Moderators lazarus Posted June 13, 2007 Moderators Posted June 13, 2007 I was surfing through the video feeds on the website churchpond, and I saw and heard some young rapper doing what it do at the 11am worship svc at some sda church in Tennessee somewhere. So it's out there. I need to check that out, it sounds interesting. I guess 3abn won't be doing that anytime soon. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Moderators lazarus Posted June 13, 2007 Moderators Posted June 13, 2007 Here's a twist. A hassidic reggae artist. This is a guy I really like. Matisyahu. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hip2i9yHZ38&mode=related&search= Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Moderators John317 Posted June 13, 2007 Moderators Posted June 13, 2007 By Da T.R.U.T.HWho would have known that a couple of guys from Columbine Would come from behind?put guns to the spine Of some innocent people? the teachers, the students... Thanks for this information. I'll reread it more carefully tomorrow and then plan to go out and look up some Christian CDs. I want to see the kids' reactions to them. Some ask me study the Bible with them or pray. And at night sometimes I see them kneeling praying at their bedside in the dark. So there's a desire for good in their hearts even though they have to act like they're hard and bad for their homies. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Moderators lazarus Posted June 13, 2007 Moderators Posted June 13, 2007 There's another guy, Tim Brindle, He's perhaps not as high profile but his lyrics are heavily scriptural. I think he's on an independent label but he's sharp..... http://cdbaby.com/cd/brindle Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Moderators Bravus Posted June 13, 2007 Moderators Posted June 13, 2007 I just wanted to mention that I really liked olger's approach. It wasn't (as far as I could tell) 'rock music is always evil and never to be used for worship', it was 'for me, with my history and life experience, rock brings up associations or reactions I don't need and isn't appropriate for worship'. That kind of maturity and self-knowledge is something we sorely need in the church. D Quote Truth is important
Neil D Posted June 13, 2007 Posted June 13, 2007 I just wanted to mention that I really liked olger's approach. It wasn't (as far as I could tell) 'rock music is always evil and never to be used for worship', it was 'for me, with my history and life experience, rock brings up associations or reactions I don't need and isn't appropriate for worship'. That kind of maturity and self-knowledge is something we sorely need in the church. You are correct, Bravus. It is something that is sorely needed in our church. And I have to admit, I was not paying that close of attention to Olger's approach to rap. To which, I appologize for ignoring that... Personally, I think that rap is ok, but not the best type of music for listening. It's fun, but I prefer a different type of music...and I know you all are gonna groan, but I like the easy listening stuff. Unfortunately, most music today has to have every type of musical instrument in it and the singer has to swallow the mike just to begin to be considered acceptable. That's not to say that music is evil...it isn't..Most is just not music,nor easy listening... I need to go to those guitar or piano/guitar concerts where a couple of guys [or girls] just put out their best talent with a couple of intruments... Quote Democracy is a device that ensures we shall be governed no better than we deserve. George Bernard Shaw
Moderators lazarus Posted June 13, 2007 Moderators Posted June 13, 2007 I just wanted to mention that I really liked olger's approach. It wasn't (as far as I could tell) 'rock music is always evil and never to be used for worship', it was 'for me, with my history and life experience, rock brings up associations or reactions I don't need and isn't appropriate for worship'. That kind of maturity and self-knowledge is something we sorely need in the church. D Perhaps, I didn't clearly express what I mean't. I wasn't saying that Olger's approach was "rock is the devils music". I was simply saying that some folks say that and that is where the problem lies. When I stated that I didn't like country its was to say that I can understand Olger's chosing not to worship with 60's music. Its about experience and personal taste. Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
David Koot Posted June 13, 2007 Posted June 13, 2007 Here's a question to stir up controversy. Do all forms of music belong in the sanctuary during divine worship hour? What kind of service should the divine hour be? Should it be "stand still and know that he is God?" Or is it "praise him with the timbrel and dance?" I would say, absolutely not. NOt all forms of music belong in the sanctuary during divine worship. As for rock, which has been mentioned on this thread, yes, without a doubt I believe it to be satanic. It has a demonstrable, physiological effect on the listener. It appeals to the carnal nature. No matter what the lyrics, the music itself is inappropriate for the worship of a holy God. As for the praise which the psalmist refers to, that was not rock music, nor was the 'dance' which they engaged in as a cultural phenomenon, like the social dancing we think of today, as studies have shown. That being said, I believe there is a wide range of music which can be appropriate for Divine worship. Dave Quote
David Koot Posted June 13, 2007 Posted June 13, 2007 Coming out of the 60's, there is some music that I cannot worship God with. Olger? Olger? The grave, virtuous Olger, at some point listened to THAT kind of music? What is the world coming to??!! Quote
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted June 13, 2007 Members Posted June 13, 2007 Here's a twist. A hassidic reggae artist. This is a guy I really like. Matisyahu. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hip2i9yHZ38&mode=related&search= This was sort of cool. The only problem is that I couldn't understand a good 1/4 of the lyrics. I tend to like to understand the words to music....kinda like when I look at a picture, I like to know what it is supposed to be... Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Moderators John317 Posted June 13, 2007 Moderators Posted June 13, 2007 There's another guy, Tim Brindle, He's perhaps not as high profile but his lyrics are heavily scriptural. I think he's on an independent label but he's sharp..... http://cdbaby.com/cd/brindle I just recognize that God has ways of using different types of music to reach people who may not listen to other kinds of music, just like God can reach people through Christian drama and other art forms. I work with kids who wouldn't listen to any other kind of music than rap. Whether particular kinds of music is appropriate for worship service will depend on a person's cultural/social/ethnic background. I love the traditional Christian hymns like the Old Rugged Cross and Tell Me the Old Old Story, but I realize there are many who find these songs boring and spiritually unstimulating. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
Members rudywoofs (Pam) Posted June 13, 2007 Members Posted June 13, 2007 There's a lot of congregational singing of hymns where I go to church. But there's something missing. The song leaders just get up front with a hymnal, and stand there and sing like wooden people. I think it would help to have a little bit of nonverbal communication when people lead out in singing... just my imo... Quote Pam Meddle Not In the Affairs of Dragons; for You Are Crunchy and Taste Good with Ketchup. If we all sang the same note in the choir, there'd never be any harmony. Funny, isn't it, how we accept Grace for ourselves and demand justice for others?
