Unruly Children

[Neil D]

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Promoting our schools to the public is a great idea but not a new one.

Yeah, it is a great idea...but currently we don't. We don't have anything in front of the public on PUBLIC TV, nor any plays on PUBLIC TV, nor anything creative. We don't advertise, we don't let other know 'except by word of mouth...and even then, NO ONE in the public has ever heard of us, and if you ask them, 90% of the country thinks those schools are for "them" or "for the rich kids" and they don't think of us at all... except when we confront them with our doctrines, like what Dr Who was pointing out....And that's just plain stupidity.....

[Dr. Shane]

The Hope Channel, 3ABN and LLBN are public channels. 3ABN is actually a PUBLIC INFORMATION channel broadcast by DISH Network. Can't get any more public than that. These channels are broadcast by several cable companies as well as local UHF frequencies.

If local churches want to broadcast 30-second spots on their local channels they can contact Hope Channel or 3ABN for some promotional spots to use.

[aldona]

I just heard a radio ad for my old high school (Nunawading Adventist College) on Melbourne's Christian radio station (Light-FM).

aldona

[DrWhoCompanion]

Our church spent money and effort on a creationism workshop. It was clearly aimed at those already creationist. It was extremely mean-spirited against liberal, environmentalists, scientists, even Jacques Cousteau.

My husband called it the, "Let's Pat Ourselves on the Back Because We Have the Truth!" seminar.

I would have preferred it be aimed at those on the fence or in the evolutionist camp. The point was to change minds.

Anyway...

[olger]

Turning from error to truth is the whole point of acception Biblical Creation.

It's a brand new day !

oG

[fccool]

It's funny how the phrase is used ... " He/She was Baptized into Adventist church" . I think subliminally our idea of salvation is through our Church. The three angels messages are important, but they are irrelevant to skeptics or atheists, who view religion in general as means for money extraction and control. Approach with these types of people should be very different . We have an old communist Russian Anecdote ...

A lector has set up a lecture to talk about the communist party of Russia and its influence on ordinary people. The ads were placed and no one showed up for the lecture.

The next week the ads were placed and they were titled "Come and hear famous speaker speak about three types of love". The auditorium was filled with people, and some were sitting on the floor. So the lector began:

We all know there are three types of love. The first one is platonic love. It's boring and well explored, so we will not talk about it today. The second type is sexual love, and since there are children in the audience I will avoid contaminating their minds before due time. But there's the third type of love that I'd like to talk to you about today... and it is the love of the people and the Communist Party of Russia

I'm not saying that we should be out to deceive people, but there are many people with many interests out there, and if we relate to their interests... then we have listening ears that we can relate too and speak to people in terms that they can understand. Non-spiritual people can not understand spiritual things. So, I was always for the non-standard and creative ways of outreach. And there are tons of ways any church can do it, instead of putting all the eggs in one basket so to speak.

[Dr. Shane]

The object of creation evangelism is to re-frame the evolution-creation debate so that the Bible become valid. Our public school systems approach the issue of evolution from an entirely scientific position and as creationists we got to get people to look at the issue in a broad spectrum. Science is only one academic discipline that deals with the issue. Creationism deals with philosophy, history, mathematic, theology and science. Creation evangelism done wrongly can do more harm to the cause than good.

Creation evangelism targets everyone. It targets atheists as it may cause them to think outside the scientific box. It targets agnostics, who are not sure what to believe. It targets Christian believers of other denominations as it lifts up the Lord of the Sabbath and shows that we worship the Creator by keeping His seventh-day sabbath holy. It targets Adventist believers because it serves as a revival for the re-dedication of spiritual lives.

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My husband called it the, "Let's Pat Ourselves on the Back Because We Have the Truth!" seminar.

Now I didn't attend the seminar (which could have been done poorly) and I don't know the husband. However this testimony could tell us more about the husband than the seminar. It really isn't helpful to the discussion.

[DrWhoCompanion]

I concur with my husband. We were flabbergasted and embarrassed when the presenter showed pictures of famous evolutionists turning into apes. Mean jokes were rampant. He kept referring to the scientific magazine as "National Pornographic." It was pure schtick. Mean-spirited schtick. But, hey, he had all twenty attendees (sans us) laughing.

I just don't like hearing jokes made at others' expense. Especially at a church.

Let me tell you about my husband, Shane. He's the kindest, most generous person I know. Soft-spoken, rarely swears. He's literally given people the shirt off his back. He re-enlisted after 9/11, knowing full well what was coming. He's been on mission trips. He's taken in two children that aren't his and treated them as his own.

