which we think prove that she can only be trusted maybe 90% of the time [if that] and that our opinions are far superior.

[bevin]

Water is extremely dangerous

If you put just a few cupfuls in your lungs, you die

If you put plain water into your veins, you die

It is used as a paint thinner

It kills worms and bugs

...

/Bevin

[Halfstep-Denise]

Excuse me while I die laughing, Bevin!

That's rich!!

Halfstep-Denise :llama

[olger]

Originally Posted By: olger

America's #1 Drug

Caffeine is produced by more than eighty species of plants. The reason may well be survival. As it turns out, caffeine is a biological poison used by plants as a pesticide.

Caffeine is considered harmless simply because it is so widely used.

olger

Reminds me of the information I got at my class on diabetes, which, by the way, is taught by non-SDA. The book says, "Your body sees alcohol as a poison." It says, "Alcohol also affects your nerves. If you have nerve damage, drinking can increase the pain, burning, tingling and numbness that you may have." It describes a lot of other bad results from drinking alcohol. So, that being the case, why would anyone want to drink it? (Wouldn't by any chance be for the way it makes us feel, would it?!) Yet the very next page tells us how to mix it and in what quantities!! Now why? Well, of course, because the people who wrote it know that lots of people will drink it anyway, despite the harm it does. It's like telling kids not to have sex but then giving them a condom because you know they're probably (no, almost certainly) going to do it anyway.

As far as coffee is concerned, why would I drink it if I know it is not good for me and that God gave Ellen White a message about it, that God's people shouldn't take it into their systems? Am I to trust other people on this thread who say it's OK or am I going to trust a prophet of God? Many of us say we believe that God gave her visions and messages, but we only obey the ones that we like or that don't call us to give up some favorite sin [yeah, I know; horrors, there's that word again]. I have a friend at my work who is living with a woman without benifit of marriage. They have a baby together [which a mutual friend, not he, told me about]. He talks about the Bible and about being obedient to the Word, but when it comes to that woman, it's as if the Bible and God don't matter. I see a lot of SDAs doing the same with Ellen White. We like many of the beautiful things she says [you know, the devotional things], but when it comes to calling us to make changes in our own life [for instance, what's in the Testimonies], well, then we tend to point out things which we think prove that she can only be trusted maybe 90% of the time [if that] and that our opinions are far superior.

Well stated, friend.

olger

john 15:16

[Bravus]

Almost everything has a lethal dose - it's difficult, but possible, to drink enough water to be poisoned by it. Short of the rather bizarre behaviours of (a) mainlining caffiene straight into a vein or ( drinking in excess of 50 cups of coffee in a day, it's not going to be lethal. There are questions about whether it is harmful, helpful or somewhere in between, but I would hope we can at least be honest about the empirical, measurable facts.

Look, I have no brief: you want to eschew caffiene, go for it, with my blessing. Enjoy, and as olger said 'live long and prosper'.

[Tom Wetmore]

:E

This has been so highly entertaining, I am truly pleased to take credit for starting this particular laugh riot!

:--) :---) (Caffeinated bananas!)

Tom

[John317]

Water is extremely dangerous

If you put just a few cupfuls in your lungs, you die

If you put plain water into your veins, you die

It is used as a paint thinner

It kills worms and bugs

...

/Bevin

Did you see the news reports a few months back about the DJ's who got fired and will probably be sued because they invited people to take part in a water-drinking contest and a lady participant died from drinking too much water after she complained of feeling sick and they neglected to tell people the dangers? They even made jokes on the radio about the lady being sick. They had her drinking water beyond the point where water consumption can be lethal.

[olger]

Johns Hopkins University just finished another study on caffeine addictions.

In their review, the researchers identified 57 experimental studies and nine survey studies on caffeine withdrawal, and examined each to assess the validity of the reported findings.

