If Paris Hilton was a Redhead

[Planey]

I was getting all my sources from Fox news

On the other hand, if you are depending for your disinformation from FauxNews, we should definitely not depend on you to dripfeed us.

[Dr. Shane]

Some people just have a burning resentment for FOXNews that they cannot even allow it to be a source of news for another without insulting them for watching. I am sure the sheriffs interview as broadcast on FOXNews was exactly the same as it was broadcast on other news networks. What are they going to do, silence his voice and dub in with another to change the story?

FOXNews is doing what other networks haven't done historically. If you don't like it, don't watch it but find some place else to bury that hatchet other into other people that prefer them as a news source.

[lazarus]

The problem is that Fox are not a real news service.

[CyberGuy]

Originally Posted By: CyberGuy

I was getting all my sources from Fox news

On the other hand, if you are depending for your disinformation from FauxNews, we should definitely not depend on you to dripfeed us.

GOOD GRIEF. I was quoting from a LIVE broadcast of Sheriff Baca's news announcement. As Shange pointed it this was carried live on CNN and MSNBC as well as ABC NBC and CBS. I just saw it on Fox.

The quote above from that news conference was from another news source.

And by the way. Almost all the news guys were mocking Paris Hilton. I guess we should throw that out. Wait I agree about that. LOL Yes throw out the mocking news casters from Fox news. Guys like Bill O'Rilly and Hanitty and others.

No I do not take what news casters say. They are biased against Hilton just like most of you are for the same reasons. She is a Rich Spoilt child. Many thing she deserves prison just for that.

[CyberGuy]

The problem is that Fox are not a real news service.

I got my source quote from Fox news where they had a live broadcast of Sheriff Baca. I ignored all the commentary afterwards for almost all the Fox news guys were mocking Paris except for Geraldo and Combs.

[CyberGuy]

Yes I saw the News conference with Sheriff Baca on Fox but I got his quotes from other news magazines that were quoting his news conferences quotes. So if you dislike Fox so much it does not matter. My quotes were from other sources that I quoted here on ClubAdventist. I just heard it first on Fox news from Sheriff Baca's own mouth.

[Woody]

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That fact about the 10 percent of time served on average for misdemeanors was said by the sheriff at the news conference. It was all over the news yesterday. I did not make that up.

How much time do those who offended while on probation get?

[lazarus]

I'm sorry I started this thread....what came over me?

[Neil D]

Why?

We have touched on several topics here while talking about PH.

We have talked about the justice system, and the fairness of the justice system between poor and rich, and we have talked about news angencys and news sources...We have touched upon the reliablity of such sources and we have even dabbled in our favorite pasttime- The "I'm better than you" syndrome....

[/TIC]

We have communicated many things from this thread...Don't be sorry, Lazuras...be glad...

[lazarus]

..We have touched upon the reliablity of such sources and we have even dabbled in our favorite pasttime- The "I'm better than you" syndrome....

....speechless....!!!!

[Dr. Shane]

I don't think it is a bad thing to be harsher on celebrities than on regular people as it sends a message to the public as a whole. Some are saying she should be treated equal but I don't agree at all. When my neighbor gets a DWI a bunch of other people don't look up to him, follow him and make him an example. Celebrities occupy a role in the public where they are looked up to and thus when they commit crimes they should be made examples of.

Over 15,000 people die each year in the US alone due to drunk drivers. This should outrage us much more than it does. Anyone with any sympathy for Paris Hilton needs to take another look at her crime.

[CyberGuy]

I'm sorry I started this thread....what came over me?

If you had not I would have. I just looked for a Paris Hilton thread and found this one. If there was not one I would have started one. So do not feel bad. LOL

[CyberGuy]

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That fact about the 10 percent of time served on average for misdemeanors was said by the sheriff at the news conference. It was all over the news yesterday. I did not make that up.

How much time do those who offended while on probation get?

