Elder Darnall's dream

[BobRyan]

It is kinda like saying "read all the text not just a tiny filtered sentence or two".

(You can lead a horse to water...)

in Christ,

Bob

[TreeOfLife]

”The Day of Pentecost”

Sunday or Saturday?

- What Does it Matter?

Originally Posted By: Redwood

If in doubt ... condemn them.

In Matt 12:31-32 Jesus said it was the "unpardonable sin" to condemn the work of the Holy Spirit.

So for those who are interested "in what the Bible says" that course is "not the safe one".

Originally Posted By: Ellen White

Those who are devoid of the Holy Spirit cannot be faithful watchmen upon the walls of Zion; for they are blind to the work that ought to be done, and do not give the trumpet a certain sound. {2SM 56.2}

The baptism of the Holy Ghost as on the day of Pentecost will lead to a revival of true religion and to the performance of many wonderful works. Heavenly intelligences will come among us, and men will speak as they are moved upon by the Holy Spirit of God. But should the Lord work upon men as He did on and after the day of Pentecost, many who now claim to believe the truth would know so very little of the operation of the Holy Spirit that they would cry, "Beware of fanaticism." They would say of those who were filled with the Spirit, "These men are full of new wine." {2SM 57.1}

The time is not far off now when men will want a much closer relation to Christ, a much closer union with His Holy Spirit, than ever they have had, or will have, unless they give up their will and their way, and submit to God's will and God's way. The great sin of those who profess to be Christians is that they do not open the heart to receive the Holy Spirit. When souls long after Christ, and seek to become one with Him, then those who are content with the form of godliness, exclaim "Be careful, do not go to extremes." When the angels of heaven come among us, and work through human agents, there will be solid, substantial conversions, after the order of the conversions after the day of Pentecost. {2SM 57.2}

Now brethren, be careful and do not go into or try to create human excitement. But while we should be careful not to go into human excitement, we should not be among those who will raise inquiries and cherish doubts in reference to the work of the Spirit of God; for there will be those who will question and criticize when the Spirit of God takes possession of men and women, because their own hearts are not moved, but are cold and unimpressible. --Letter 27, 1894.

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[BobRyan]

On the day of Pentecost you had many individual's receive the Holy Spirit's 1Cor12 - gifts.

Quote:

But should the Lord work upon men as He did on and after the day of Pentecost, many who now claim to believe the truth would know so very little of the operation of the Holy Spirit that they would cry, "Beware of fanaticism." They would say of those who were filled with the Spirit, "These men are full of new wine." {2SM 57.1}

Paul said - "desire earnestly spiritual gifts but especially that you may prophesy" 1Cor 14:1

then in 1Cor 14 Paul goes on to say "each one has a revelation" showing that they did indeed have that gift even though these people in Corinth were not present on the day of Pentecost.

Ellen White is an example of someone with that gift of prohecy.

She also publishes the inspired dreams of Loughborough and Mattesson in 1T 590-604 but first introduces the subject on 1T569 saying that inspired dreams are just as much the fruit of the Spirit of Prophecy as visions.

All pretty interesting really -

in Christ,

Bob

[Dr. Rich]

Hey Bob, if you would like to see a picture of what happened on the day of Penticost, do a search on Benny Hinn on utube. Either John was correct in John 20:22 or Luke's account was correct in Acts 2. What other choice do we have?

[Nan]

Hey Bob, if you would like to see a picture of what happened on the day of Penticost, do a search on Benny Hinn on utube. Either John was correct in John 20:22 or Luke's account was correct in Acts 2. What other choice do we have?

Why are those verses mutually exclusive?

While I have not done a search for videos of Benny Hinn now, I do not recall that his listeners can understand what he says in a variety of languages.

What happened on the day of Pentecost seems as much a gift of hearing in the listeners as of the gift of tongues in the speakers.

To whom do you think that those who mocked, in Acts 2:13, were referring? To the listeners or to the disciples? I do not find that clear from the text.

