D. Allan Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 Quote: quoting John3:17 (not the verse "but we should not hestitate to tell what we believe is the truth for fear of hurting someone's feelings. People's feelings are not as important as the truth." "what we believe is the truth" Sometimes, i postulate, peoples' feelings are much more important than what we might happen to consider 'the truth.' Why? Because when peoples feelings hurt, avenues to their hearts and minds are blocked off. We lose access to those people when we hurt them. So I hope I have hurt no one. I don't know how I come across on the screen, probably stiff, pedantic and mean. dAb O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!
Dr. Shane Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 Originally Posted By: Stan Jensen What must not happen, is to comment or tear apart someone else's statement in this thread Read repeated as needed.. Pastoral Family Counselor... Find me at www.PostumCafe.com Author of Peculiar Christianity
Woody Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 Originally Posted By: Stan Jensen Read repeated as needed.. [/quote'] This message might better be accomplished in a PM. After all it is just the request of one individual member speaking. As far as I know there are no rules that this request needs to be followed. If I am wrong about this then maybe someone can correct me. I am new here. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
Moderators Bravus Posted July 17, 2007 Moderators Posted July 17, 2007 I actually would be interested in hearing a bit of exposition on the 'two toxic faiths', Ed. Truth is important
Amelia Posted July 17, 2007 Posted July 17, 2007 Originally Posted By: Shane This message might better be accomplished in a PM. After all it is just the request of one individual member speaking. As far as I know there are no rules that this request needs to be followed. If I am wrong about this then maybe someone can correct me. I am new here. It's not just the request of a member but the owner/creator/admin of CA stating what he doesn't want to happen in this thread. <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
there buster Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose “the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.” George Orwell
Amelia Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 Quote: I guess that ignorance must be bliss for moderators who are in control. Redwood, as you have requested that John317 refrain from picking apart you and your posts, I am now requesting that you refrain from continualy picking at John317. Plus I am requesting that you also refrain from making sweeping generalizations of all moderators. This repeated pendantic reference to "controlling moderators" hurts everyone and makes you just as judgemental as you say John317 etal are. <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
Amelia Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose Assuming everyone knows french? Translatuon: History repeats itself. <p><span style="color:#0000FF;"><span style="font-weight:bold;"><span style="font-style:italic;">"Do not use harmful words, but only helpful words, the kind that build up and provide what is needed, so that what you say will do good to those who hear you."</span></span> Eph 4:29</span><br><br><img src="http://banners.wunderground.com/weathersticker/gizmotimetemp_both/US/OR/Fairview.gif" alt="Fairview.gif"> Fairview Or</p>
Woody Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 Quote: I guess that ignorance must be bliss for moderators who are in control. Redwood, as you have requested that John317 refrain from picking apart you and your posts, I am now requesting that you refrain from continualy picking at John317. Plus I am requesting that you also refrain from making sweeping generalizations of all moderators. This repeated pendantic reference to "controlling moderators" hurts everyone and makes you just as judgemental as you say John317 etal are. This might better be done in a private message. Thanks. May we be one so that the world may be won. Christian from the cradle to the grave I believe in Hematology.
David Koot Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 I actually would be interested in hearing a bit of exposition on the 'two toxic faiths', Ed. Permit me, mein herr, to make a comment about that. Being of the persuasion, 'Live and let live,' and having had first-hand exposure to and experience with a wide variety of religious faiths, and indeed lack thereof, I should like to postulate that most religious faiths are not inherently 'toxic.' I should like to invite the participation of D.Allan on this point (the 'dallan' [which is far better than being the 'red comyn'] ), if he so desires. It is not the religions themselves, it is certain practitioners. And that can apply to ANY faith. While I recognize the importance of 'truth,' I believe there are still to be found in so many faiths, some truly wonderful human beings. For example, my friend Muhammed, who is from Pakistan, and a Muslim. He is one of the kindest, nicest people I have ever known. My friend Paul, a lifelong Roman Catholic, is one of the most giving, most charitable persons I have experienced. I could go on and on. No, if there is anything that makes a religion toxic--whatever the religion--it is how particular practitioners may present and apply it. Dave
David Koot Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 I don't know how I come across on the screen, probably stiff, pedantic and mean. Nonsense! You come across like a teddy bear with class.
Moderators Jeannieb43 Posted July 18, 2007 Moderators Posted July 18, 2007 Originally Posted By: D. Allan I don't know how I come across on the screen, probably stiff, pedantic and mean. Nonsense! You come across like a teddy bear with class. D. Allan, I'm sure your personality is as David says (like a teddy bear with class)... but it's your picture (well, your avatar) that sends me into outer space! I predict you're really every bit as intelligent as Einstein.... but, do you have to have his hairstyle!!? teehe Jeannie<br /><br /><br />...Change is inevitable; growth is optional....