Moderators lazarus Posted June 13, 2007 Moderators Posted June 13, 2007 Here's an acrostic i've shared with our Praise team leaders. I got it from a worship conference website. 1. Leading Worship – EMBRACE the Body of Christ (the church; the primary voice of the church) E = EYE CONTACT – Connect with people; it shows believability, and presents a line of site to the people you’re trying to reach. M = MEMORIZED – If you’re trying to connect with the people, you can’t do it if you’re reading the words. It takes commitment by singers and musicians. Suggestion: record rehearsal and practice to it later. “God deserves the best we have to offer.” B = BODY (MOVEMENT) – Includes clapping and arm movement; this action “gets in touch with feelings and expressions of the heart.” Give yourself permission. It takes leadership to help this. R = READY – It takes forethought to make things flow seamlessly. Needs to be an awareness of what will take place with the “mechanics,” the technical aspects of the worship session. Avoid awkwardness. Anticipate what will happen next. A = AWARENESS – See what is happening in the congregation. Be flexible; be aware of the song leader’s direction. Go with the flow of the moment. Use hand signals to communicate with your team. Spontaneity. Technical people also need to be aware. C = CONVERTIBLE – Be ready to change; anticipation. Be in touch. Have fun. E = ENJOY – Love the worship! Think of it as “heaven practice.” Not sure about the word convertible though!!!!!! Quote Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities. The latter cannot understand it when a man does not thoughtlessly submit to hereditary prejudices but honestly and courageously uses his intelligence. Einstein
Moderators John317 Posted June 13, 2007 Moderators Posted June 13, 2007 There's a lot of congregational singing of hymns where I go to church. But there's something missing. The song leaders just get up front with a hymnal, and stand there and sing like wooden people. I think it would help to have a little bit of nonverbal communication when people lead out in singing... just my imo... Yes, that's too true in many congregations. I think our churches need to have more training of people who lead out in the song service. I've seen some really good, talented people do it, but then like you I've seen my share of wooden ones too. I think too often pastors don't give enough attention to getting that part of the service right. Not everyone is suited to it any more than everyone should feel it is necessary for them to preach a sermon. When it is done right, singing hymns can be a great influence for good. It's something churches should really work at. Quote John 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. [17] For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
David Koot Posted June 13, 2007 Posted June 13, 2007 A worship team can make a huge difference. Put the words on the screen, have two or three people up front who can lead the singing, and have a good stage presence. Also, have a variety of music. We use a mixture of hymns and praise choruses, with appropriate accompaniment, and it works well. Dave Quote
David Koot Posted June 13, 2007 Posted June 13, 2007 I just recognize that God has ways of using different types of music to reach people who may not listen to other kinds of music, just like God can reach people through Christian drama and other art forms. I work with kids who wouldn't listen to any other kind of music than rap. Whether particular kinds of music is appropriate for worship service will depend on a person's cultural/social/ethnic background. I must disagree. It is never appropriate to bring the world into the church in order to reach people. That is what the Ante-Nicene church did, which lead to terrible apostasy. It is not being like the world that draws people to Christ. It is the presence and power of the Holy Spirit. Dave Quote
olger Posted June 13, 2007 Posted June 13, 2007 Originally Posted By: olger Coming out of the 60's, there is some music that I cannot worship God with. Olger? Olger? The grave, virtuous Olger, at some point listened to THAT kind of music? What is the world coming to??!! I know... Dreadful isn't it? Might be a sign of the times . But seriously, there were many of us Anabaptist children that attended public school in those days and thus we were exposed to a lot of worldy stuff. I bought into it for about 5 years (from 17-22). Then one day I burned all those old 8-track tapes. The smoke drifing out over the east cornfield didn't stunt their growth near as much as it did mine while listening to it. repentant olger Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
Members phkrause Posted June 13, 2007 Members Posted June 13, 2007 I agree with you dave. I went to a wedding in florida this past feb/march. And on the sabbath we went to the boynton beach adventist church and they had pretty much exactly what you are talking about with the screen and people up front leading out. It was one of our greatest sabbaths we've ever been a part of. They sang songs from the psalms in english and hebrew. It was awesome worshipping God. pkrause Quote phkrause When the righteous are in authority, the people rejoice; But when a wicked man rules, the people groan. Proverbs 29;2
olger Posted June 14, 2007 Posted June 14, 2007 Sounds good. How was the weather? 100% chance of perspiration probably.. olger Quote "Please don't feed the drama queens.."
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