[BobRyan]

It is sad that some people don't know the difference between Benny Hinn false doctrines and the actual Bible. But there again - is a case where Rich wants to divert this topic to his ideas on rejecting the Bible.

I suggest we stay on topic instead.

in Christ,

Bob

[LifeHiscost]

How would you feel if we as Europeans began to comment on your immigration policies, etc. etc.

That's what America is all about. Here you're free to give your opinion about what might be helpful, no matter how insignificant or ludicrous the idea might be.

OTOH, the powers that be are taking those freedoms away as fast as they can, without actually intending on fomenting civil insurrection. The leaders that are now in power, American and non-American, are more than happy to take America to places most Americans are unwilling to go. I can think of two prime examples from other countries. Iran and North Korea.

We are safe so far, only because God has mercifully included a gift of the Holy Spirit, faith, among Americans for each other. Which gift is rapidly disappearing, another sign of the end of all things.

Regards!

[LifeHiscost]

For a clearer view of end times.... World Review Article

Thanks for that. I sent it to a number of the people I love.

God bless!

[LifeHiscost]

we should seek to put things in such a way that the detractors of the church cannot easily tear them apart or poke fun at them.

[LifeHiscost]

Originally Posted By: Redwood

Have you read the April Review p. 16 as CoA suggested?

However, most of our members in the NAD are still not ready for the powerful satanic forces that will be brought to bear on us in the last days.

I have a tendency to agree with you. However my conclusion is based on more than that for which most of our members might be ready.

"“Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom. Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish. Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them, but the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. But while the bridegroom was delayed, they all slumbered and slept.

“And at midnight a cry was heard: ‘Behold, the bridegroom is coming;go out to meet him!’ Then all those virgins arose and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said to the wise, ‘Give us some of your oil, for our lamps are going out.’ But the wise answered, saying, ‘No, lest there should not be enough for us and you; but go rather to those who sell, and buy for yourselves.’ And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came, and those who were ready went in with him to the wedding; and the door was shut.

“Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, ‘Lord, Lord, open to us!’ But he answered and said, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.’

“Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming." Matt 25 NKJV

Blessings!

[LifeHiscost]

Here we are 30 some years later and we do have an African American president. But having said that, do I think that we should go overboard?

pk

The problem here is that whenever dangerous spiritual events are occurring, those who stick close to the truth are perceived as going overboard. Probably praying for Jesus to give us the gift of discernment would be a good option.

"If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it will be given to him."James 1:5 NKJV

Blessings!

[LifeHiscost]

This is a battle of faith. We need to do all we can to increase our faith not our food.

Very good advice. If I succeed in gathering much food but have no faith, I am certain there is someplace in the Spirit of Prophecy that it will be forcibly taken by others interested only in their own wellbeing.

Blessings!

[BobRyan]

Good points. The idea that Jeremiah and Isaiah were "not sent to Israel until Israel was eager and ready to listen to a true prophet of God" can not be supported from Scripture.

The same goes for Noah. Essentially it turns out that NOBODY was ready to listen to him. Yet God sent him anyway.

There is no "only go to people ready for a prophet" doctrine in scripture.

in Christ,

Bob

[LifeHiscost]

Interesting story - but I prefer the Bible on this point.

Including the Amos 3:7 part of the Bible?

"Surely the Lord does nothing but He reveals His secrets to His servants the prophets".

Including the Prov 29 part of the Bible?

"Where there is no vision the people perish"

Including the 1Cor 14:1 part of the Bible?

"Desire earnestly spiritual gifts but especially that you may prophesy"

Including the 1Thess 5:19-20 part of the Bible?

"Do not quench the Spirit. Do not despise prophetic messages"

Including the Matt 23 part of the Bible?

"I will send you prophets".

in Christ,

Bob

TU TU

")And they, whether they will hear, or whether they will forbear, (for they are a rebellious house,) yet shall know that there hath been a prophet among them."Ezekiel 2:5 KJV

Blessings!