ALL misdemeanor offenses serve only about 10 percent of their time bacause the jails are overflowed with felons to dangerous to let out. This was stated by Sheriff Baca. Paris Hilton is not considered to be a threat to society. Her only crime for the longer sentence serving the full term is being rich and snobbish. Which is not a crime by the way much as others would like the jail sentence extended for those offenses

[CyberGuy]

I don't think it is a bad thing to be harsher on celebrities than on regular people as it sends a message to the public as a whole. Some are saying she should be treated equal but I don't agree at all. When my neighbor gets a DWI a bunch of other people don't look up to him, follow him and make him an example. Celebrities occupy a role in the public where they are looked up to and thus when they commit crimes they should be made examples of.

Over 15,000 people die each year in the US alone due to drunk drivers. This should outrage us much more than it does. Anyone with any sympathy for Paris Hilton needs to take another look at her crime.

Shane again you seem to be holding the DUI against Paris Hilton. THAT CHARGE WAS DROPPED in the plea bargain. The ONLY charge she plead no contest to was reckless driving. So you cannot bring that into the discussion as that is NOT what she was officially legally found guilty of. So yes all people Rich or Poor, Celebrities or Unknowns should be treated the same. That is the whole point of the massive protest. People thought Paris was getting a Get out of jail card due to her Celebrity status. That was not true. She served the time almost every one else serves for the SAME offense when she was let out early serving 10 percent of her time.

[Dr. Shane]

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I just looked for a Paris Hilton thread and found this one.

I started one last month in the Poll section.

Paris Off To Jail

[Dr. Shane]

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Shane again you seem to be holding the DUI against Paris Hilton. THAT CHARGE WAS DROPPED in the plea bargain. The ONLY charge she plead no contest to was reckless driving. So you cannot bring that into the discussion as that is NOT what she was officially legally found guilty of.

WRONG! This is not a court of law, it is a discussion board. Prosecutors shouldn't even have the discretion to reduce the charges from DUI to reckless driving. Thousands dies each year at the hands of these people. DWI/DUI should be made a felony. Celebrities guilty of them most certainly should be made examples of.

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all people Rich or Poor, Celebrities or Unknowns should be treated the same.

Wrong! Those that make their living off from being in the public spotlight have a greater responsibility to the public and thus should receive greater sentences for their crimes which are a betrayal of the public they make their living off from.

[CyberGuy]

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Shane again you seem to be holding the DUI against Paris Hilton. THAT CHARGE WAS DROPPED in the plea bargain. The ONLY charge she plead no contest to was reckless driving. So you cannot bring that into the discussion as that is NOT what she was officially legally found guilty of.

WRONG! This is not a court of law, it is a discussion board. Prosecutors shouldn't even have the discretion to reduce the charges from DUI to reckless driving. Thousands dies each year at the hands of these people. DWI/DUI should be made a felony. Celebrities guilty of them most certainly should be made examples of.

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all people Rich or Poor, Celebrities or Unknowns should be treated the same.

Wrong! Those that make their living off from being in the public spotlight have a greater responsibility to the public and thus should receive greater sentences for their crimes which are a betrayal of the public they make their living off from.

Shane the prosecutors do have that option nethertheless and for good reason. As Sheriff Baca pointed out the prison system in california is overloaded. Tax payers do not want to pay for more prisons and state law does state how many can be in a cell. So lesser offenses are let out early to make room for the dangerous felons.

Now the DUI charge was dropped. If it were not the Hiltons would have tied that charge up in the courts for years. The prosecuter knew that so he dropped the charge for the reckless driving charge which is a misdemeanor.

If we start allowing judges to treat rich or poor more harshly because of the status or lack of status then what is the difference to start charging the poor more harshly because they cannot defend themselves. What is the difference?

You say Paris Hilton is a role Model. That is a joke. If you hear the other NON SDA forums mock her and describe in detail how they wish she were raped or beat up in prison and very few coming to her defense you would not say that.

She is no role model. Yes people want her money and power and beauty but not her reputation.

