Illegals

[K]

I think the role of the feds is to enforce the laws that we have. It would take a lot of resources that are already spread pretty thin to protect our borders well enough to stop the steady stream.

If the employers were punished as the should be for hiring illegals, then there would be nobody crossing the border because they could not gain employment.

It doesn't seem like rocket science to me.

[Dr. Shane]

Nice to see you back K. I have missed you in our cyber community.

If we are going to hold employers responsible, as we must, we need to provide them a reliable means of verifying an applicant's legal status. A national ID with photo, magnetic strip and thumb print does that.

[K]

The only problem I have with your statement is the fact that you said IF. It is the current law that illegals are not supposed to be working. It is the current law that employers should be punished. IF is why we have the problem.

I am surprised too about your national ID card idea. It seems like the "mark of the beast thingy to me."

We should be able to plug in a person's SSN and know immediately if it is good. Isn't that already a national ID. We live in the age of fast information. I don't understand why it is so hard to figure out who is here officially and who is not.

[Dr. Shane]

Mark of the beast is Sunday sacredness. It has nothing to do with national IDs. Many nations have national IDs and they are not enforcing the mark of the beast. We do have a national ID. It is called a passport. However not everyone is required to get one.

Employers do check for documents. However they are not policemen or immigration officers. Social security numbers are often sold. Many Hispanics have the same last name (Garcia, Gonzalez, Sanchez, Rodriguez, etc) which makes it even harder for employers to verify if someone's papers are fake or not.

A national id with a picture, thumb print and magnetic strip would make it almost impossible for illegals to get fake documents.

[K]

Wouldn't it solve both of our problems if you had to plug a SSN in a computer and then either scan someone's retina or make them put their thumb print into the computer. It would be pretty hard to fake the thumb or the retina scan.

Oh and please dont mention the word passport. . . . We know that they are inudated right now with requests. Can you imagine if we did the passport as a national ID. Now that is kind of scarey.

What is your thought of the rental property owners in Farmer's Branch now having to police their potential renters for legality.

[Dr. Shane]

I don't think landlords should have to verify legal status at all. That is only going to lead to racial discrimination as a means to avoid accidentally renting to an illegal.

[Amelia]

You have to provide legal status for many things, why not for renting? I don't see any discrimination at all. Oh well, unless you mean discriminaion against illegals? Mexicans aren't the only illegals in this country, just the most visable.

[K]

I am a landlord. I would stop renting to anyone with an accent.

I had a brother and a sister with nice cars, SSN, hard working, both had jobs, but I think that one of their full time guests that moved in without my permission was not legal. My contract was not with the person who I suspected as illegal, but with the people I thought were legal.

I wonder what the law in Farmer's Branch would do with me.

[lazarus]

I don't think landlords should have to verify legal status at all. That is only going to lead to racial discrimination as a means to avoid accidentally renting to an illegal.

Originally Posted By: k

I am a landlord. I would stop renting to anyone with an accent.

[Woody]

Originally Posted By: Shane

I don't think landlords should have to verify legal status at all. That is only going to lead to racial discrimination as a means to avoid accidentally renting to an illegal.

REDWOOD:

There is nothing wrong with withholding privileges from someone who is deceiving you in trying to obtain them. If the landlord discriminates against someone who is legally here then they should be liable though.

Originally Posted By: k

I am a landlord. I would stop renting to anyone with an accent.

"I am a landlord. I would stop renting to anyone with an accent."

REDWOOD : This would make you just as guilty and illegal as the illegals.

[Norman Byers, N.D.]

Hi K,

Quote:

I am a landlord. I would stop renting to anyone with an accent.

Denise and I rent out a home and I would not rent to any person regardless of race, who is illegal. Several reason:

1st, Rom 13:1 Everyone must obey state authorities, because no authority exists without God's permission, and the existing authorities have been put there by God.

2nd, I have neighbors who are law abiding and good people, what kind of a witness would I have by renting to illegals? Folks, illegals act somewhat different than legals that is just fact and I would not want it to be known that I am renting to an illegal and have that detroy my witness for Christ

3rd, This is from a business aspect; if they wrecked my house and left, I would have no recourse to recover my expenditures.

4th, I have no way of knowing who they are or what they have done. I cannot do a background check.

Those are some of the reasons why I would not rent to illegals from any country, even from my own country, Canada.

This also means that I must obey the speed limit or else I have just become a hypocrit.

Norman

[Amelia]

Quote:

This also means that I must obey the speed limit or else I have just become a hypocrit.

LOL

[Dr. Shane]

An illegal can buy a fake Social Security Card that belongs to an American citizen named Frank Gonzalez. Along with that fake SS card he gets a fake birth certificate and a fake driver license.

Now Frank Gonzalez is a real person and an American-born citizen. So when Señor Illegal shows up asking for a job and to rent an apartment with his picture on the fake driver license and Frank Gonzalez's name, SS card and birth certificate, how is a landlord or employer going to know if the applicant is the real Frank Gonzalez?

Now lets consider the national ID. Mr. Señor somehow gets a fake national ID with his picture and thumb print on it. The employer swipes the magnetic strip through his credit card machine so that Visa or Mastercard can verify and instantly he knows it is fake. If somehow they were high-tech enough to get Frank Gonzales' information encoded into the magnetic strip the computer would prompt the employer to call for verification since the Voice of Prophecy in Riverside, California is paying the SS withholdings for Frank Gonzalez and Señor Illegal is in Houston, Texas trying to get a job. The national ID will stop illegal immigration immediately.

[Amelia]

{SHUDDERS} Do I really want my fingerprint out there?

[Woody]

{SHUDDERS} Do I really want my fingerprint out there?

If you have something to hide ... probably not.

[Amelia]

I have nothing to hide. I've never been printed for anything. That's why I don't want my prints out there for anyone to use for nefarious purposes.

[K]

How am I going to be able to check the status of those who rent from me. If you can give me a guaranteed way to check people's status, then I won't have to worry.

There is no way to date to check a person's citizenship as a landlord. Please don't tell me the SSN. It is a thriving business to get SSNs to illegals in Texas.

[lazarus]

All he Americans I've met have accents!

[Stan]

All the Americans I've met have accents!

That is too funny.

Have you ever heard them pronounce the last letter of the alphabet?

[lazarus]

I wouldn't rent to anyone who can't say Z correctly, How about schedule, vitamin, oregano......

Barbara Bush wouldn't be able to rent in New York. Bo Deitel couldn't get an apartment in Dallas. Arriana Huffington would be on the streets!

On reflection K and Norman you won't be able to make any money, it would exclude almost everybody, I think!

[Neil D]

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There is no way to date to check a person's citizenship as a landlord. Please don't tell me the SSN. It is a thriving business to get SSNs to illegals in Texas.

I have run into internet sites that will check a person's name, and background if you supply them with proper information for about $20 per usage or $50 per month....Never had cause to use them before, but they claim that you can get background checks on everyone with a SSN or a Drivers license. IF that is true, then it is as I have said...Americans are not willing to spend money to do the background check.

[Amelia]

Actually the ID is good; for the person it actually belongs to. It's the illegal person who is the fake.

[K]

I agree with Amelia. It doesn't matter if you check because they probably have a real person's ID. Once again, would I be discriminating if I only checked certain people's background. It seems like you check everyone to be fair, or you make use other things to choose not to rent.

One of my things that I won't do is rent to a person who is not married to the other person. They may have been living together for 10 years, but the past 20 years of experience tells me that when they split up. . . . the woman ends up in the rental unable to pay.