Moderators Bravus Posted July 18, 2007 Moderators Posted July 18, 2007 Thanks for that explanation, David. I'm not sure Ed was speaking of religious faiths specifically though: and since he has disparaged those who make assumptions and refuses to elucidate despite a polite request, I guess we'll never know. Truth is important
Moderators Bravus Posted July 18, 2007 Moderators Posted July 18, 2007 Grr, the no-edit policy strikes again. I wanted to change the above to say 'has chosen not to elucidate', which seemed fairer to me on reflection. Truth is important
Stan Posted July 18, 2007 Author Posted July 18, 2007 Just changed the edit time to 6 hours.. We used to have a problem with a couple of people, they would significantly change their post after someone had responded, making the responder look like they were, well, wacko... Hopefully those days are over.. If you receive benefit to being here please help out with expenses. https://www.paypal.me/clubadventist Administrator of a few websites like https://adventistdating.com
there buster Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 I did not disparage 'those who make assumptions,' only the act of making assumptions. It is, after all. almost always a mistake. As far as elucidating goes, it does not seem wise to do so here. When someone starts shooting at a target before they can clearly see it, that indicates an eagerness for combat that I do not think should be encouraged. “the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.” George Orwell
Guest charis Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 David K said: Quote: While I recognize the importance of 'truth,' I believe there are still to be found in so many faiths, some truly wonderful human beings. For example, my friend Muhammed, who is from Pakistan, and a Muslim. He is one of the kindest, nicest people I have ever known. My friend Paul, a lifelong Roman Catholic, is one of the most giving, most charitable persons I have experienced. While I agree with the above statement that wonderful people can be found in ANY faiths, I have found it to be expedient to remember those infamous words: "E t t u Brutus!"
David Koot Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 My esteemed colleague Bravus expressed interest in the issue of 'toxic faiths.' I'm wondering if that might be an interesting discussion topic in its own right? Particularly in view of the stated purposes and parameters of this thread. At any rate, I will start a new thread dedicated to that specific issue. Dave
Moderators Bravus Posted July 18, 2007 Moderators Posted July 18, 2007 Ack, you're absolutely right, Ed - I misspoke (on the bit I didn't even think to try to edit). You did not disparage a person but an action, and I should have captured that accurately. And thanx, Stan - now at least I'll have 6 hours for my brain to try to engage! Truth is important
there buster Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 No prob. All have sinned. . . (past tense, point) and fall short (continuing present action) Everybody makes mistakes. That's why we need erasers-- and the edit function. “the slovenliness of our language makes it easier to have foolish thoughts.” George Orwell
D. Allan Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 Originally Posted By: Bravus I actually would be interested in hearing a bit of exposition on the 'two toxic faiths', Ed. Permit me, mein herr, to make a comment about that. Being of the persuasion, 'Live and let live,' and having had first-hand exposure to and experience with a wide variety of religious faiths, and indeed lack thereof, I should like to postulate that most religious faiths are not inherently 'toxic.' I should like to invite the participation of D.Allan on this point (the 'dallan' [which is far better than being the 'red comyn'] ), if he so desires. It is not the religions themselves, it is certain practitioners. And that can apply to ANY faith. While I recognize the importance of 'truth,' I believe there are still to be found in so many faiths, some truly wonderful human beings. For example, my friend Muhammed, who is from Pakistan, and a Muslim. He is one of the kindest, nicest people I have ever known. My friend Paul, a lifelong Roman Catholic, is one of the most giving, most charitable persons I have experienced. I could go on and on. No, if there is anything that makes a religion toxic--whatever the religion--it is how particular practitioners may present and apply it. Dave Why, thank you, Dave, for that charming invitation. You, however, I feel, have stated the facts of the matter quite well. As you know, I find that many non-Christian faiths are quite admirable. Whatever one's religion it is the practice of it that determines if it is toxic or not? Or lack of practice? I'm not sure that there is not something more to it than that. Toxic religion could be defined as use of religion that makes one or others sick. Is it contagious? Much to think about here. Like you said, "if there is anything that makes a religion toxic--whatever the religion--it is how particular practitioners may present and apply it." I've a feeling it is contagious! dAb O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!
D. Allan Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 Originally Posted By: David Koot Nonsense! You come across like a teddy bear with class. [/quote'] D. Allan, I'm sure your personality is as David says (like a teddy bear with class)... but it's your picture (well, your avatar) that sends me into outer space! I predict you're really every bit as intelligent as Einstein.... but, do you have to have his hairstyle!!? teehe Oh, Wow, thank you guys!! Delicate, classy teddy-bear hugs all around for any who go in for that kind of thing. And a big bear-hug for Jeannie! dAb O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!
D. Allan Posted July 18, 2007 Posted July 18, 2007 No prob. All have sinned. . . (past tense, point) and fall short (continuing present action) Everybody makes mistakes. That's why we need erasers-- and the edit function. Edd, you've got a great beginning to a poem there! dAb O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!
Planey Posted July 19, 2007 Posted July 19, 2007 Edit Reason: Adeline Moore OK. I give up. What is that about????? Graeme Graeme____________________________________________________________________________________________________________
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