[lazarus]

The reason why I'm sorry is that I:

1. Started the thread with a "Fox question"

2. Now feel sorry for her.....that contorted little face looking out of the window.

3. Have my name under a thread that has Paris Hilton in it.

4. Feel like the Rita Cosby of CA.

[CyberGuy]

Start a thread on a controversal topic and what do you expect? (

[CyberGuy]

My point is this. You want Paris Punished for the DUI charge that was dropped. Legally that just is not possible.

State law states that for every day served one gets credit for two days if one behaves themselves. Crying is NOT considered misbehaving. Sorry to disappoint you. LOL

Also it is up to the sheriff to keep the prisons uncrowded and he has the authority to release misdeanor prisons at his discresion. That also in proscedure. Some legal experts are questioning the judges decision to step in and overule what has been considered precedance of the sheriff handling the jails and releasing prisons when it gets crowded.

Also singling out Paris for harsher treatment than the average person. If she appealed she would win but that would take more time than her sentence would be and also would be bad PR so her people are letting her serve the 23 days.

[Dr. Shane]

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Shane the prosecutors do have that option nethertheless and for good reason.

The state legislature could change that - and should. Drunk drivers kill more Americans each year than terrorists. Understand? People like Paris Hilton kill more people than people like Osama bin Laden. Get the picture? They are public enemies.

Reckless driving is a minor offense. A person can be guilty of reckless driving because they are changing the radio station or their kids are screaming in the back seat. There is never an occasion when a DWI/DUI should be reduced to reckless driving.

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the Hiltons would have tied that charge up in the courts for years.

Perhaps but that is conjecture. We simply don't know if that is true or not. Nevertheless we must not overlook that the reason they got the charges reduced was because of their money. The judge knew that. It is not any more unreasonable for the judge to treat her more strictly because of her money than it was for the prosecutor to treat her more lenient because of her money.

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If we start allowing judges to treat rich or poor more harshly because of the status or lack of status then what is the difference to start charging the poor more harshly because they cannot defend themselves. What is the difference?

Judges are allowed to use discretion now. So we don't need to "start" allowing them something they are already allowed. Judges are often lenient to poor defendants for a variety reasons. The poor are given a public defender in an attempt to level the playing field. Public defenders are often either less experienced, overloaded or both. So it doesn't level the playing field completely by any means. It is a good system but not a perfect one.

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You say Paris Hilton is a role Model. That is a joke.

I have seen her picture on the front of teen magazines more than once. Teenage girls that read these magazines obviously follow her and many other celebrities. Again, if these celebrities are going to profit off from the public they need to be held accountable when they betray the public too.

[Amelia]

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The reason why I'm sorry is that I:

1. Started the thread with a "Fox question"

2. Now feel sorry for her.....that contorted little face looking out of the window.

3. Have my name under a thread that has Paris Hilton in it.

4. Feel like the Rita Cosby of CA.

Now I see our Laz and The Pastor in conflict.

[David Koot]

Nevertheless we must not overlook that the reason they got the charges reduced was because of their money.

Shane, that is fully bogus. Anyone who has been significantly involved in the court system will know better. CyberGuy has, and I have.

[CyberGuy]

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Shane the prosecutors do have that option nethertheless and for good reason.

The state legislature could change that - and should. Drunk drivers kill more Americans each year than terrorists. Understand? People like Paris Hilton kill more people than people like Osama bin Laden. Get the picture? They are public enemies.

Reckless driving is a minor offense. A person can be guilty of reckless driving because they are changing the radio station or their kids are screaming in the back seat. There is never an occasion when a DWI/DUI should be reduced to reckless driving.

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the Hiltons would have tied that charge up in the courts for years.

Perhaps but that is conjecture. We simply don't know if that is true or not. Nevertheless we must not overlook that the reason they got the charges reduced was because of their money. The judge knew that. It is not any more unreasonable for the judge to treat her more strictly because of her money than it was for the prosecutor to treat her more lenient because of her money.