[LifeHiscost]

Originally Posted By: Redwood

He has talent on loan from GOD.

Wonder what it would take for him to use it?

[LifeHiscost]

Quote:

Quote:jasd

Indeed, He is capable – but He allows for your discernment and initiative to direct your activities; such as, though “resting in His capabilities”, that action directed to either forestall or ameliorate evil – if not for ourselves, than surely others. [ed.jasd]

>>When I read the Word in prayer and supplication, the cross seems so much lighter than when others tell me what my duty is to God, others, and myself. How about you?<<

I cannot find an imperative in my above quote.

I think the point that I had in mind was how dependence upon God makes our effort one of His actions in the life of the believer, an enjoyable experience, as opposed to being a burden of our own or someone else's effort to gain eternal life.

Case in point would be how Adam and Eve were occupied with pleasurable work re: tending the garden before the fall into sin. After the fall when they worked the ground, it was no longer considered to be a pleasurable experience, gifted from God, but was then considered to be a curse worked out by man by the sweat of their brow.

This would, necessarily then, see discernment and initiative as gifts from God, exercised with pleasure and motivated by the Holy Spirit in those who believe.

This condition, when accepted, would help prevent what is almost overwhelmingly prevalent in the society of man today.

"The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?" Jer 17:9 KJV

Blessings!

[LifeHiscost]

Originally Posted By: Planey

We have had a lot of Scripture quoted at us which purports to show why we should unquestioningly accept anyone

(Just wanting to insert some factual history about this thread after that statement above).

in Christ,

Bob

The word "blindly" and also "unquestioningly" I don't believe was ever used in any of these post in this thread re: following any man or their pronouncements. And those who might have that tendency would do well to accept this from the Word.

"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Matthew 24:24 KJV Emphasis mine LHC

Seeming to infer it isn't possible for the very elect to be deceived. Makes one seek to ask Jesus to insure one is numbered among the very elect.

Blessings!

[LifeHiscost]

I posted that since it is somewhat predictable that when some line of reason fails -- fiction is brought in and then loudly applauded as a good substitute for factual argument.

Hence my point above that there was in fact NO post here that ever argued in favor of "accept anyone without question".

But you have to admit that a straw man like pretending that someone posted in favor of "accept anyone without question" is much easier to oppose than the actual discussion being had here.

in Christ,

Bob

[LifeHiscost]

Hey ... is this a "I give you one Ellen White quote" and "You give me five more". Kinda like a gottcha?

Sorry. I ain't goin' ta play that game.

Not now. I'm tired of playing games.

[Woody]

Originally Posted By: Stan Jensen

Wonder what it would take for him to use it?

I resent this debunking of what I have said about a fellow human being and Christian.

[Daryl]

any further updates or revelation regarding this dream, Obama, and the Pope?

[BobRyan]

I think Darnall is no longer living so not sure how we could have more news.

Having said that -- here is something I came upon a couple of days ago.

Seems kind of odd.

Does anyone know anything about Lyndon LaRouche? He seems to place a lot of emphasis on the current president and the end of the world - from a purely secular political and economic analyst POV.

The reason I listened for this for more than 5 minutes is that he makes a connection between England and the US going all the way back to the civil war in America in a way not totally unlike statements Ellen White made at the time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1yIWOiDMZw&feature=related

in Christ,

Bob

[Windsor]

Without checking the date on the posts I was curious as to where all the new posters came from. Then I saw how old the topic was so indeed a great many posters have left CA. With so many ppl who apparently can confirm this dream was spoken of in the 80s, you would think at least one of them could post here.

[Daryl]

Here is an interesting link as time soon runs out for Obama to act:

http://www.godslastwarning.com/obama-returns-to-office/

[Daryl]

Here's another one:

 

http://www.seventh-day.org/obama.htm