The researchers identified five clusters of common withdrawal symptoms: headache; fatigue or drowsiness; dysphoric mood including depression and irritability; difficulty concentrating; and flu-like symptoms of nausea, vomiting and muscle pain or stiffness. In experimental studies, 50 percent of people experienced headache and 13 percent had clinically significant distress or functional impairment -- for example, severe headache and other symptoms incompatible with working. Typically, onset of symptoms occurred 12 to 24 hours after stopping caffeine, with peak intensity between one and two days, and for a duration of two to nine days. In general, the incidence or severity of symptoms increased with increases in daily dose, but abstinence from doses as low as 100 milligrams per day, or about one small cup of coffee, also produced symptoms.

The research also showed that avoidance of caffeine withdrawal symptoms motivates regular use of caffeine. For example, the satisfying feelings and perceived benefits that many coffee users experience from their morning coffee appear to be a simple reversal of the negative effects of caffeine withdrawal after overnight abstinence.

But there is good news for those wishing to quit caffeine: A simple, stepwise approach can often eliminate the need for a "fix" without suffering the most severe withdrawal symptoms.

[olger]

Caffeine does not provide energy—only chemical stimulation. The perceived "energy" comes from the body's struggle to adapt to increased blood levels of stress hormones. In most cases, this induced emergency state leads to well-defined side effects collectively known as caffeinism. Ironically, caffeinism is characterized by fatigue.

Caffeine Blues By Stephen Cherniske MS, page 10

While coffee, tea and other substances containing caffeine may be used as stimulants to overcome the toxic effects of sedative drug poisoning, they tend to charge the adrenals and thus deplete the body's reserves.

Planetary Herbology by Michael Tierra CA ND, page 241

Let's face it, remaining healthy and strong throughout life is a battle. Caffeine is the Trojan horse. It looks like a gift but instead delivers adrenal stress, low blood sugar, mood and energy swings, fatigue, depression, malnutrition, and disturbed sleep. By now, you are starting to see the full scope of how caffeine affects the quality of life. Caffeinism is a gradual and at first imperceptible disorder.

Caffeine Blues By Stephen Cherniske MS, page 94

The truth about caffeine and energy is finally getting out. Physicians are starting to warn their patients about caffeine "rebound," and an article in U.S. News & World Report listed caffeine addiction as a major cause of fatigue, including a "crash" that occurs after caffeine "buzz" wears off. People who become aware of this powerful influence on energy and mood and take steps to improve their energy naturally can experience remarkable improvements in their quality of life.

Caffeine Blues By Stephen Cherniske MS, page 119

"Adrenal fatigue"

The caffeine connection has been hidden by the fact that treatment for adrenal dysfunction disorders tends to be shortsighted and one-dimensional. As I have explained before, understanding the health effects of caffeine requires a long view, perhaps encompassing most of one's lifetime. And from that long-term view, a two-phase phenomenon is revealed.

Caffeine Blues By Stephen Cherniske MS, page 205

Another concern is that caffeine addiction often occurs along with other substance abuses, nicotine and sugar most commonly. Caffeine, like sugar, over stimulates the adrenals and then weakens them with persistent or chronic use. First, sugar stimulates and weakens the adrenals, which creates fatigue. Then we use caffeine to keep us aware and awake, further depleting our adrenals, to which many respond by drinking more caffeine with sugar. In addition, people who overuse caffeine tend to need more tranquilizers and sleeping pills to help them relax or sleep.

Staying Healthy With Nutrition by Elson M Haas MD, page 937

Reduce or eliminate caffeine from your diet. Caffeine puts additional stress on your adrenal glands.

Enhancing Heart Health by Matthew budoff MD FACC, page 61

But caffeine overstimulates the nerves and glands. It drains the adrenal system, damages the thyroid, and can trigger heart arrhythmias. In female and male menopause, caffeine plays a role: Breast cysts and lumps are common in women, while men suffer from caffeine-induced prostate problems.

Food Swings by Barnet Meltzer MD, page 56