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If we start allowing judges to treat rich or poor more harshly because of the status or lack of status then what is the difference to start charging the poor more harshly because they cannot defend themselves. What is the difference?

Judges are allowed to use discretion now. So we don't need to "start" allowing them something they are already allowed. Judges are often lenient to poor defendants for a variety reasons. The poor are given a public defender in an attempt to level the playing field. Public defenders are often either less experienced, overloaded or both. So it doesn't level the playing field completely by any means. It is a good system but not a perfect one.

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You say Paris Hilton is a role Model. That is a joke.

I have seen her picture on the front of teen magazines more than once. Teenage girls that read these magazines obviously follow her and many other celebrities. Again, if these celebrities are going to profit off from the public they need to be held accountable when they betray the public too.

To your first answer about laws to make it mandatory. Not going to work as I said it is up to the prosecutors what the decide to prosecute. They are overloaded with case loads. If the state starts making prosecution mandatory it will backlog the system for years longer than it already is. Already a criminal case takes six to 12 months to go to trial under the best circumstances.

My solution is more effective. After the first DUI charge make ait a law that the car they drive has to have one of those breath analyzers that would test their breath and only allow the car to start if they are sober. That technology is out there NOW. It would be far more effective than making laws that simply will not work since one cannot force prosecution in any case.

It is a known fact that if you do not give some incentive to plea bargain the charge down people will go to court and take their changes with the courts.

TO the second response

Already in Riverside where I live the DA will not plea bargain much and the results is the courts are overloaded with criminal cases. So much so that there is no room for civil cases. People have to go to LA or Orange County to file civil cases because Riverside just does not have the time or judges to try civil cases. They are even bring judges out of retirement to help with the case loads and it is not enough.

As to the reckless driving response.

Yes that can be the case. I to have been guilty of changing the radio station and coming up on a red light that changed while I was looking down. I almost hit a car. Scared me really bad. Both of us I imagine. Fortunely no cops were around and no one was hurt. I did manage to avoid the guy by some fancy manuvering. But from what you said that would be reckless driving. I doubt that if caught I would have served prison time for that if caught by the cops though as I was stone sober. Still from your definition I was guilty of reckless driving.

On Jan 1 2008 it is illegal to drive while holding a cell phone. Still only an infraction though with a stiff fine. Everyone get those Bluetooth earpieces now.

I looked at that light later in the day. It changed from Green to red with only about 1 and half second yellow light. Far to little. No wonder it caught me by surprise.

Believe me I do not change radio stations while driving on city streets any more. I use the auto settings now. I am NOT defending my action just stating we all have been guilty of changing the radio while driving and bad things can happen if we do that.

[CyberGuy]

Originally Posted By: Shane

Nevertheless we must not overlook that the reason they got the charges reduced was because of their money.

Shane, that is fully bogus. Anyone who has been significantly involved in the court system will know better. CyberGuy has, and I have.

Shane has a point but it just did not come out right.

If one hires high priced lawyers one can get the same kind of justice Paris did and I mean the lesser sentence from a DUI charge. But one has to have the means to pay for those lawyers.

Case in point.

My sister had her husband put in prison and the judge fined her husband $800,000 as well. Well federal law states that retirement funds are untouchable by federal fines. My brother in law had $200,000 in retirement fund. My sister needed that money to run the house while her husband was in jail.

The Feds tried to get that money but the judge ruled that the money could not be touched as federal law mandated. Yet the Federal lawyer told my sister she would keep appealing until my sister ran out of money or until she sighned over half of that money to the feds and signed a document saying she would not sue later for that money.

My sister out of money caved in. Had she had the funds and the feds knew that they would not have tried that tactic for they were on legal ground they could not win if the other side had the funds to fight them.

My sister could not. So yes if you are rich you are more able to take advantage of the loopholes in the legal system than if you are not simply because you cannot afford the $100 plus fees lawyers charge per hour.