It's no matter. We're done with that church. I wanted badly to hang in there. I love the people there, despite our political or theological differences. It's inconsequential. I feel like the point is that we're in this together. It's all about my walk with God, despite any human being. I came clean with a couple of the leaders there. They suggested my family go elsewhere.

I'm not a benchwarmer. I don't go to church to have something to do one day a week. I got for spiritual nourishment. I go to fellowship with fellow soldiers in the social justice fight Jesus was in. If my son cannot be in Adventurers or I cannot be on committee because it "got out" that my husband "was seen buying alcohol" and it "got out" that I am not a "recent creationist" or whatever the nomenclature... I don't need that.

This is my last semester at school. I have three kids to take care of. I lost not one, but BOTH of my dads within a month. My husband is deploying next week. Best friend dumped me because I have started homeschooling and she's jealous/resentful/whatever her head trip is. Did I mention my husband is leaving in a matter of days? He's just been home from Iraq for a year. Most of that he's been in training at another base in the US.

So, the kids and I need support, not criticism. I'm really, really sick of hearing how I CAN'T paint my toenails, nor wear my wedding band. It was a big step for a yoga teacher/former Buddhist/Unitarian Universalist seminary student to go to church. All I've heard since October is, "You need to lose weight" (all 20 pounds of it) and "Women are supposed to have long hair and dresses." "Your daughter can't wear slacks to church!" "Why do you have tattoos?" We've been trying.

Right now, I'm so unbelievably angry. I have no idea why God lead me to this church. None. I'm certain there was a reason. But right now, the kids and I are being warmly welcomed back by the Unitarian Church, and by the lovely Episcopal church downtown.

[Dr. Shane]

Satan often uses cold and judgmental people to run hurting people out of God's remnant church. I looked for an area where Adventism was warm and sent out my resumes there. Where I use to live, it was so cold in the church one could ice skate in the aisles. One has options. 1) move to an area with warmer Adventist churchs. 2) start their own Adventist church (or company) 3) abandon the Adventist church for a compromised denomination 4) completely give up on God. One may try writing a letter with their frustrations to the Conference president before making any of those choices.

My wife paints her toe nails, finger nails, eye lids and cheeks. She wears a wedding ring and sometimes even earrings to church. I wear a wedding band and sit on the church board. But I am a recent creationist and those that aren't may do well to avoid the subject within the church unless they are prepared for conflict. With an open-mind, even a theistic evolutionist can become a recent creationist or learn how to worship with them without constant conflict. Recent creationists are going to tell jokes about evolution. It is a means of contrasting our beliefs with others. Humor can be a very effective way of getting a message across. So I wouldn't hold that against anyone.

[Neil D]

The Hope Channel, 3ABN and LLBN are public channels. 3ABN is actually a PUBLIC INFORMATION channel broadcast by DISH Network. Can't get any more public than that. These channels are broadcast by several cable companies as well as local UHF frequencies.

If local churches want to broadcast 30-second spots on their local channels they can contact Hope Channel or 3ABN for some promotional spots to use.

I hate to break this to you, shane, but Hope channel, LLU, et al are all PRIVATELY owned stations.., but they do broadcast PUBLICALLY...or on distrubuted PUBLICALLY thru PRIVATELY owned cable channels....

What I was refering to was PBS, or Public Broadcasting System, usually getting thier moneys from the goverment, and publically getting charitable contributions. Usually, they also air the PBS programs that I have heard that you like to watch from time to time, ie the nature programs, or NOVA et al.

It is required by the goverment, that all cable channels make available to the public a place where the public can air programs that the public has made. Usually this includes some school projects required by a media teacher from a local college or such...

And usually, they are crying out for publicly made programs...the more the merrier as they hate to repeat the programs a lot. A great medium for an aspiring producer/actor/writer for evangelism...

[Dr. Shane]

Oh yes, it is called public access. Not only do cable companies have to provide this public access but satellite companies like DISH and DirecTV have to as well. DISH and DirecTV do this by giving non-profit channels air time(i.e. 3ABN). 3ABN is a "public information" channel on DISH Network.

I also know of many churches that put Adventist programs - like Amazing Facts - on their local cable public access channel. Indeed, they are starving for programming. I know of one family that found their way to the Adventist church because of Amazing Facts being broadcast on the local cable public access channel.

Little doubt about the great work the Adventist church is doing in media. We are out in front with the latest technology and as far as I know, we always have been since HMS Richards started preparing the way of the Lord via radio.